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[SirCanealot]

Originally Posted by Sergejack

I'll encode it too, so we could compare on a fair basis.
Or choose any video I can easilly get too.

There's no "fair" basic, though; as has been indicated in this topic. All the codecs respond differently to different material. If you'd like to pull a random raw off bittorent or Winny, who's to say XVid OR VP6 won't find itself randomly advantaged?
And I'm NOT encoded any re-encoded already Naruto rubbish...

I dunno where I read that... I think it came from Avery Lee.
Apparentrly VBR was supported by the players because of a bug of some sort.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...t=VBR+MP3+.AVI

I think this sums up my feelings for VBR in .avi.
Remember, encoders! Turn off B-Frames when encoding and using .avi - it's a hack!
And yes, since Avery Lee is the god of encoding

[/quote]Try VBR audio in virtualDub, you'r good for screwing even if you use mkv. [/quote]

http://www.williams1.homechoice.co.uk/VBRArgh.jpg
You're mistaken, heh. Read the small print ^^

[Sergejack]

Originally Posted by SirCanealot

There's no "fair" basic, though; as has been indicated in this topic. All the codecs respond differently to different material. If you'd like to pull a random raw off bittorent or Winny, who's to say XVid OR VP6 won't find itself randomly advantaged?
And I'm NOT encoded any re-encoded already Naruto rubbish...

You said you could do better than VP6 for that video I told about.
Pick any source you want and tell me about it, we'll encode it and we'll compare the results.


BTW : I ran into some problems using VBR and MKV, maybe that's not quite explaining why you shoul avoir VBR, but maybe you don't want to run into problems neither.

Even winamp get difficulties with some (every?) VBR.

[SirCanealot]

I've never had any problems playing back ANY forms (which wasn't corrupt in any way) with Winamp.
If you've got problems with VBR audio, they're purely your fault. Sorry to put it like that, but it's true :/
And, we can do LoveLove if you want.
It's only 15 minutes long, so it's a shorter test, haha.
I've got the raw for the first epiosde sitting around still.

[cagz]

Encoding test hey
This could be fun, why not have anyone who wants to particpate do so and let them choose there own output format.
Set a target size too.
I'm interested in seeing how well I and other people can get things looking.
Also it be would a pretty decent comparison, since we are all here for improving quality

[NinjaServ]

awsome, I wanna participate too >:F!!! Dibs on .WMV!!! (LOL)

[SirCanealot]

Well, I just wanted to prove that XVid can pack down just as well as VP6, or other codecs, in the right hands.
As I've said, a proper comparison is difficult - more encoder versus encoder than codec versus codec.

[NinjaServ]

Originally Posted by SirCanealot

Well, I just wanted to prove that XVid can pack down just as well as VP6, or other codecs, in the right hands.
As I've said, a proper comparison is difficult - more encoder versus encoder than codec versus codec.

You realize I was joking right....-_-;;;

[Sakaki-]

I was thinking of beating you guys up with divx 3.11

[Sergejack]

Originally Posted by SirCanealot

Well, I just wanted to prove that XVid can pack down just as well as VP6, or other codecs, in the right hands.
As I've said, a proper comparison is difficult - more encoder versus encoder than codec versus codec.

Let's do it It will brought wisdome at least to one of us.

Tell me where to get the raw.

[cagz]

lol sakaki- CHALLENGE!
Sircanealot as for encoder vs encoder... meh it's just a bit of fun I wouln't put any stock in it =)
But um anyone find some raw material worthy of competition yet?

[NinjaServ]

For codec testing, VOBs are the best.

For a CHALLENGE between encoders, something straight from analog TV would be the most challenging, but it might be out Mr. Canealot's league there....that takes SKILL to handle....

...then again most fansub encoders take advantage of some poor japanese guy's hard work on an analog TV raw, then claim they are great by cleaning up secondary noise after all the REAL noise and challenge in the video has already been completed...

[SirCanealot]

Originally Posted by Sakaki-

I was thinking of beating you guys up with divx 3.11

I know those DivX3 pr0n vids I still have are still the shit
Did you encode any of them!!?!?1/???/1/?

For a CHALLENGE between encoders, something straight from analog TV would be the most challenging, but it might be out Mr. Canealot's league there....that takes SKILL to handle....

...then again most fansub encoders take advantage of some poor japanese guy's hard work on an analog TV raw, then claim they are great by cleaning up secondary noise after all the REAL noise and challenge in the video has already been completed...

Provide me with such a raw, and I'll see what I can do.
And it's not my fault those poor Japanese guys handle shitty codecs, and therefore their raws block to high-hell, even at large filesizes, including all DVD rips I've seen. One wonders if they use any filters at all at times.

