(L) Sora no Woto

[felix]

Originally Posted by Roardel

Probably he was only joking and exaggerated.

Its not unheard of for hyperinflation to happen in real life; where a egg would go for 1mil and such.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Konakaga

Spoiler for Episode 4:

I enjoyed the episode was nice to get see Noel some actually at this pacing though I'd have to guess that ms. captain(Felicia) will be larger focus of the next episode since each of the other girls spent most of the episode with Kanata besides her; first 'her' episode > 2nd Kureha > 3rd Rio > 4th Noel > 5th Felicia? in order let us better understand/know each member of the Troop.

Also Does Noel's voice, and manner of talking remind anyone else of Yuki Nagato(from Haruhi)?
Cause it sounded really similar to me even though I am pretty sure it's a different VA.

Mybe then we'll finally see what it is everyone but Kanata knows.

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Mybe then we'll finally see what it is everyone but Kanata knows.

From the part in episode 2, when they were talking before just before Noel came back and told them about the ghost, it appears that Kureha doesn't know either. But whatever it is, it is the reason that Kanata, a bugler, was sent there instead of some other type of specialist. That makes me think that it has more to do with the legend than a new outbreak of war.

[Kaoru Chujo]

Originally Posted by Konakaga

...Does Noel's voice, and manner of talking remind anyone else of Yuki Nagato(from Haruhi)? Cause it sounded really similar to me even though I am pretty sure it's a different VA.

It certainly does, but that's up-and-coming 17-year-old star Yuuki Aoi, who was Murasaki in Kure-nai, and is now playing Mina Tepes in Dance in the Vampire Bund, Ichigo in Yumeiro Patissiere, and Riko in Anyamaru Tantei Kiruminzoo, as well as Noel here. That's important or leading roles in four shows at once. Wow. She has enormous range and ability, and producers seem to love her:



Chihara Minori, who played Nagato Yuki, is doing a nice job with a different voice starring in Chuu-bra, as well as playing Teresa in Seikon no Qwesar.

You can see pics of and info on all the main seiyuus in this show by clicking the So·Ra·No·Wo·To link in my sig.

[Blaat]

I've noticed that I'm paying more attention at the backgrounds then I am at the characters, I really love, and the same the details especially the azulejo although I've noticed that they're repeating the same patterns all over the town.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by Proto

It happens when your foundations were already good and you had a little detail you weren't noticing screwing everything up. After all, they didn't said that the girl suddendly transformed into a gran maestro, they only showed us her being able to play one of the standard trumphet songs correctly, which is a pretty decent accomplishment without it being outrageous.

Besides there is just a fine line between bad and good when playing a wind instrument. All she really did here was sharpen the notes so it sounded right. She already had the tune down and it was just a question of hitting her notes. Already had an edge with hearing notes that well (a talent I would have liked to have had when I played). It was kind of abnormal that she was still that bad with so much going for her.

Though a good lesson that when you need to get better chat with a blacksmith . I could have built up so many skills over the years that way.

Was a bit rude to go out and play when Noel was sleeping though. Guess she forgot that whole let her rest bit . But I suppose when you have a breakthrough hard to resist.

Too bad about the ocean though. Sucks for the dolphins and all the creatures that were living out there.

[scr]

In this episode of So-Ra-No-Wo-To:
1) An old man giving a blowjob (that man is a glass craftsman... sorry folks...)
2) Epiphany solves everything
3) Tanks doesn't kill people, people do

Spoiler for eps4:

So, Rei Ayanami Yuuki Nagato Noel want to fix the lens of Takemikazuchi rifle. Considering that the technology of the world is lost, it's unbelievable that the lens can be replicated. That the old man can forge a new lens is the equivalent of a traditional katanah blacksmith suddenly able to forge a modern sniper rifle. Now that's an even greater epiphany than Kanatah's!

[Fenrir_valindri]

Spoiler for Episode 4:

It isn't like the Lens would be impossible to re-produce, it is a piece of glass after all.

They just don't posses the technology to mass-produce/replicate it anymore, so its basically trial and error until they get created another lens close enough to the original. Judging by the amount of lenses they had there, it took them quite a while.

Remember, the Chinese were using gunpowder long before we developed guns, it isn't completely impossible that one of the best Glass craftsman in their world couldn't reproduce it, especially with a sample on hand.

It would be more akin to a traditional sword smith making the barrel of a sniper rifle then creating an entire sniper rifle.

Noel is also apparently extremely intelligent, so its no surprise that she eventually found a way to get the correct lens.

and for all those poking fun at it, an epiphany isn't an incredibly unrealistic event like some people are making it out to be, it happens IRL on occasions.

[Dop]

The thing about the lens

Spoiler for lens:

A bit of a passing reference to Clarke's law there (any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic) but basically lens making has been around for a heck of a long time - thousands of years.
However, if you took a lens off Galileo's telescope and stuck it in front of your camera, you'd still get an image - just not as good an image as if you were using the latest Leica Summarit. It wouldn't be corrected for distortion, or chromatic aberration.
Their problem wasn't so much making a lens, as making a lens to match the old one where the exact specifications were lost. So that wasn't particularly unbelievable.

As for Kanata

Spoiler for kanata and the bugle:

that wasn't outlandish either. The little sample of glass blowing and the moral of the story was that she was trying too hard. What she learned was to relax and let it flow rather than trying to force the notes out. I find this perfectly believable. And it was a beautiful scene too.

More foreshadowing, hints at the past, so long and thanks for all the fish. When are we going to be privy to the information that Kanata doesn't know...?

