Nintendo DS or Sony PSP?

[iKumdo]

Originally Posted by arias

"Wrongly", my friend.

Touche

If you thought I was getting out, then you are being quite funny indeed ; ) But I'll leave it at that. As for my usage of english, I don't see how errors now and then tarnish my overall precision and analytical assessments. Are you so desperate to bring me down that you have to harp on a mistake? Of course, I hardly think you have a command of english that exceeds mine. Where are you from? Asia? Singapore? We can compare our grades throughout standardized tests.

Singapore? Where in the hell did you get that idea?

No, main franchise series are not coming to the Wii because of computational reasons. The Wii is a 750Mhz, 88mb RAM machine, while the PS3 and the X360 are both ~3GHz, 512mb RAM machines. Square and Nintendo retain their business relationships.. hold on. Your whole paragraph makes no sense in its second half. I don't understand what point you're trying to make, and I'm not even remotely mocking you. That was a very poorly written paragraph.

Originally Posted by ikumdo

They want the most power

I think we already had that understanding.
As for Square and Nintendo's relationship. They're just building it back up now. They Crystal Chronicles was made with strict guidelines from Nintendo and therefore restricted. You have poor reading skills. The people making big franchises want the most power and reach a larger audience. Many people think that only kids will buy the wii, and therefore, no reason to make M rated games for it.

The scarcity of the DS lite is by no means a firm indicator of its selling well -- after all, the X360 was INCREDIBLY scarce in the first month of its release. The shortage was in its supply, and not really because of a supremely overwhelming demand. I don't see how you're sufficiently backing up your argument with quoted statistics on the initial quantity of shipment of DS lites, and comparing them to initial batch shipments of the other console handhelds. Of course, that's alot of work, but then DON'T use the argument if you can't manage it, or convert it to a more suggestive, probable form.

You missed my point COMPLETELY on this one. I'm saying that there is very little DS available, but it is still outselling the PSP at the current moment. You can post all the statistics you want, but it'll always tell you that the DS is selling more units than the PSP everywhere in the world. Shipment is not an issue, the PSP and the original DS is very easy to obtain.

Vague assertions like "outselling" are the common everyday knowledge. You have no idea as to how the markets are specifically faring on both the American and Japanese markets. I have posted many messages regarding the detailed sales histories of both handhelds especially in Japan, but of course, I am SURE that you have no such knowledge.

I won't lie and say I know the exact figures of the sales, but tell me if I'm wrong. The DS is selling more, and is much more lucrative. There is no need to point out numbers in something obvious.

It might be embarassing to admit that you are ignorant on the specifics of the subject, and I expect more honour and valor from someone who has a Kendo signature image. Surely you are still a child.

This is the type of posts that makes you look incredibly moronic. Up until this part, you could've come off as someone who has some intelligence, but this line right here kills everything for you. Honor and valor? What the hell? I'm a child because I don't have statistical information to back up my Kendo signature image? Your logic constantly baffles me.

I have already noted the massive computational differences of the PS3/X360 and the Wii. Sony targeting to "rich people only" is a lame effort at analysing strategy. This is their pricing for their initial shipment batch; and there is a reason why its costly -- Blu-Ray. If you check prices for Blu-Ray players from Toshiba, one of their cheapest upcoming models costs US$499. And we are talking about a PLAYER only. Fitting that into the PS3 and still costing $499/$599 is a feat.

Learn tone, my "rich people only" comment was sarcastic. It is not in anyway, an analysis of their strategy. I know WHY the ps3 is so expensive, but that reason will not be any nicer on my wallet. Many consumers don't have the money to buy a ps3 for games. It doesn't matter who they're targeting with the PS3, they're only going to hit the richer people initially. If they drop the price of their "real" version to $300, many more will sell. With that money, you can feed a family of four for two months.

You are mistaken to think that "rich people only" is a strategy of any sort.

I would be mistaken to think that, but I don't think that's Sony's strategy.

Consumer demand upon its first release will be at a frenzy; and probably virtually all of the initial shipment units will be snapped up; and I won't be suprised if I see PS3s going on Ebay for thousands of dollars. Once Sony achieves stability in the initial installment of a consumer base and continue refining their production technology (minimizing the proportion of defects produced in their factories; of which now remains quite high because Blu-Ray and Cell are such cutting edge technologies), the price of the PS3 will drop.

The Ebay thing is the only reason for anyone to buy a PS3 in the first three quarters. Sony is well known for producing defect product with very little customer support. I won't argue with the drop of the PS3's price and an increase of consumer purchase. You probably shouldn't argue that the Wii will most likely drop their price near the sametime. I might not think like most people, but I think many people will be attracted by that cheap price.

Sony might have one strategy with their uberprice. In a sociology study by some university, they found that people who know nothing about a certain type of product will always buy the more expensive one.

