2011-03-29, 19:45 | Link #2022 |
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My dad used to say the instant accountants moved into decision-making points the organization is doomed. I've expanded that to "management school graduates" and "finance people".
They're the ones who think fire needs to be marketed on the B Ark (HHGTTG).
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2011-03-29, 19:48 | Link #2023 | |
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Someone on another forum was planning to go to Tokyo in a few weeks, but his brothers girlfriend sent him this.
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2011-03-29, 19:55 | Link #2024 | |
Obey the Darkly Cute ...
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Of course, it takes actual effort to jump out of the "OMFG WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!@@AFDSADARE (stay tuned thru the next commercial break to see how and who said it) and find useful information. There are a few areas in Japan currently on the not-a-good-idea list ... the actual area near the plant and, more importantly, all the devastated areas who can't deal with tourists right now. But most of the country is doing okay and needs people to keep doing what they were planning on doing. Its going to be darker (many whooo! lights turned off to conserve) and there may be occasional difficulties getting some things. You should drink bottled water when traveling *anyway* because your gut doesn't like to meet new water it isn't familiar with. I'll keep posting this link and this pic to show just how OUT OF PROPORTION uneducated fools are taking this hyperbolic failure of news reporting: http://xkcd.com/radiation/ [/URL] This is about like saying "Don't go to Texas because they had a Hurricane in Houston" .... my tolerance for the media and the people behaving like this is getting remarkably short.
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2011-03-29, 19:58 | Link #2025 | |
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2011-03-29, 20:25 | Link #2026 | ||
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All things considered, I have to agree that BBC had the better coverage from all the foreign media I followed. Though they tried on occasion to ruin it especially in their domestic televised coverage, but their on-line live feed was extremely good. |
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2011-03-29, 20:33 | Link #2027 | |
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The problem with that scenario is that the Japanese government suffers from colossal calcification of its own cogs and wheels.
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2011-03-29, 20:34 | Link #2028 | |
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We aren't suppose to give a shit about how the management does - macroecons teach us that human capital is worth more than financial capital (thanks to inflation, money gets less in the future, but the more experience a worker gets, the more valuable he/she becomes) - most cash flow issues come from mismanagement of human resource and Opsys (operations and systems) - and a major cost of opsys is often safety. Maybe we should start shooting the office politicians and those people who took out operations and systems management from management syllabuses.
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2011-03-29, 20:37 | Link #2029 | |
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I bet alot of people would love to take a stab at this piece.
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Some may want to check this out as well. British blogger creates 'Quakebook' to help disaster victims It is a interesting site. Here is the link to their site. |
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2011-03-29, 20:52 | Link #2030 | |
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2011-03-29, 21:28 | Link #2031 |
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here is the thing.
people instinctively will tune into stations that have up to the minute by minute OMG THE SKY IS FALLING news casts. They do this because the OMG !! THE SKY IS FALLING news feels safer to listen to than the sites that are calm, fact focused and non sensational. I think people like to be scared. OR they prefer to err on the side of caution. That is to say... "I am scared I take things too calm and end up nuked, especially since I know squat about this high end physics stuff" Once you scare en mass people it is hard to calm them down... and takes very long... and then you have to get SUPER STARS, SPORTS PEOPLE and POPULAR MEDIA ICONS and their KIDS to walk around and say its safe. They wont trust Govt officials or scientists that work in the system since apparently ... they re immune :P Either way you take it... the damage is done and TEPCO has not done anything but try to save face... in typical Japanese red tape style. |
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On a related note, why in hell are politicians and managers responsible for decision-making in these situations, they have neither the knowledge nor the experience to handle such issues I can understand good intentions and guilt complex, but they will do more damage than good Quote:
Typical red tape for every nationality/system, let me remember... oh! nuclear tests on humans in the US and USSR during the cold war, wait nationalist governments in Europe; or more recent... BP? Bayer? China? Middle East? Eastern Europe? and that's only for the so called develop-ed/ing world, otherwise your username would not suffice to describe the situation |
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2011-03-29, 22:03 | Link #2033 |
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:/ Anyway, I think a quick Google is enough on the subject of Plutonium. To summarize, differing opinions over if it's a toxicity or radiation problem, but really...the attention is not warranted. There are other actinides for one, and quantity wise the Iodine is more likely to get somebody. However, please remember that ingestion and exposure are very different. And, it is true that nature can mess everything at a moment's notice. SaintessHeart, I hope they teach you too that the most important question is "what do I do when this doesn't work?" Perpetual "criticism" and "negativity" is useful coming out of your geeks... Previously... Shares fall US robots GE's pages Monitor Decay heat The MITNSE site, but decay heat is important. They are trying to balance contamination and cooling at the moment. In the status quo, this is not a problem of weeks, but rather months. Also, even without more sea water, it will take time for the instruments to clear up. The pipes themselves are very robust, it's the valves and misc. items that are critical (and ruined)...sobering thoughts, perhaps... |
2011-03-29, 22:06 | Link #2034 | |
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And that it is usually the politically inclined who are better with people, hence they are able to move their way up much faster than the technically rational (engineers). Worked as PT for around 10 times in office environments, 6 of which are for big MNCs. Probably that is what made me want to be a freelancer.