[chikorita157]

It seems that Noel is one of those stoic characters... and sleep deprived like Nagato Yuki for example.

Spoiler for episode 4:

It's not so surprising that Kanata got it right after 4 episodes... well, the events leading up to it and it only took 4 episodes from her playing horribly to playing actual music...

With that, the lens finally work after trial and error... See, it's not impossible, but it sure did take alot of time...

and yes, she smiled.

Rating: 9/10

[BakaRanger]

Spoiler for kanata and the bugle:

After seeing Kanata resolving her Bugle playing problem, it was clear that she was trying to play too loud by forcing too much air through her horn. I'd have to fail Rio as an instructor rather then blame Kanata for this problem. Any music teacher would have corrected this in a few minutes after hearing her playing that way. I'm glad they finally abandoned this ridiculous plot line as it could have only lasted more then a day or two if Kanata was learning to play on her own without any instruction.

If she is serious about wanting to learn to play an instrument, she needs to dump the bugle and get a real trumpet which only differs from her bugle by its ability to play more notes through it's 3 valves. Bugles are a simple but limited instrument as they are designed to be played while riding a horse in a calvary charge or running through a battle field on foot. There are very few songs that can be properly played with one which is why all military calls are specifically written for a bugle's limited notes.

The more insteresting thing hinted at, over the last 4 episodes, is Kanata's ability to recognize individual notes by simplying hearing them which already puts her ahead of many muscians. She's been able to use it to track a small flying target through town and now act as quality control for high quality optics. As her ability keeps helping out in the plot, it's obvious that it will play an even more important part latter on.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Dop

More foreshadowing, hints at the past, so long and thanks for all the fish. When are we going to be privy to the information that Kanata doesn't know...?

I'm wondering who's building the Dragon if they are building the Spider.

[scr]

What i meant isn't the lens itself, but the very precise manufacturing system to make them. Something like the system having to be calibrated by computers up to 0.00000000000001 degree precision.

Yup, Kanatah's world is Warhammer 40,000 alright...

[kankyo]

Originally Posted by scr

What i meant isn't the lens itself, but the very precise manufacturing system to make them. Something like the system having to be calibrated by computers up to 0.00000000000001 degree precision.

Yup, Kanatah's world is Warhammer 40,000 alright...

As we all saw, the tank's system goes through some sort of optimization/calibration process when new lens is installed, so that could mean the software is smart enough to adapt to somewhat inferior lens as long as it's good enough (i.e. doesn't have to be manufactured all that precisely)? Rather useful feature when spare parts are scarce and their future supply is uncertain, huh?

[MitsubishiZero]

Originally Posted by kankyo

As we all saw, the tank's system goes through some sort of optimization/calibration process when new lens is installed, so that could mean the software is smart enough to adapt to somewhat inferior lens as long as it's good enough (i.e. doesn't have to be manufactured all that precisely)? Rather useful feature when spare parts are scarce and their future supply is uncertain, huh?

It is the sniper system, which probably require the lens to be perfect for the CCD or whatever they use to properly recognize things...........

[Hypernova]

Originally Posted by MitsubishiZero

It is the sniper system, which probably require the lens to be perfect for the CCD or whatever they use to properly recognize things...........

Still doesn't rule out future advancement in software compensation.

And military hardwares are not necessary spec'ed balls to the walls. Tolerances are set at just adequate levels to allow performance, mass production and durability balance. Having them too tight hurts the ability to improvise replacement in field or it means they jiggle out of spec easily when in use.

[MitsubishiZero]

Originally Posted by Hypernova

Still doesn't rule out future advancement in software compensation.

And military hardwares are not necessary spec'ed balls to the walls. Tolerances are set at just adequate levels to allow performance, mass production and durability balance. Having them too tight hurts the ability to improvise replacement in field or it means they jiggle out of spec easily when in use.

You have to bear in mind the setting of Sora no Woto states those are old lost technology. There won't be any windows update. Also, we know about tolerances today but in this anime, maybe they don't. Relax. It's an anime.

[IMSabbel]

Again, about the lens:

Google around a bit. People are even nowadays grinding lenses and mirrors for telescopes by hand, and get great results.

Its just a matter of effort and cost.
A modern DSLR lens assembly has 6-25 lenses in it, all coated. And may cost as little as $100.
Milling a lens to top quality by hand may take a week or so of work for a single lens. And skill. So if you would have a craftsman mill your lens per hand, it would be unpayable...

But if no alternative is available, and manual labor is cheap, there is nothing that prevents you from going that route.

[Hypernova]

Originally Posted by MitsubishiZero

You have to bear in mind the setting of Sora no Woto states those are old lost technology. There won't be any windows update. Also, we know about tolerances today but in this anime, maybe they don't. Relax. It's an anime.

The point kankyo and I was trying to point out was that the system apparently can adjust to inferior lenses to a degree, while you suggest it can't. That's all.

[Ice Block]

Originally Posted by MitsubishiZero

You have to bear in mind the setting of Sora no Woto states those are old lost technology. There won't be any windows update. Also, we know about tolerances today but in this anime, maybe they don't. Relax. It's an anime.

You don't need an internet connection to install your new mouse or RAM stick. There's a reason why the GUI clearly showed "system optimization".

The problem they had with the lens is that they didn't know the specific concentration/distribution of Na₂O and MgO. Somehow, it is possible to compare these stats between lenses through the sound that they make (pitch, timbre, etc.). So, with the help of a musical genius and much trial and error, they were able to produce a close enough match. This is very acceptable, since even something as complex as life may have started from random collisions between self-assembling molecules, and then proceeded to evolve to more complex and stable or more reactive systems.