Of course, this means you are completely wrong about "target audience", because you take your cue completely from the pricing of the PS3 console. I have talked about this at length in a PM with Urzu, so I'll cut and paste.

I'll guarantee that both Sony and Microsoft will have to fight the Wii for their "target audience." Nintendo is aiming at as much gamers as they can. It might not have GT, GTA, FF, or MGS, but Nintendo has their own franchises that sell very well. I have mentioned that Zelda TP has been the most anticipated sequel ever since it was announced. It beat KH2, FF12, and other big franchise games. The core gamers today grew up with Nintendo, that is why you can see that both Zelda and Metroid is getting more mature. I'm not sure about this, but didn't the new Zelda and Metroid get T rating? Super Smash Bros. Melee did. It'll appeal to those who want it. For example, I have hated MGS, GT, GTA and have never played RE or DMC (I love the FFs though). I've known several die hard FF fans blow up in anger when people say "FF7 is better than Zelda OoT."

That should be enough analysis. I hardly believe anyone can fail to see sense in it.

There is sense in it. My problem with you initially was the way you insult Nintendo supporters (while ignoring people like Lumir who are blinded by SOny logos). They have presented to you with reasons and facts to why the Nintendo systems rock, but your response generally come off as "No, Nintendard. My opinion matter more."

If you think I am a pure Sony supporter, then of course you are projecting your hatred onto me because we are in a flame war right now. You continually fail to see that I am relatively impartial, and my brutal flaming is dispensed to those who exaggerate -- the fanboy population. In fact, I am pretty sure that my entire posting history; where I have flamed a number of times, all have this streak of intensely flaming what I see are extreme retards. I'm not implying that Urzu is a retard, but his posts got magically more neutral after my three days of inferno.

I don't think you are a Sony supporter or a Nintendo supporter. You're merely an ass. People have their opinions about the Nintendo, but you always respond with how they're "Nintendards."
Flame war? I'm not in a flame war. This isn't flaming, it's not even a hot bath.

The simulation games and such that Nintendo produces for the DS lite are not aimed at the traditional gaming population -- it expands to FAR beyond that. To the casual person; to the casual gamer. Nintendogs and other simulation games on the DS that have been selling incredibly well are a sign of Japan's long history of preoccupation with simulation games. See Tamagotchi, Digimon, or even friggin' Seaman for the Dreamcast. I think there might be a statistic somewhere that shows that Nintendogs pulled in many many female buyers, which is a PRIME indication of market expansion. I don't think traditional "hardcore" gamers that own the DS were actually influential contributors to the high sales of the Nintendogs.

Many middle-aged women I believe.
This is how Nintendo will come out on top. They'll reach out to many people and making gaming truly a mass media instead of a nerd passtime.

As for the massive outpours of accusations of stupidity against Sony.. I still don't see why you think popular opinion carries with it much weight. First you say that many people call me a jerk, and boo hoo, and then flame me weakly (and think you're great).

Again, not even flames. Did me calling you a moron couple times hurt you? Popular opinion is important, because the populous buys the system.

And now you tell me that many people are saying that Sony sucks, and you think it must mean something.. well, George Bush got voted into the Presidency, two-three thousand years ago people of China thought they were in the center of the world, and in the 15th century most people in the West thought that the Sun revolved around the world. My point is; alot of people are stupid. And there have always been plenty of haters of Sony out there, faithfully waiting in the shadows for any slip-ups, so they can bite.

Good point! The popular thought was that Bush was a better president (then Kerry, not Gore) and therefore, he got to be president. See? Popular opinion does matter. Popular belief in both China and West allowed their leaders to stay in power also. They may have been stupid, but popular vote/belief got things moving in that direction. Popular Nintendo support will have Nintendo coming out on top. That's why popular opinion matters. You can have the fountain of youth, and if people thought it was crap, no one would buy it.

And I don't think Sony is better than Nintendo. Why level that accusation at me? Again, you should really apologise -- do you not have honour? Or perhaps you put on that Kendo image merely for show. Maybe you think it's "hip", or "cool" to be in Kendo.

ApologiZe? For what? You think that Sony supporters are better people than Nintendo supporters, so it's natrual we link you with the Sony fans. In the posts I've read from you, you haven't said much about Nintendo. Maybe because it has enough supporters, but still, you come off more as a sony fan than anything else.

I don't know what honor (without an U) have anything to do with this. It doesn't fit in at all. You try to use my membership date against me, now you're trying to bash my kendo sig? You have a problem, go see a shrink.

