World Of Warcraft Discussion Thread

[Ithekro]

I saw something a while ago called "I'm MT", a Chinese 3D cartoon series based on World of Warcraft. It is fairly funny at times since it takes the prespective of newbie players starting out in WoW and runs with it. They are semi-roleplaying, but use a lot of player mentality. (MT like looting and they start on a quest for a good weapon from Wailing Caverns while wandering the Barrens. Also there seems to be a lot of ganking, so it is a PVP server. The style is anime-like I suppose, though the styles are different as thing go along (the original main character's style is different from the later characters that all seem to be level 60s...as thsi seems to take place early in WoW's history, as they are on a server with guilds working on Molten Core as the end game. It is mainly Horde focused, but they get more Alliance focus added in as the story progresses.

The location visually make it clear that they are filming in WotLK, but making it seem like it is early Vanilia WoW. Also they make fun of the Chinese alterations to WoW, such as gravestones in place of corpses, and some other things. Oddly the style for the Forsaken is rather cute in this series. (The Undead Mage hums Hare Hare Yukai in early episodes and some of the early musical queues are from the Haruhi-chan webseries)

The first three seasons of it are subbed someplace. I don't know if there is a fourth season in the works or not.

[Last Sinner]

Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

a mage ice nova and TPing away

Personally I don't TP right after nova. I'd either Deep Freeze or Polymorph them, then Invisibility, then get out of combat, then get on my flying mount, then fly a zone's worth away, then Teleport.

[Kyero Fox]

Originally Posted by Last Sinner

Personally I don't TP right after nova. I'd either Deep Freeze or Polymorph them, then Invisibility, then get out of combat, then get on my flying mount, then fly a zone's worth away, then Teleport.

I ment back in the day when mages didnt have Invisibility *cough*yournotaroguewutyoudoingwithinvisibility*co ugh*

[Last Sinner]

Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

I ment back in the day when mages didnt have Invisibility *cough*yournotaroguewutyoudoingwithinvisibility*co ugh*

I didn't reroll Mage until they had Invisibility.

[Kyero Fox]

Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

I ment back in the day when mages didnt have Invisibility *cough*yournotaroguewutyoudoingwithinvisibility*co ugh*

Your not a rogue, what you doin with invisibility?*

^ for those who dont like to read cluster ****s^

[Kotohono]

wow the recent patch note for 4.1 seems to have gotten a bit on controversy going on the forums .

Spoiler for New Change to LFD for 4.1:

Originally Posted by LFD for 4.1

In patch 4.1 we'll be introducing Dungeon Finder: Call to Arms, a new system intended to lower queue times. Call to Arms will automatically detect which class role is currently the least represented in the queue, and offer them additional rewards for entering the Dungeon Finder queue and completing a random level-85 Heroic dungeon.

Any time the Dungeon Finder queue is longer than a few minutes for level-85 Heroics, the Call to Arms system kicks in and determines which role is the least represented. In the case of tanking being the least represented role, the "Call to Arms: Tanks" icon will display in the Dungeon Finder UI menu where class roles are selected, and will also display on the UI when the queue pops and you are selected to enter a dungeon. Regardless of your role, you'll always be able to see which role currently has been Called to Arms, if any.

Call to Arms is meant to lower wait times by offering additional rewards for queuing as the currently least represented role. To be eligible for the additional rewards you must solo queue for a random level-85 Heroic in the role that is currently being Called to Arms, and complete the dungeon by killing the final boss. Every time you hit these requirements (there is no daily limit) you'll receive a goodie bag that will contain some gold, a chance at a rare gem, a chance at a flask/elixir (determined by spec), a good chance of receiving a non-combat pet (including cross faction pets), and a very rare chance at receiving a mount. The pets offered come from a wide variety of sources, and include companions like the Razzashi Hatchling, Cockatiel, and Tiny Sporebat, but the mounts are those specifically only available through dungeons (not raids), like the Reins of the Raven Lord from Sethekk Halls, Swift White Hawkstrider from Magister's Terrace, and Deathcharger's Reins from Stratholme.

