Tate no Yuusha/Shield Hero Anime General Discussion Thread

[Go0gleplex]

Boy this conversation jumped a rail or three. It's a light novel series, not a work by Aasimov or Doyle. Of course the writing isn't going to be good, but discounting it as flawed is erroneous as well IMO. There are a lot of subtle things hidden by the in your face attitudes of the heroes tying things together. The only complaint I have in reading through it so far is that it suffers from the plot getting dragged past a logical conclusion and forced past it to expand the series.

There is a reason for all of the heroes behaviors that is plot logical, but that won't be revealed for a while yet in the anime. If you've read the books that far, you should have picked up on it. Just as there is a reason why the Shield Hero is getting dissed hard by the king and people. The false rape set up plays into that aspect as well as a secondary one making it the crime most effective to discredit the Shield as well as reinforce the first aspect to the people. Then again, there is a larger plot reason in play as well that doesn't get revealed until way down the line. His obtaining of a slave has absolutely nothing to do with sex or even a fantasy. It is due to an absolute loss of trust in the proven hostile people around him...a state of mind that is driven by one of those as not yet revealed issues I mentioned before which should be obvious to anyone whom has read ahead in the series. And I mean over the head with a brick obvious.

Given those plot points and the lack of trust by a self-admitted introvert finding themselves in what essentially they find to be an unknown hostile territory, I'd say, psychologically speaking, that the slave option is the easiest resolution to obtain an attacker he doesn't have to worry about stabbing him in the back (again) within a culture of that development level. (fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me.) The mention of his losing the ability to taste his food is also an indicator of the fact there may be (and is) something else at play with him.

[Kuroageha]

Him apparently losing his taste buds(?) might need more expansion but the fact it was brought might mean isn't the last time it will happen.
Did that woman who tricked him put something on his drink? Something else? It's related to the incident no doubt.

[RDNexus]

This story, despite being another LN Isekai Story, caught my interest due to the fact it's not just a Power Fantasy, but also a serious one the likes nowadays don't seem to be much, like Tensei Slime and Isekai Maou (yes, despite the excessive fanservice, it still seemed to have a serious plot to some extent), hence me still following the Manga.

Like I said before, I could advise people to take it easy and let some of their questions get answered as the story advances, but since they're Anime-only Viewers, they have all the right to discuss what they know so far, without LN/Manga Readers trying to shut them down. Discussions like that, proven right or wrong down the line, may usually bring up relevant stuff to talk about

[Fnights]

Was a solid first episode and a good adpation, liked it but i'm biased since i like isekai genre and tropes. ;D
About this trivial "controversy" regarding rape and slavery or whatever reason i see nothing wrong is portraying them in a positive light (even if is not the case here), is a works of fiction with fake characters in a fake setting after all and such stories can't be always politically correct where only males or villains do these things. I like stories when evil things, something unrealistic, can be justified in a good way too. Fictions and freedom is also something that aren't at any cost for everyone. Lately, i noticed that anime and manga became criticized more often globally, this trend is bad and the beginning of more censorship because this will force western publishers into compromises to please a wider audience (that bad digest otaku culture) and not offend certain parties, this will limit the freedom and creativity of original authors even in Japan. My2c.

[Go0gleplex]

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

Him apparently losing his taste buds(?) might need more expansion but the fact it was brought might mean isn't the last time it will happen.
Did that woman who tricked him put something on his drink? Something else? It's related to the incident no doubt.

Psychologically speaking, it is a metaphor for how unpalatable he finds the situation (and world) that he is trapped in. Plot-wise, it is the first indicator of what is currently (and very insidiously) influencing him; triggered by the false accusations of Mein and the King...and everyone else turning on him. Hint: Nothing comes without a price or risk. Especially power.

[Haak]

Originally Posted by Sacredus

Yes she did... It was pointed out in 2nd post I linked. Reading is too much effort? But looking at your whole post it's clear that any discussion with you is just pointless.

Ooooooh sic fuckin burn m8. Roasted. XP

So I was orinigally perplexed as to what on earth you were talking about so i did what you suggested and read the post again twice. Still not quite sure what on earth you were talking about out I went and looked back on my own post to see if there was some sort of source of miscommunication. Sure enough

Originally Posted by Haak

The writer clearly didn't make the MC resort to slavery because it was a logical necessity they couldn't avoid or anything.

By "they" I was referring to the writer, not the character.

But I have perfect solution for you, that works in ALL anime series! If you don't like, then just not watch it.

I'm not going to. XP

I said this before but my only intention was to give it one shot to see if it were worth it. And no it's not worth it. I've already had to deal with one salty source fandom recently and I'm not inclined to do it again. Not for something so boilerplate average. I really just don't get the hysteria sometimes. Lord only knows how much shit was flung at shows like Naruto or Bleach or Sword Art Online back in the day for even less and nobody gave a damn. Everybody knows how much dumb nonsensical stuff is in shows like Dragonball Z and Pokemon but people have the ability to laugh at it all because nobody is so God damn insecure about it all the time.