I have, last year, argued for why graphics are incredibly underrated. There is a certain population of gamers who think they're 1337, and so, prize gameplay over graphics without hesitation. But graphics are important. They craft worlds and provide a background for immersion; sure, there is less of an element of imagination in today's gaming, but now YOU get to partake in the imagination of the developers. You see what their vision of Spira, Ivalice, Hyrule are.. If Nintendo didn't see the utility of graphics, they would still be selling on their SNes. If you don't think that the painstaking work they put in into modelling Hyrule and the forests matter in your experience of the game, then I have nothing to say. If not, you need to stop posteuring.

You're right, graphics are important, but not as much as Sony fans like to think it is. The gamecube had more power than PS2, but which was better? PS2! The annoying thing is how every PSP fan think that these graphics are so important that it will be one of the main factors of its dominance over the DS (there is none of course).

I have, in this post, calmly dissected and shown why you have been inadequate in your arguments. I have calmly owned you, and I do not think I need to show more. I flame brutally, and childish comments like "napkin" and "drooling" are part of a flaming repertoire. What do you expect? Stylish, calm beat-downs like this post at every single turn? I partake in my own reality, and I know what I am exerting upon this message board. If you had more wisdom and understanding, then you would not seek to compartmentalize and psychoanalyze me. But of course, you want to justify the negativity you feel towards me. You want to hate. You want to know the person on the other end is a "big moron", is "useless", so all my arguments in their validity become invalid. But you are the one who has lost out here.

You know the amazing thing? There was no argument in the first place until you brought out random market topics. My original bout with you was about the way you're overly heated about Nintendo fan's reaction to the wii and DS. Then I went to talk about the originality of Nintendo, and their previous revolutions in gaming. So what did you own me in? Knowing more market stats? Stylish beatdowns? You must be really happy about this post, because you sound even stupider.

I hardly watch porn on the internet, and while I partake in copyright infringment like most of us on Animesuki do, I have a really well developed view of copyright and also on recompense to the original creators. I am not your regular moronic kid, but hey, I'm not going to convince you.

Cause you can't.

While in my post, I flamed you on specific points, in your post you attempt to generalize and demonize me. Hating the content of my posts are one thing, but saying that people like me are "halting the prosperity of the digital age"

It's satire, it was to make fun of your moronic "YOU TAKE INTERNET TOO SERIOUSLY" comment.

See, I can manage to post calmly as well ; ) I honestly think you are being a child, and I was very open minded in reading your post. You have very poor analytical abilities, or perhaps it was just a very poor post. None of it was convincing, or even remotely persuasive. And that's not me hating --- like I said to Urzu, I don't bear personal feelings over the internet, nor do I presume to know the people behind the avatars. In the end, I must say in all honesty, that you can hardly match my analytical qualities, and your insults are not flames -- they're underhanded.

Match your analytical qualities? Apparently you yourself is the judge. As I have said, none of posts were meant to be flames, because that would be a moronic thing to do. Trying to appear so "tough" over the internet is a sure sign that you're a kid with little power at home. I've stated it before, the only person who thinks you're smart is yourself.

Originally Posted by Lumir

Ok iKumdo
I a moron because i explained to you that i was posting "incredibly stupid" things just to see what reaction i would get. And yet you didnt understand and continued to to take my posts to serious. So yea im the moron but what are you? R-e-t-a-r-d, just like my post that got deleted displayed if you remeber, you do remeber right???

I really don't like talking to you. You said stupid things to see people's reactions? None of your posts had a single sign that it was done by an intelligent being, other than that it used Romanized letters.

About your last statment, people like me? What are you some kind of racist? Would you care to explain how im halting the "great" digital/communication prosperity??? Didnt your post do just that?

I am racists, I don't really like you pigs. The internet was invented for the purpose of communication throughout the world. WHat you're doing is similar to calling people and saying stupid crap to them just for fun, then hanging up. You must think you're funny with your stuff, but in the eyes of many, you're a moron.

Jeez, someone needs to help you develope a new thought process because obviously your current ones is, how should i say, inefficient.

How cliche. I sure hope you turn into a bacon soon.

[Benoit]

iKumdo, aren't you aware of the British spelling of English? Under their rules, "apologise" and "honour" are perfectly acceptable. You'll see more of these " z -> s" and " +u " words in English text.

[arias]

Originally Posted by Benoit

iKumdo, aren't you aware of the British spelling of English? Under their rules, "apologise" and "honour" are perfectly acceptable. You'll see more of these " z -> s" and " +u " words in English text.

Precisely; apologise/apolgize, organization/organisation, defence/defense, honor/honour, color/colour.. are all valid alternate spellings. But hey, he makes fun of only himself.

[Circular Logic]

I like the DS. I think the games are better. Honestly, what's the use in arguing about which console is objectively better. Go do something more productive like watch anime

[durrem]

Wooo!! Just got my DS Lite. Bust-a-Move is way better with a stylus. It's way easier to aim with than on my PS2.



You pull the slingshot back with the stylus and can move the ball back and forth to aim. It is much more intuative that moving the gun left or right. You know, left, no a little bit back, damn to far - a little more to the left, damn... etc.