This system is meant to address the unacceptable queue times currently being experienced by those that queue for the DPS role at max level. The long queue times are, of course, caused by a very simple lack of representation in the Dungeon Finder by tanks, and to some extent healers. We don't feel the tanking and healing roles have any inherent issues that are causing the representation disparity, except that fulfilling them carries more responsibility. Understandably, players prefer to take on that responsibility in more organized situations than what the Dungeon Finder offers, but perhaps we can bribe them a little. While this system gives tanks and healers something extra, the incentive is being provided so that we can help players in the DPS role get into more dungeons, get better gear, and continue progressing.

While the gold, gems, flasks, and elixirs are OK incentives, we knew we needed something more substantial. We had briefly considered Valor Points and epics, but decided that wouldn't be working toward the goal of helping DPS players progress, and ultimately wouldn't keep tanks and healers in the Dungeon Finder system for very long. We settled on pets and dungeon-found mounts as they’re cosmetic/achievement items that players tend to try to get on their own, so why not change that up and offer them a chance to get some of those elusive pets and mounts in a way that also helps other players? Even if they don't get a pet or mount, or get one they already have, the gold and other goodies still feel rewarding enough that it won't feel like a waste of effort.

We think it's a pretty solid incentive to get tanks and healers queuing, give max-level players another way to collect the pets and mounts they so desire, and above all, to improve wait times for DPS players sitting in queues. In the case of lower level dungeons, it's actually not uncommon for DPS to be the least represented role, and so if this new system works out and we're pleased with the results, we may consider applying this same mechanic to lower level dungeons as well.

The amount of DPS acting like they're getting shafted somehow by this is honestly hilarious...

On a different note my guild finally downed the twin drake fight today, and we made some progress on chimearon[got to 32%, but didn't have time to get enough attempts to down him], and wondering if the Council fight in BoT is considered harder or easier than chimearon/atremedes in BWD.

[Xacual]

Originally Posted by Konakaga

wow the recent patch note for 4.1 seems to have gotten a bit on controversy going on the forums .


The amount of DPS acting like they're getting shafted somehow by this is honestly hilarious...

Honestly I have no problem with that change, I mean its not like most classes can't solo for these mounts already. This just gives an extra place to try your luck for tanks or healers depending on which is most needed.

[Skane]

Originally Posted by Konakaga

wow the recent patch note for 4.1 seems to have gotten a bit on controversy going on the forums .


The amount of DPS acting like they're getting shafted somehow by this is honestly hilarious...

On a different note my guild finally downed the twin drake fight today, and we made some progress on chimearon[got to 32%, but didn't have time to get enough attempts to down him], and wondering if the Council fight in BoT is considered harder or easier than chimearon/atremedes in BWD.

Well, that's interesting. It certainly perked my interest in going back to Prot-Warr for LFD pugs instead of Fury (I only tank for my Guild now).

Hmm...

[Last Sinner]

Have all three mounts.

That won't fix queue times.

Quality of PUGs is still bleh but I've been in a few decent ones. 15 minute H Tol'vir deathless run with all DPS above 10k was a nice one.

Council is a controlled burn. It's mandatory to have all 4 down as close to 25% as possible. Letting a merge occur with any of them above 30% is suicide. It's also an awareness fight. Burning Ignacious's Shield, removing Feludius's debuffs, handling Tempestria and Arion, then doing a fast burn at the Elementium Monstrosity phase. It is a very technical fight. You have to be aware of a lot. It's a necessary step up to get you into serious mode for Cho'gall.

[Kotohono]

Originally Posted by Last Sinner

Have all three mounts.

That won't fix queue times.

Quality of PUGs is still bleh but I've been in a few decent ones. 15 minute H Tol'vir deathless run with all DPS above 10k was a nice one.

Council is a controlled burn. It's mandatory to have all 4 down as close to 25% as possible. Letting a merge occur with any of them above 30% is suicide. It's also an awareness fight. Burning Ignacious's Shield, removing Feludius's debuffs, handling Tempestria and Arion, then doing a fast burn at the Elementium Monstrosity phase. It is a very technical fight. You have to be aware of a lot. It's a necessary step up to get you into serious mode for Cho'gall.

Hmmm I see, and while I'll agree most PuGs are mediocre with how many I've healed as paladin, or tanked as my DK since hitting 85 and gearing them up, but I'd say most LFD groups are fairly decent and bearable you can ussually clear them in a reasonable amount of time without having to kick someone or wipe more than once or twice. So I could see this working to some extend to get people to tank and heal, while they mentioned those mounts by name, it's hard to say if they're the only mounts being offered from it, they're a few other mounts they could offer.