Anyway, as I'm just proving XVid will pack down as much as VP6; I don't think there's any point.
Just use the latest Naruto raw from l33t-raws. I'll grab it later...

What res? 384x288/mkv, like that Naruto sample?

[Sergejack]

Originally Posted by SirCanealot

I know those DivX3 pr0n vids I still have are still the shit
Did you encode any of them!!?!?1/???/1/?



Provide me with such a raw, and I'll see what I can do.
And it's not my fault those poor Japanese guys handle shitty codecs, and therefore their raws block to high-hell, even at large filesizes, including all DVD rips I've seen. One wonders if they use any filters at all at times.

Anyway, as I'm just proving XVid will pack down as much as VP6; I don't think there's any point.
Just use the latest Naruto raw from l33t-raws. I'll grab it later...

What res? 384x288/mkv, like that Naruto sample?

Hum I would preffer avoiding Bittorent and furthermore Naruto>~100 are just crap for me.

Pick anything that we can get from a XDCC quite fast.

Otherwise 35mo, and OGG 64KB/s will be my choice for the audio.

[NinjaServ]

Originally Posted by SirCanealot

And it's not my fault those poor Japanese guys handle shitty codecs, and therefore their raws block to high-hell, even at large filesizes, including all DVD rips I've seen. One wonders if they use any filters at all at times.

DVD rippers in Japan are just like DVD rippers in the US, some know what they are doing and some DON'T....apparently you haven't seen many DVD rips....I saw MANY REALLY GOOD quality DVD rips when I used to fansub.

As for the other part of what you said, not all TV Rips block to high hell, again, how many TV Rips have you seen? Do you get ALL your raws from l33t-raws or something? You need to get on winny and SEARCH or something, else your eyes must encode what you see in RM before sending it to your brain....

If ya wanna try workin' with a TV Rip I'll hook ya up with a sample of what I have to work with at my college when I do my TV Rips.

[SirCanealot]

Well, I ain't seen any good DVD rips from Japan. If it's the same ratio as good English DVD rips, there's 1 good rip for every 1000 bad ones, haha.
Oh well.
And I've seen several dozen TV raws. I think there's like... maybe 2 of them didn't have what I'd call "too much blocking".
I ain't a raw provider. I just work with what I'm given.

And you COULD hook me up with that, but is it anime? I suck with live-action royally.
Heh, if it is, I could record and give YOU some captured analogue TV from this area. My area must be taxi land. Analogue TV has never looked so shit...
Let's see how has the shitter TV!!!!!

Pick anything that we can get from a XDCC quite fast.

Too much effort, zzzzz.

[NinjaServ]

Originally Posted by SirCanealot

Heh, if it is, I could record and give YOU some captured analogue TV from this area. My area must be taxi land. Analogue TV has never looked so shit...
Let's see how has the shitter TV!!!!!

Mine probably, my college decided to homebrew their OWN cable from satalite...so somtimes it's fuzzy AND blocky....the thing I had in mind was Sealab (only cap I still have from college, the rest I have already encoded for storage....)

[Sergejack]

Anyway, experts'test show that VP6 is better than XVID.
Now about anime, the deal is quite simple :

A stupid encoder could do shit with any source and, of course, shit won't be undone by VP6.
The same thing goes for XVID.
Now, if any encoder use the same source with the same filters, he would find out that VP6 rendering match more to the source than XVID.

VP6 is better than XVID.
It's sure not every encoders using VP6 are better than you are for preparing the source.
Even if the only rigth thing to do is to remove the noise.

BTW : if you use edge smoothing and such crap : you'r a bad encoder who screw the source and blur the overall quality of the raw.

Encoders : Don't change the source ! (noise isn't part from the source)

[Mr_Khyron]

Originally Posted by Sergejack

Anyway, experts'test show that VP6 is better than XVID.

Do you have any test /link to back up that statment?

[NinjaServ]

Originally Posted by Sergejack

Anyway, experts'test show that VP6 is better than XVID.

Apparently you didn't read ALL of those tests...they proved VP6 was better for movies and such, BUT for CARTOONS XviD was better than VP6.

Originally Posted by Sakaki-

I was thinking of beating you guys up with divx 3.11

No offense, but even a CRAPPY encoder can top the most TALENTED encoder's DivX 3.11 encodes with a newer codec (not including DivX 5), simple because of the MANY flaws in the codec...

[Sergejack]

Originally Posted by NinjaServ

Apparently you didn't read ALL of those tests...they proved VP6 was better for movies and such, BUT for CARTOONS XviD was better than VP6.

Yet again you mistake Codec result and Filter usage.
If XVID has a preprocessing that can be done with a filter, it has no more matter in telling wich codec is better.