[iKumdo]

Originally Posted by Benoit

iKumdo, aren't you aware of the British spelling of English? Under their rules, "apologise" and "honour" are perfectly acceptable. You'll see more of these " z -> s" and " +u " words in English text.

I assumed he was American.

Originally Posted by moron

But hey, he makes fun of only himself.

Nice one sentence way to end our debate.

[arias]

Originally Posted by iKumdo

Nice one sentence way to end our debate.

I won't be so underhanded to rename you as moron.

First, it was not a debate -- it was most definitely a flame war, and I am suprised the moderators allowed us to go this far. Second, we are talking past each other and it was never productive. Especially when you confuse the fact that a person being moronic has nothing to with his intelligence. Also, I don't see why only the English or people studying under the British system can use their form of spelling; what is key is communication, not syntactic precision. But of course, you use it to mock others.

I don't understand why you continue to behave so dishonourably, but I don't intend to spend more time in this engagement when nothing productive is coming out of it. And hey, if it means you'll have the last word, and the last mockage, and the last insult, I'll gladly let you have it.

[iKumdo]

Originally Posted by arias

I won't be so underhanded to rename you as moron.

And I won't make fun of your lack of an avatar.

First, it was not a debate -- it was most definitely a flame war, and I am suprised the moderators allowed us to go this far. Second, we are talking past each other and it was never productive. Especially when you confuse the fact that a person being moronic has nothing to with his intelligence. Also, I don't see why only the English or people studying under the British system can use their form of spelling; what is key is communication, not syntactic precision. But of course, you use it to mock others.

So you're American but decided to use the British system? That's not very common. If the key is communication, use it properly. Don't drop flame baits in every thread and wait for someone to start a flame war with. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and searched out your "useful" posts. There was none. 98% of the time you were mocking Nintendo.

I don't understand why you continue to behave so dishonourably, but I don't intend to spend more time in this engagement when nothing productive is coming out of it. And hey, if it means you'll have the last word, and the last mockage, and the last insult, I'll gladly let you have it.

Dishonorable? You sure you're using the word the way you want to?
This is typical of a troll: "I wont say anymore after this. I'm going to just be quiet." Didn't you do this on a different thread? Then posted like 15 messages afterwards? I gave you good reasons why Nintendo kicks ass, and you whimper and hide. There is nothing more to it. As you promised, I certaintly hope that this is the last word, because you're not worth my trouble.

[shikensha]

Originally Posted by Lumir

The way i see it, what dose the DS have that the PSP dosent? Touch Screen, and the other way around? Better graphics/hardware. You could debat games but with the library both have now, i would scratch that.

Also talk about the ps3 being betten by nintendo this generation is as i would say, immature. Since both systems have yet to launch a statement of that kind should be thrown out.

The nintedo fans here do have a point about nintendo's innovation aspect yet sony has and in this generation continues to top that with the future of gamming in power. While nintendo may have more innovative ideas as we all can see sony is not far behind, as the ps3 also includes wii technology. The way i see it nintendo has all these new ways to game ideas, while sony has the futuristic next gen power (graphics/hardware) and new ways to game ideas as well, just less the amount nintendo has.

Back on topic- If you include the ps1 emu scene to the psp you have a lager more complex and can i say graphical game library then the DS. Yes the games are old, yet like i said befor i have yet to meet anyone who has played all the "great" ps1 titles to date. Even myself missed a few RPGs i wished to play, and now i can do it on the go. As well as the comming n64 emu, which we all know had great games as well...

PSP>DS

First, lets be clear I'm not pro Sony or pro Nintendo. I've been looking at both sides before I bought an NDS.

It's true the PSP has greater power but, it still doesn't change the fact the NDS has some fun new ways of playing. The stylus and voice recognition maybe old technology but, I think Nintendo has put it to good use which no one has dared to do in the past in terms of consoles.

It's great that the PSP has so many emulators going for it, including an NDS one but, it won't be able to mimic the playing style of the stylus. Just try playing the games which requires you to be quick with the stylus such as Trauma: Under the Knife or Wario Ware. Hacking the games and using the control pad just doesn't cut it.

Still, it's great to play some PS1 classics or other retro games if you're interested in those (portable FFVII anyone?).

I hear there's going to be a lot of addons for the PSP (which could allow the emulation of the NDS' stylus) but that means spending extra cash on an already expensive console and also, carrying more items around with you should you decide to bring it on your travels.

Having the option of addons is great and all but, for the NDS it's just plug in a game and play.

In the end, it's again, a matter of preference. You might want the PSP for its technology (so that you can run all sorts of homebrew software such as the emulators), its mostly tried-and-true gameplay with beautiful graphics or, you may want the NDS for its new fun ways of playing games.