[Last Sinner]

It's not the first time they've tried this. They added that mount to H Oculus back in LK to stop people from leaving. It did have an effect. I still don't see this incentive holding people from leaving if Stonecore or Grim Batol come up. Case in point - I queued tonight. Grim Batol came up. Despite geared group, tank left instantly. I couldn't be bothered waiting and logged.

[Kotohono]

Originally Posted by Last Sinner

It's not the first time they've tried this. They added that mount to H Oculus back in LK to stop people from leaving. It did have an effect. I still don't see this incentive holding people from leaving if Stonecore or Grim Batol come up. Case in point - I queued tonight. Grim Batol came up. Despite geared group, tank left instantly. I couldn't be bothered waiting and logged.

I think that's more of an issue with the fact that Grim batol and Deadmines HC are both relatively long instances compared to ones like Vortex, or Throne of Tides.

[demonfang]

Twilight Council 3rd phase is a tough dps/gear check. Our raid group considers them tougher than Atramedes/Chimaeron, whom we've already beaten, though we expect to down them this week or next once we gear with some more epics (Working on Nefarian and Al'Akir currently).

[Kotohono]

Originally Posted by demonfang

Twilight Council 3rd phase is a tough dps/gear check. Our raid group considers them tougher than Atramedes/Chimaeron, whom we've already beaten, though we expect to down them this week or next once we gear with some more epics (Working on Nefarian and Al'Akir currently).

I was under the impression that Cho'gall was considered the easiest of the final 3[on 10 man anyways] and Nefarian was toughest 10 while Al'Akir was the toughest on 25?

[Xacual]

Just to comment on the new dungeon thing, Blizz said it's any mount available from dungeons so I'd assume the blue proto drake, bronze drake (though who doesn't already have that?), and maybe even the rare cata mounts would be possible from the bag.

[Kotohono]

Originally Posted by Xacual

Just to comment on the new dungeon thing, Blizz said it's any mount available from dungeons so I'd assume the blue proto drake, bronze drake (though who doesn't already have that?), and maybe even the rare cata mounts would be possible from the bag.

Indeed those should be possible too, though I wonder if the blue drake[formerly gotten from Oculus if you got it as random HC], or they consider it a "raid mount" now?

[problemedchild]

Originally Posted by Konakaga

I was under the impression that Cho'gall was considered the easiest of the final 3[on 10 man anyways] and Nefarian was toughest 10 while Al'Akir was the toughest on 25?

It's debatable whether or not Cho'gall is harder than Al'Akir, but he does drop T11 pieces and I personally see very little reason to down Al'Akir (LOL RNG) before getting your raid set pieces. It's very amusing to see the difficultly level jump in Heroic mode, some of the much easier fights in normal become a absolute nightmare in Heroic.

[Last Sinner]

IMO just go farm them now. Doing H MGT or H Sethekk only takes about 5 minutes. H Utgarde Pinnacle is soloable and you can skip bosses/stuff along the way to Skadi as some classes. And of you can do Stratholme over and over, of course.

Proof they're still obtainable - here's what happened today on only the 7th time I tried on my Shaman. Now makes the 2nd toon I have one of those on.

Spoiler:

[Kyero Fox]

on my paladin i did Barons again and got the mount the first time for the 2nd toon.

[Kotohono]

Originally Posted by problemedchild

It's debatable whether or not Cho'gall is harder than Al'Akir, but he does drop T11 pieces and I personally see very little reason to down Al'Akir (LOL RNG) before getting your raid set pieces. It's very amusing to see the difficultly level jump in Heroic mode, some of the much easier fights in normal become a absolute nightmare in Heroic.

Well if you're a one-hand sword using heavy raid comp Al'kir drops their best weapons, which for is our holy paladin's caster swords[run with 2 normal] or mages depending stats[run with 1 normally], frost DW DK's best swords are from him[which we have], and prot paladin's best tank weapon could be off him too. Also Al'kir will drop tier 11 tokens on normal addition heroic as of patch 4.1.[Only drops them on Heroic mode atm]