[The Green One]

Hi everyone! How are you today?

*holds something up*

This is my morality! Say hi to everyone morality!

Morality: "Hi everyone!"

What's that? You don't like him? Well that's alright, because I'm going to cram my morality down your throat!

Now open wide!


This is the impression I get when I was reading the Goblin Slayer thread and now this one. It's ok to have differing opinions you know. It's allowed.

[felix]

Originally Posted by Sacredus

Slavery in this series have NOTHING to do with fetishes... This is not that kind of series on any level. Stop jumping to conclusions. I already explained WHY Naofumi need slave. This and this post from Neki Ecko answer from that questions. You guys just searching drama and problems where there is simply nothing to complain about...

Your conclusions have nothing to do with the chain of posts that lead to the comment you're quoting.

You realize you're answering the problem posed to your hypothesis that "if female irony excuses all" with your very post that started it right?

Also maybe I missed posts but so far I've seen, there's only these posts in the thread:

• people excusing the show's slavery theme
• people talking about how people on other websites (ANN) are causing drama over the slavery (which of course they are; they want views and you gave it to them)
• people that are fine with the slavery being shown (because who cares really?) and commenting on how it's not on some ethical high ground regardless of plot
• people (like myself) commenting on how it's a weak plot device with many holes to use slavery; some comparisons to how other series handle it well and some talk about where it appears or what you have to have happen when it's there for the plot to not be negatively affected

So who's your comment against? since nobody is in this "drama group" (on this site). There's some tangential discussion on how it works, but nobody really cares enough to call it drama. If you're reading this in some dramatic way just chill.

If this is directed at me, then you can very easily convince me by just answering the question I asked from the first post till now:

What's the PLOT merit of slavery as a plot moving device, given the contextual restraints it places and implications, over establishing any other relationship? (eg. daughter, mentor-student, friend, etc)

Which is not the same "Why is slavery bad?" If slavery was to the side or in the background it wouldn't matter at all for plot, so really who cares. Freedom of expression and all that as far as I'm concerned. And this is also not a show stopper BTW. I am venting on it being weak, overused and such, but I'm not sensitive to it or anything, or disgusted by it on some sentimental basis. Topics that are suppose to be bad, look bad (no surprise). It's no big deal, it's fiction.

And if you can't find a reason, that's fine! Nobody is losing anything here, one way or another.

Originally Posted by The Green One

This is the impression I get when I was reading the Goblin Slayer thread and now this one. It's ok to have differing opinions you know. It's allowed.

If drama happened in some thread or some other place on the internet, then preemptively bringing it up is just either baiting people who might actually lean towards it, baiting trolls or (what I consider the worse) .... actually being solely responsible for causing and fueling the drama.

Feel free to quote the posts and make me look like an idiot, but...

It feels to me like someone comes in and just "complains about drama" (it all started with the ANN reference I think) then other people see the post and don't bother to find the drama but just throw in their own spiel complain about this drama, then other people see those and do the same and complain about this now "imaginary drama." In a sense all the drama is just from the people complaining about the drama, ironically asking for a stop to the drama they're fueling.

[Go0gleplex]

Felix, I answered your question though I cannot be specific about the why because it involves several major spoilers which would get my hands slapped by the spoiler police . Suffice to say there is a VERY valid reason as to why slavery is used here on the immediate front and another two that are presented down the line.

[Twi]

The validity is questionable, but I'd just suggest rather than dance around it you just send them the answer in a PM rather than going back and forth on both sides.

[RDNexus]

The issue here is when people don't want to be spoiled but still want to discuss what they've seen.
It's true that this whole mess could've been avoided, but they're still in their right to do so...

[Sacredus]

I just tried to calm people down So please, just watch this, all your questions will be answered.

Originally Posted by Haak

By "they" I was referring to the writer, not the character.

Yeah, she, author is female.

[~Yami~]

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

Him apparently losing his taste buds(?) might need more expansion but the fact it was brought might mean isn't the last time it will happen.
Did that woman who tricked him put something on his drink? Something else? It's related to the incident no doubt.

about losing his taste buds, I think we can all relate...
when we are under stress or depression, some of us are losing their appetite, right? for my case, all food would have same taste... boring one...

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by Sacredus

Slavery in this series have NOTHING to do with fetishes... This is not that kind of series on any level. Stop jumping to conclusions. I already explained WHY Naofumi need slave. This and this post from Neki Ecko answer from that questions. You guys just searching drama and problems where there is simply nothing to complain about...


Edit: Why I have feeling that all of started to think that "All isekai are ecchi and harem"? This series don't have any harem and ecchi, or romance since we're on it.

And you are wrong about that. Naofumi has "good" reason why he got slave. But why Naofumi got slave and why author decided him get slave are two different issues. It could be male or beast, but author decided it will be blindly loyal beauty and love interest. That's because it's play on fetish... like any other web novel that use that device.

Well it is not really worth prolonged discussion even if I wanted critise story there are much worse cases of bad writing, but I don't. Tate Yuusha is not terrible enough to be unable kill 25 minutes of my time weekly., which is good enough.