In Lumir's case, he seems to prefer having the extra option of being able to play a large selection of retro games thanks to the PSP's hardware whereas I, prefer the fun that the current NDS games offer by using the stylus and mic.

Innovation wise, I think both Nintendo and Sony are working to find new ways of playing games. Mainly removing the need of a control pad and increasing the immersive game experience. After all, that's what the rumble feature was added in for; to feel the impact in a game.

However, I think Nintendo is one step ahead now. While Sony has its Eyetoy at present, Nintendo will soon have its Wii console released. Players can really feel as if they're swinging swords, tennis rackets, golf clubs and firing bows inside the game.

Sony could release addons in the future but again, the same question I made earlier appears again. Would people want to pay extra for the experience that the Wii can already give? Choosing between Wii or a PS3 is going to be similar to choosing between an NDS or PSP.

[MB™]

Originally Posted by shikensha

It's great that the PSP has so many emulators going for it, including an NDS one but, it won't be able to mimic the playing style of the stylus. Just try playing the games which requires you to be quick with the stylus such as Trauma: Under the Knife or Wario Ware. Hacking the games and using the

Sorry, but there ain't no NDS emulator for psp available at all.

[Lumir]

iKumdo you have proven yourself to be a judge of forums. No one really cares as much as you do what people have to say and the way they say it. You are, lets say not as intelligent as you should be for trying to judge people on a internet forum. Your posts are flawed simply because of your immature thought process and inability to stay on topic as well as your failing ability to evaluate the real meat of a subject and stick with it.

Also the psp has a mic function as well now. And choosing between a ps3 and a wii will be simple for me. Ill go for the future of gaming with the ps3 rather then the innovative gamming with nintendo. Simply put the ps3 will be able to do all the wii can do and more. It just migh not come with the same abilities.

[Syn13]

PSone emulator!
"Its Ridge Racer. RIIIIDGE RACER!"

[jpwong]

I got a DS, I haven't tried the PSP, but I know some people who have them. I think we're all pretty pleased with what we got. Both systems offer their own features to attract people.

I don't personally see the PS3 as the evolution of gaming. I certainly see it as a jump in console system power, but it looks more like the merging of gaming console with the home entertainment system and PC. I'm not fully aware of the full specs of what the PS3 will be able to do, but a little tweaking and Sony could probably market their full version model as the all in one replacement for your PC and home entertainment system. It's a strategy that could work out favorable for Sony too. People might not shell out that sort of money for a "console system", but might if they see it as a PC/DVD/console all in one type machine.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Originally Posted by Lumir

....Ill go for the future of gaming with the ps3....

Actually the future of gaming is the PC, the PS3 can not even touch them, in terms of software and hardware specs, both which the PS3 seems to be so proud off. I can use the same amount of money needed to buy a PS3 to make my PC a monster, effecticvely a PS6. so please no more baseless comments about this when you, nor the general public has yet to fully explored the PS3 & the Wii.

Originally Posted by Lumir

rather then the innovative gamming with nintendo.

I'm glad you are not the representative of the majority of gamers. Simply put without innovation, you would not see the consoles you love so much.
Without innovation you would not have all these fun games which i assume is what all gamers are about.
If you had said that to the chief designer of the PS3/Wii project I would guarantee you will be hurt, either politely, rudely or physical.
For you to say such a careless remark leaves me abit perplex, as it is antithetical philosophy of the whole "New Product" Marketing/manufacturing money making game which you seem to be so exicted about.

Originally Posted by Lumir

Simply put the ps3 will be able to do all the wii can do and more. It just migh not come with the same abilities.

First of all you have nothing to base this upon. Secondly, to be able to surpass something you must be able mimic that ability in the first place. Since you have just said the PS3 does not have the same ability, therefore it cannot. simple.
If the PS3 can "do and more" then are you suggesting the PS3 is attempting to do some "Innovation"?
The same thing you said you will attempt to avoid? My my what a paradox

Originally Posted by Lumir

Also the psp has a mic function as well now.

It does? And how would that help it?

I do not regret buying a PSP, but i'am frustrated at the lack of FUN from it, it is great for your travelling video and the large range of homebrew applications that actually utilise the full functions of the PSP such as the IR port and Wi-Fi. But that is all i have come to use it for, and not what it was meant to be.
A portable console.
No good games, means no playing,
meaning failure as a portable gaming console.
A mic doe not improve a thing, without the games to support it.

I care not for the numbers you people throw at me, to say which is the most popular, i only care about the fun, the DS has fun written all over it, while the PSP is sadly not.

In the end that is all that matters, and when your attempting to be a multimedia device, you open yourself to the larger fish, i.e. the Ultra light PC, Oragami and the newer touch screen/lighter Laptops, which can do all that the PSP can and have the same portability.