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2011-03-29, 22:20 | Link #2035 | |
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2011-03-29, 23:49 | Link #2037 |
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Might've been mentioned already, but Valve started a donation pool for the Red Cross using their TF2 store. Unfortunately this isn't without government tax but they've already raised over $300,000! Next time someone tells you gamers don't care...! This has had criticism such as 'they should just donate themselves', but I doubt people in need really care if some guy gets a virtual item for their contribution.
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=5199&p=
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2011-03-30, 02:53 | Link #2038 |
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"...Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano told a news conference that the government and nuclear experts are discussing ''every possibility'' to bring the plant under control and that some measures that have been reported by the media are included in their options.Next, fill the trenches with lime green jello mix to help prevent the radioactive water from absorbing into the soil and ground water. And in eight days later, TEPCO can supply the whip cream. |
2011-03-30, 03:12 | Link #2039 | |
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Do you trust polticians to keep their promises they made in an election campaign? Not to say, that there was the mandra, that nuclear power plants are safe. That they are never disaster fail safe is shown in Fukushima. Yet they claimed what they either did not know better, or deliberately claimed it despite knowing better. In nuclear science too much emphazises is on the technical aspect, very little is known about health consequences in a case of disaster. Thats only natural, because statistically most scientist will say, such an incident occurs every 1,000 - 10,000 years or so. They obviously do not adequately recognize the human factor in their equations (when I read the official results of investigation of hazardous incidents in german nuclear power stations, its like 25% of the incidents were caused by people who override safety mechanisms in order to keep the power plant running or do not fix safety mechanisms in order to keep them running). But whats even worse, there is a biased and hence a marginalizing POV regarding the dangers of the technology. There are potential risks coming from certain radioactive isotopes that go beyond the risk metrics that influence the final value of Sv, but everything is simply broken down into Sv (as if it was possible to deduce actual long term risk estimates from such data alone... the problem is, that this field of science is imo still understudied¹ - for obvious reasons - They do not even care to use man Sv for their risk estimates (which should be used when talking about long time exposure <- an even more debated and understudied field of science)). ¹In a (nuclear) war, the long term cancer risk for troops who are exposed to radiation is pretty much a non issue for the war, so there will be no funding from that side to support research that deals with long term risk analysis of radiation. There is certainly not much interest from government institutions and no interest in such research in the nuclear industry... nuclear power generation is just a too precious asset...). So, at the moment, nobody can give factual risk estimates, because there is not enough research going on in this field of science. This makes a best case estimate (usually made by the same people who benefit in one way or another from nuclear energy) equal to deciding that a certain amount of people are expendable for the merits of nuclear generated electricity. For example take the table that was posted (again) by Vexx, there the maximum yearly dosis for US radiation workers is shown. Now most people will think, when they look at this chart, that such a dosis must be safe then. Actually if the US radiation worker was exposed to this radiation over 35 years of his/her life, the cancer risk would raise about 7%. 7%, thats 70 out of 1,000 (or 70,000 out of 1,000,000) people get cancer because of radiation. This puts the idea, that this bears almost no risk into perspective I think. The fact that there is not a 7% raised ratio of cancer for US radiation workers is because they are not exposed each year to the maximum dose. So, actually this chart is telling people what they want to read from it... but without some background knowledge it won't help the average joe to estimate a long term risk.
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2011-03-30, 07:11 | Link #2040 |
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Safety
Note how the specifications of 1 in 10,000 years or 1 in 100,000 years etc. are for a single reactor core. Spoiler for Personal opinion/rant :|:
Guess nobody thought it could happen... Last edited by NameGoesHere; 2011-03-30 at 07:32. |
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