[Haak]

Originally Posted by Sacredus

I just tried to calm people down

.

By telling me I can't read?

Yeah, she, author is female.

The jury is still kind of out on that one mate, and based on my empirical observations, I'm leaning towards a hard no.

But hey, if it ever is confirmed that the author is female then feel free to PM me and let me know because that would change my perspective on it. Not that I don't believe in the existence of "Useful Idiots" but I don't think that would apply here. Not a particular believer in "White Guilt"-esque shit like that.

Or hey, maybe the author is female and the whole thing is a coded message against people who level false rape accusations for the sake protecting their racist agendas *cough*Jacob Wohl*cough*...

[RDNexus]

The author already stated in an interview that the story's primary premise is more of a critique to our world's current overall system or something, and a message to those feeling wronged by it to rise and fight it as possible to each one...or something like that, as I remember

[Neki Ecko]

Originally Posted by xrick

The author already stated in an interview that the story's primary premise is more of a critique to our world's current overall system or something, and a message to those feeling wronged by it to rise and fight it as possible to each one...or something like that, as I remember

I think it is something like that, but I think that everybody tries to over analysis this with the false rape and slavery issue. Here is the thing, Shieldbro is in a situation that he doesn't have allies, the whole kingdom hates him because of this charge and there is no proof that he will be able to return once all of the waves is done. Plus he will be so under leveled to the those other fools, but you do what you have to do, By hook or crook.

[Ghostfriendly]

The princess looks 'slutty', eh? I really don't want to hear that from a light novel reading otaku. Apart from Isekai being overdone, and 'dark antihero' Isekai already yesterday's news, the baseless confidence of the other 3 heroes could do with some explanation.

I wasn't feeling very well disposed to light novels after Goblinslayer, and here we have a very cack handed portrayal of false rape accusation right out of the gate. 'Matriarchy' or feminism, does not mean that they can't simply give the man a trial, or that a society which regularly swallowed such baseless accusations would last five minutes. To be fair, the Shield hero's bad reputation leads to the accusation being blindly believed, but that's a pretty nebulous justification for giving only one side of a very thorny subject.

Why am I only talking about these problem? Because nothing else in the ep stands out enough to for me to mention.

However, this isn't anything like so offensive as GS, and one hopes, if I do steel myself to watch further episodes, that the slave girl is going to be climbing up from the pit in a commendable fashion. Perhaps.

[Sacredus]

Originally Posted by Haak

The jury is still kind of out on that one mate, and based on my empirical observations, I'm leaning towards a hard no.

But hey, if it ever is confirmed that the author is female then feel free to PM me and let me know because that would change my perspective on it. Not that I don't believe in the existence of "Useful Idiots" but I don't think that would apply here. Not a particular believer in "White Guilt"-esque shit like that.

Or hey, maybe the author is female and the whole thing is a coded message against people who level false rape accusations for the sake protecting their racist agendas *cough*Jacob Wohl*cough*...

Well, most of them are, but since we don't have any evidence that its otherwise we can use names used on books. Not like its really important, it's just make reading all SJW's complains even funnier. Anyway, lets better stop this offtopic before mods nuke this thread.

[Chosen_Hero]

Originally Posted by Ghostfriendly

The princess looks 'slutty', eh? I really don't want to hear that from a light novel reading otaku. Apart from Isekai being overdone, and 'dark antihero' Isekai already yesterday's news, the baseless confidence of the other 3 heroes could do with some explanation.

I wasn't feeling very well disposed to light novels after Goblinslayer, and here we have a very cack handed portrayal of false rape accusation right out of the gate. 'Matriarchy' or feminism, does not mean that they can't simply give the man a trial, or that a society which regularly swallowed such baseless accusations would last five minutes. To be fair, the Shield hero's bad reputation leads to the accusation being blindly believed, but that's a pretty nebulous justification for giving only one side of a very thorny subject.

Why am I only talking about these problem? Because nothing else in the ep stands out enough to for me to mention.

However, this isn't anything like so offensive as GS, and one hopes, if I do steel myself to watch further episodes, that the slave girl is going to be climbing up from the pit in a commendable fashion. Perhaps.

Because some of us already know where this leads due to having read at least some of it beforehand and have no need to bring it up to avoid spoilers and because some people are just hell-bent on hating this series without waiting to see the answer to those kinds of questions.

Like I already stated, Goblin Slayers first episode was horrible on all fronts and deserved a lot of the backlash it got, even if the rest of the season did not. But this series did NOT pull a Goblin Slayer with an actually pretty solid first episode and is only getting backlash because people don't have any faith in it handling the rape accusations and the slavery themes well (which anime never tends to do well).

As someone that had read the manga at least up to the first wave happened before this anime was announced, I too rolled me eyes at the rape accusations and slavery themes, but I kept reading and the answers I was given up to that point were satisfying, at least as best as a manga could have given.

That is about all I can say on the matter, my advice is to just keep watching and then when the answers are given you can bash this series as much as you want if you are not satisfied by them.