[iKumdo]

Originally Posted by Lumir

iKumdo you have proven yourself to be a judge of forums. No one really cares as much as you do what people have to say and the way they say it. You are, lets say not as intelligent as you should be for trying to judge people on a internet forum. Your posts are flawed simply because of your immature thought process and inability to stay on topic as well as your failing ability to evaluate the real meat of a subject and stick with it.

I give up on trying to teach you anymore. You fail to see logic in anything that goes against your reasoning. Have you noticed how everyone seems to be able to take your posts and find flaws in EVERY word you write? The only people that had any arguments against me are yourself and arias.

Also the psp has a mic function as well now. And choosing between a ps3 and a wii will be simple for me. Ill go for the future of gaming with the ps3 rather then the innovative gamming with nintendo. Simply put the ps3 will be able to do all the wii can do and more. It just migh not come with the same abilities.

I was going to make fun of you again, but it looks like someone already kind of did that.
THe ps3 can do everything wii can and more. What a joke.

[arias]

Originally Posted by Lumir

iKumdo you have proven yourself to be a judge of forums. No one really cares as much as you do what people have to say and the way they say it. You are, lets say not as intelligent as you should be for trying to judge people on a internet forum. Your posts are flawed simply because of your immature thought process and inability to stay on topic as well as your failing ability to evaluate the real meat of a subject and stick with it.

Seriously Lumir, while I don't agree with your points at all, it's not worth arguing about this. Just chill and wander off to other parts of the forums

Dishonorable? You sure you're using the word the way you want to? This is typical of a troll: "I wont say anymore after this. I'm going to just be quiet." Didn't you do this on a different thread? Then posted like 15 messages afterwards? I gave you good reasons why Nintendo kicks ass, and you whimper and hide. There is nothing more to it. As you promised, I certaintly hope that this is the last word, because you're not worth my trouble.

Wow, seriously, I just have to say that if you've been reading my posting history then.. ... oh well.

[shikensha]

Originally Posted by MB™

Sorry, but there ain't no NDS emulator for psp available at all.

Well, just saying what I heard from a PSP buyer

Originally Posted by Onizuka-GTO

Actually the future of gaming is the PC, the PS3 can not even touch them, in terms of software and hardware specs, both which the PS3 seems to be so proud off. I can use the same amount of money needed to buy a PS3 to make my PC a monster, effecticvely a PS6.

I do not regret buying a PSP, but i'am frustrated at the lack of FUN from it, it is great for your travelling video and the large range of homebrew applications that actually utilise the full functions of the PSP such as the IR port and Wi-Fi. But that is all i have come to use it for, and not what it was meant to be.

A portable console.
No good games, means no playing,
meaning failure as a portable gaming console.
A mic doe not improve a thing, without the games to support it.

In the end that is all that matters, and when your attempting to be a multimedia device, you open yourself to the larger fish, i.e. the Ultra light PC, Oragami and the newer touch screen/lighter Laptops, which can do all that the PSP can and have the same portability.

I can agree to that. The PC is leagues more powerful than the PS3 or any of the new consoles with its 64-Bit Dual Core GHz processors and SLI configuration graphics cards. If you really want to be able to do everything then, a powerful laptop would be a better investment in my opinion. With the weight and size of the laptops these days, you're not losing much in terms of "portable gaming".

What the PC does lack however, is the simplicity of "plug-and-play" (in terms of games) and also Eastern game developers. But if you can get homebrewn software working on a PSP then, none of these will be a problem since you'll be able to run emulators to play all those Eastern, Japanese games.

I just wish there were more Japanese developers such as Falcom creating games for the PC. There's a few good Asian companies that make good Japanese influenced games but they still have a bit to go.

Originally Posted by Lumir

Also the psp has a mic function as well now. And choosing between a ps3 and a wii will be simple for me. Ill go for the future of gaming with the ps3 rather then the innovative gamming with nintendo. Simply put the ps3 will be able to do all the wii can do and more. It just migh not come with the same abilities.

Yes, since the PSP has Talkman after all but, I don't think any other games support the mic.

And as for picking the PS3 for its technology. That's what you're basically doing here; PSP for its technology or NDS for its innovative fun. Of course, people may also prefer the solid tried-and-true games the PSP has (with the odd original such as Katamari).

Again, Sony could always bring out a host of addons for their PS3/PSP to increase its innovative value but, that means spending more money and more items to manage.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Originally Posted by shikensha

Again, Sony could always bring out a host of addons for their PS3/PSP to increase its innovative value but, that means spending more money and more items to manage.

Which unfortunately, Sony does not have a good track record off.

[AnimePlus]

It's funny to see that a Nintendo DS versus PSP topic came out to be an all out CONSOLE WAR. But you know, it is an interesting topic. Though, you shouldn't get upset about games, in all seriousness.

