2008-12-24, 11:19 | Link #1181 |
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Yikes. An untimely death but, thankfully, Iijima wasn't murdered like Nozomi Momoi in 2002.
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2008-12-27, 11:58 | Link #1182 |
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Israeli has unleashed the might of it's air force on the Gaza Strip following weeks of mortars and Qassam rocket barrages from the Hamas-controlled territory.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/me...kes/index.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7800985.stm
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2008-12-27, 12:46 | Link #1183 |
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And killing lots of civilians in the process.
Good going, Israel, these people certainly look like terrorists. But I'm sure you didn't care too much about that in the first place.
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2008-12-27, 14:24 | Link #1184 |
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Well, if you look at it from Israel's point of view, the unrelenting daily Qassam rockets landing in residential areas was really warranting an appropriate response. Remember, Israel gave Hamas ample time to stop firing rockets into Israel from Gaza, and they didn't. So at some point, Israel had enough and decided to them have it.
Though, it does look like 'using a cannon to kill a mosquito'. Ah well, and so the cycle of violence continues.
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2008-12-27, 17:00 | Link #1185 | |
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And, another sad part of this story is that Obama is still vacationing (I do not even care about what the Bush would say, even his own people does not respect him, the rest of the world would be better off without his comments). |
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2008-12-27, 20:43 | Link #1187 |
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Happy birthday, Mr. Bat!
http://www.freep.com/article/20081226/NEWS03/812260352 Also, a picture from a thread about the article: This pic just makes me curl my fingers into my mouth with cute. Kawaii Edit: Lol apparently I've put this in the wrong thread... Animal related fluff goes in Silly News, not Srs News |
2008-12-28, 21:36 | Link #1188 | |
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Think about what would happen if Israel approached the situation with the same mentality. Of course, in the meantime, I say Israel should let Gaza have it and keep giving it to them until Hamas cries uncle. And if they don't cry uncle, oh well... DEATH FROM ABOVE!! |
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2008-12-28, 22:35 | Link #1189 | |
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Edit Currently, there are about 286 deaths in Israel and 900+ wounded. On the other hand, the numbers of people died over the Islamic University airstrike totals 307, while the number of injured are unknown. Israel killed more people. Last edited by Shadow Kira01; 2008-12-28 at 22:37. Reason: added death tolls |
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2008-12-29, 00:17 | Link #1191 | |
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Honestly, that thing was created to prevent another WW2 or Cold War. Except here's the thing...no civilized nation will ever...EVER attack another. Simply because war is no longer economically profitable. No matter how aggressive Russia may seem, it will never attack the U.S. If you watched "The Russian Gamble", which had Erin Burnett doing a major reporting stint in Russia, the entire reason for Russia's military buildup is simply to be used as a trading chip for other far more important things. In the meantime, IMO, the UN should be disbanded. This whole "bleeding heart" and "policing of the world" are the reasons why the Palestinians still exist today. If Israel would be given Carte Blanche to do what it needed to in order to secure its security, the middle east would go from the terrorist spawning grounds of the world to the most peaceful it's ever been, and all within extremely short order, at least once Israel procures the F-35s... |
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2008-12-29, 02:02 | Link #1193 | ||
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As for your, "well war isn't economicly profitable" arguement, that's pretty much always been true, unless you're running a defence company and your side isn't losing. War not being profitable didn't stop WW1, nor did it stop WW2. The UN may not be perfect, but as an organization, they've done some really good work. Of course their main contribution has been in humanitarian work, and their peacekeeping successes don't get publicized nearly as much as their failures. Without the UN, there'd be a lot more people dying, even if we only take away their work eliminating small pox in the third world.
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2008-12-29, 02:02 | Link #1194 | |
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Specifically, the type that existed around the end of the 19th century, when they were certain that the increased economic interdependence within Europe had guaranteed an age of peace that would last forever. As even a brief perusal of th 20th century tells you, that is exactly what happened; the industrialized, economically-interconnected world that arose following the industrial revolution ended war forever. Like many of the UN's critics, you don't understand its purpose or its limitations. First, the UN has never done anything to Israel beyond empty words; it can't, because the United States has a permanent veto seat on it. The UN can do nothing binding without the explicit permission of all the major nations in the world, including the United States. If that seems like it keeps the UN from doing, well, almost anything important, that's correct. The UN's purpose is not actually to "police of the world", though it forms a useful forum for the world's major nations to cooperate on that. It isn't intended to deny or grant Israel anything (and it doesn't; the UN has no say in Israel's upcoming ground attack beyond letters of condemnation.) It is not intended to prevent Russia from attacking, if it ever comes to that. How could it? Instead, the UN was created as a successor to the League of Nations, which was created after WWI. Its purpose is solely to encourage communication and cooperation between nations on matters of international importance, to encourage clarity on individual nation's goals and the things that they will or will not accept. The purpose is to avoid another accidental war along the lines of World War I -- one where no nation knew the actual alliances or how other nations would react because of them. It encourages nations to write a lot of those empty words, because when a nation's position is poorly understood, unnecessary wars can result. It can't prevent another World War II, and isn't intended to; but it can, perhaps, prevent another World War I. That is its purpose. Everything else is purely secondary, taking advantage of its status as a useful international forum. It has no special powers, no secret controls over nations, no ability to compel anything; its capabilities are exactly equal to what its member states choose to commit, and the only reason its dictates have any real force is because they can only be passed with the agreement of all the most powerful nations in the world, including the United States. It is a centralized forum intended to prevent the splintering of national dialogs that resulted in World War I, nothing more. It serves an extremely important role in doing that -- but it isn't intended to end other wars, or right wrongs, or anything magical along those lines. It is just a framework to encourage open discussions between nations, and ensure that none of the major actors on the world stage go against the will of the other major world powers without at least realizing that they are doing so (as happened in the lead-up to World War I.) |
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2008-12-29, 12:18 | Link #1195 |
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Let me make this clear: Racist hate speech or any speech that devalues human life is not permitted on this forum. I just removed a conversation thread of about 10 posts that began with some remarkably intolerant hate speech. If you encounter that sort of garbage on the forum, never reply, just report it. The post will be deleted and the poster infracted and/or banned. Discussions about politics can provoke some very extreme views and reactions, but when you suggest that the deaths of thousands wouldn't be a bad thing, you're way passed the point of crossing the line.
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2008-12-29, 15:42 | Link #1196 | |
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The USA gives a lot to Israel. I'm sure France and other nations would fill the gap if the US didn't give them aid, but the thing is it wouldn't be free/cheap any way you look at it. I don't think Russia would give Israel weapons, since they never have in the past and because of Israel's alignment. |
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2008-12-29, 16:50 | Link #1198 |
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Israel have his own weapon's industry, they don't buy everything. If I am not mistaken ,they started when DeGaule stopped the shippement of french jets to Israel.
I don't think the russian would sell weapons to Israel because they are already selling to the others countrys of the region. Usualy french sell to anybody, they are all doing it, but France and China are maybe the less scrupulous.
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2008-12-29, 17:15 | Link #1199 | |
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2008-12-29, 17:32 | Link #1200 | |
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