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Old 2014-09-16, 19:12   Link #981
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Nasu's interpretation of the routes I think was:
Fate: pursuing the ideal
UBW: Being confronted with the consequences of an ideal
HF: Trying to put an ideal into practice
Just like I said:

Fate: pursuing the ideal ( To protect and serve )
UBW: Being confronted with the consequences of an ideal ( what does protecting and serving means? )
HF: Trying to put an ideal into practice ( ditch that, what I like is the more important than others. In short - he failed, hard ).

In the end, it all resolves about the ideals - not characters.

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"Nasu: The main theme is "conquering oneself." There are three story lines in Fate, each has a different themes. The first one is the "oneself as an ideal." The second one is "struggling with oneself as an ideal." The third one is "the friction with real and ideal."

This game is describing the growth of the main character Emiya Shirou. The first storyline shows his slanted mind, the next storyline shows his resolve, and the last storyline gives another resolution for him as a human. All three storylines are essentially equal, but they have different forms."
Exactly this, conquering yourself means trying to balance the reality of life and what you want to change in it for the better ( ideals ). As Nasu pointed, they are all essentially equal but also different. In the end, all 3 lead to same conclusion - no matter what you choose you will always have consequences of some sort.

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This is a terrible and obviously-biased interpretation of HF. It is not simply "what I like is more important", it's "I'll protect those I care for first and foremost". Which is normal human behaviour, and perfectly reasonable. It also does not imply in any way ditching the wish to protect others, it just means protecting everyone (and, particularly, those you care for) and not just the majority.
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That is why I said I am most sorry of Sakura, she has been given the worst screen-time and worst possible story ( in my opinion ). I am glad they at least gave her a movie in the end to compensate a little for what they did to her in 'Fate' franchise.

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Old 2014-09-16, 20:17   Link #982
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This isn't really the right thread to be going that deeply into HF as it borders on spoilerish and this isn't the game or movie thread.
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Old 2014-09-17, 11:49   Link #983
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Fate - To protect and serve.
UBW - what does protecting and serving means?
Haven's Feel - ditch that, what I like is the more important than others.

It's best to read entire novel yourself and reach your own conclusion, rather than people telling you what is good and bad in it.
Thanks. I will, that's why opinions are fun Xp
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Old 2014-09-19, 06:38   Link #984
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Following, and ignoring the thing about HF, this everyone with brains should say that UBW is the best, right? An ideal being asked and not being followed without know a shit.
No, because his comment is obviously and stupidly biased to begin with.

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Sorry to Sakura fans but I don't think they have the best material to boast about favourite heroine, even if I like her, a completely opposite thing happens the route itself even if it's unfair to compare the "introductory" route to the last one. And I've never seen and HF fan who isn't a completely obsessed idiot to call the other routes "bad".
Well, yes, if you define "HF fan who isn't a completely obsessed idiot" to be "someone who doesn't call the other routes bad" as you seem to be, then obviously no-one is going to fit that....

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Thanks. I will, that's why opinions are fun Xp
I love how he said that immediately after giving an obviously derogatory and negative "summary" of HF....
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Old 2014-09-24, 01:17   Link #985
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Just like I said:

Fate: pursuing the ideal ( To protect and serve )
UBW: Being confronted with the consequences of an ideal ( what does protecting and serving means? )
HF: Trying to put an ideal into practice ( ditch that, what I like is the more important than others. In short - he failed, hard ).
There's a scene in Fate/Stay Night VN where Archer confronts Saber and Shirou and leaves this question lingering: are you fighting to protect ideals or people? Because protecting an ideal ideals doesn't mean actually saving people. Of course, the wording isn't exact but you get the gist.

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Old 2014-09-24, 08:09   Link #986
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I think Shirou is always fighting to protect people first and foremost.

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Old 2014-09-24, 12:43   Link #987
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I think Shirou is always fighting to protect people first and foremost.

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Old 2014-09-24, 14:09   Link #988
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Old 2014-10-02, 08:05   Link #989
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I think you guys should continue this in the Game tread...
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Old 2014-10-02, 10:19   Link #990
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I think you should know that the last post before yours is one week old.
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