At any rate, the truth is, regarding DS and PSP, that innovation came out on top over hardware. In Japan the DS outsells PSP by a incredibly large margin. The DS has such a large range of games in Japan it's an easy win. But, there's a problem. The PSP is the fastest selling Sony console ever, why is that? The PSP was reported at E3 to have sold about 8 million units. (DS has sold 10 million presently) The difference is, the PSP sells in the US. US gamers like nice, advanced hardware over innovation. Why does the EyeToy sell like crazy in Europe and Japan yet no one purchases it in the US? Same reason as before. Why is the XBOX successful in the US yet enjoys only 3% of Japanese console market share? What I said before.
Another truth that must be understood that in terms of sheer market share, in order, as far as the console market is this regarding "last gen":
1) Sony Playstation 2 line
2) Microsoft Xbox line
3) Nintendo Gamecube line

Dreamcast 10,600,000 7%
PS2 91,390,000 64%
Xbox 21,900,000 15%
GameCube 18,800,000 13%
Total Sales 142,690,000

This was taken off of http://www.gametunnel.com
You might not believe me but if you look up the numbers you will find that it supports what is posted.

So what does that mean for next-gen? Most analysts are sure that Sony's market share dominance will remain because Xbox is still regarded as a newcomer such as this report by Strategy Analytics' David Mercer:
The report predicts that Sony will sell 121.8 million PS3s worldwide through 2012. Sales of Xbox 360s are expected to reach 58.8 million and of Nintendo's Revolution nearly 18 million. Cumulative retail revenues for all consoles over this period will exceed $47bn.
(Note that this report was made of September of last year)

So, does this mean that the Playstation will come out on top again? Not really. Does it mean that the Nintendo Wii will come out on bottom? Not really. The consumer market is impossible to predict and also note that in the chart posted not one company has remained on 'top' for three years straight. There are rapid shifts and turns. Will the Wii beat PS3 and Xbox 360 like the DS is beating the PSP (innovation vs. hardware) ? That's anyone's guess.

Now, in regards to PC games. Your PC can be as strong as you want, but there are no games for it in all seriousness. I mean, yes there's Oblivion, Half-Life 2, Far Cry and the rest of your First Person Shooters, but really hardly any games come out for it. Why is that?
If you check http://www.gamestats.com and go to "MOST SALES" there will never EVER be a PC game in the top 10. EVER. The TOP 10 presently are:
1) Kingdom Hearts II (PS2)
2) Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter (Xbox 360)
3) The Godfather (Xbox 360)
4) The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (Xbox 360)
5) God of War (PS2)
6) MLB '06: The Show (PS2)
7) Major League Baseball 2K6 (Xbox 360)
8) Major League Baseball 2K6 (PS2)
9) Tourist Trophy: The Real Riding Simulator (PS2)
10) Battlefield 2: Modern Combat (Xbox 360)
I know some of you will disagree with me and say there are TONS of PC games that come out all the time.

Let's take a quick look at the recent PC games that are above average:
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II
Guild Wars: Factions
Also the games that will maybe be above average when released:
Neverwinter Nights 2
Age of Conan - Hyborian Adventures
Elveon
Prey

I think we all understand this but, simply, there just aren't that many PC games. Developers make more money on consoles. Even the Nintendo Wii has more titles scheduled than the PC does. The average consumer will probably find that playing on, say, a Xbox 360 will grant him mostly the same games as PC and even more.


In retrospect, I would like to add a few comments. My personal opinion, though mostly unbased, according to what I have observed is the Xbox 360 and the PS3 selling the most units at a near tie while the Nintendo Wii gathers 1/6th of the remaining marketshare. Why do I say that? Well, looking at each successive generation it is clear that the next gen was defined by graphics. SNES -> Nintendo 64 or Sega Genesis -> Sega Saturn then Playstation -> Playstation 2 or Sega Saturn -> Dreamcast, and now Xbox -> Xbox 360 and Playstation 2 -> Playstation 3. It is clear that history supports advancing graphics over advancing consoles, generally. Out of all three consoles the PS3 and Xbox 360 are making a massive leap in the graphics department. Nintendo's gameplan is innovation, a sales tactic that Sega could have tried with the Dreamcast and tested with the Nintendo DS. The reason why I do not believe the Nintendo Wii will pull ahead is simple, it cannot even be considered nextgen. The system specifications still lie in the previous generation of PS2 and Xbox. This brings up the question, will the Wii be a revolution? Will the Wii redefine gaming by making coming next generations rely on innovation as opposed to the current standard of nextgen graphics? That's the big question, and in my case I believe that this is quite a gamble and as reflected in David Mercer's report it will probably not succeed. It just isn't historically supported and I find it hard to believe that the nextgen will be dominated by simply old graphics. Will I still buy and play a Wii? Sure, I have nothing against Nintendo and I found the games featured at E3 to seem fun and enjoyable.

[Lumir]

Originally Posted by Onizuka-GTO

Actually the future of gaming is the PC, the PS3 can not even touch them, in terms of software and hardware specs, both which the PS3 seems to be so proud off. I can use the same amount of money needed to buy a PS3 to make my PC a monster, effecticvely a PS6. so please no more baseless comments about this when you, nor the general public has yet to fully explored the PS3 & the Wii.



I'm glad you are not the representative of the majority of gamers. Simply put without innovation, you would not see the consoles you love so much.
Without innovation you would not have all these fun games which i assume is what all gamers are about.
If you had said that to the chief designer of the PS3/Wii project I would guarantee you will be hurt, either politely, rudely or physical.
For you to say such a careless remark leaves me abit perplex, as it is antithetical philosophy of the whole "New Product" Marketing/manufacturing money making game which you seem to be so exicted about.



First of all you have nothing to base this upon. Secondly, to be able to surpass something you must be able mimic that ability in the first place. Since you have just said the PS3 does not have the same ability, therefore it cannot. simple.
If the PS3 can "do and more" then are you suggesting the PS3 is attempting to do some "Innovation"?
The same thing you said you will attempt to avoid? My my what a paradox



It does? And how would that help it?

I do not regret buying a PSP, but i'am frustrated at the lack of FUN from it, it is great for your travelling video and the large range of homebrew applications that actually utilise the full functions of the PSP such as the IR port and Wi-Fi. But that is all i have come to use it for, and not what it was meant to be.
A portable console.
No good games, means no playing,
meaning failure as a portable gaming console.
A mic doe not improve a thing, without the games to support it.

I care not for the numbers you people throw at me, to say which is the most popular, i only care about the fun, the DS has fun written all over it, while the PSP is sadly not.

In the end that is all that matters, and when your attempting to be a multimedia device, you open yourself to the larger fish, i.e. the Ultra light PC, Oragami and the newer touch screen/lighter Laptops, which can do all that the PSP can and have the same portability.

Im sorry to say you are dead wrong, and im glad all you stated was just opinion. Anyone who has built a pc from scratch (me) knows that a graphics card alone can cost much more then 600 USD. Combine the processor needed to use that graphics card (usually 500-1k) and the power unit, hard drive and everything else you have about 2k in total. So i dont wanna hear crap like this about being able to buy a pc that has the same specs or better then the ps3 for less then 600 USD. Please come back when you can actually state facts and info regarding building pcs... sigh...

Though you were right about the pcs being the best outta all the counsule systems as the pcs are what makes them, but then why even buy a counsule if you are going to bring that up? Dosent everyone know the pc is the most powerful system out there already??? Dead end idea/statement...

Now you have to ask yourself, If the ps3 dosent come with all the "extra" innovations, like wii and all the rest but was STILL capable of performing these abilities and more then what was your post trying to get at? What is your point? I simply stated the ps3 may not come with as much as the wii but has the CAPABILITY to do all the wii can do and possibly more.

To correct you i will put it in simple terms that a 5yr old can understand. If i have a 500 mhz comp and my friend has a 2ghz comp cant he do as much and more then i can? Do you understand that? Now sub the comps with the nintendo wii and ps3. I am willing to say the ps3 will have more overall power then the wii, therefor giving it the possibility to do all the wii can and maby even more. Do you understand yet???

Your statment on the DS being "more fun" then the PSP is simple opinion. While i like experimenting and creating my own games while being able to play already made games you like being able to play games already made and thats it. To me the more options the better. Yea the psp might lack in the "games" category but there is more then enough games that intrest me to kill time with, i dont know about you but im not a hardcore handheld gammer. So 3 games can keep me occupied for awhile.

Also i only mentioned the mic info because someone stated somthing about the DS having it and the psp not.

You said yourself you dont care about the numbers. Simply put you dont care about some of the facts. So why are you in this topic? This topic is a debate and facts are well apreciated and if you dont care for those facts then why do you even bother to post other then to express your opinion?

Your post presented no facts and was completly made up of pure opinion.


@arias

I could care less if you dont agree with me. In fact i never stated you did agree with me, IN FACT i was agreeing with you. And i also feel no need to chill as i am as equal as you to state my opinions and facts.

@animeplus

Thank you for stating the facts. I hope some peeps can learn somthing from your post. You are 100% correct about the plug and play idea. Also somthing for everyone to think about is, the pc dosent have the support of all the 1s party 2nd party and 3rd party game companies. In fact the way i see it the pc has a game party category of its own with a every now and then port from a consule to the pc.

The thing that pcs have over counsules in the game department is MMORPGs. Yes some counsules have some but not as many offered on the pc. This is going to change as MMOs are taking the world by storm, and counsules like the ps3 will most likely have internet browsing capabilities.