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FRS · 2010-01-10, 16:19

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Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

My guess at Vivid's next story arc?

Vivio: Hey look everyone! *Holds up flyer that says "Strike Arts Tournament"* Let's all take part in this! We should get training right away!

Yes, nothing says 'generic shonen' like a tournament arc

I hope not, that would kill any interest left i have in Vivid.

RadiantBeam · 2010-01-10, 17:03

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Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

My guess at Vivid's next story arc?

Vivio: Hey look everyone! *Holds up flyer that says "Strike Arts Tournament"* Let's all take part in this! We should get training right away!

Yes, nothing says 'generic shonen' like a tournament arc

Do not want.

Barely anything is keeping me in Vivid as it is, if they go this route with the characters I'll just drop it completely and focus on Force.

Alavon · 2010-01-10, 18:05

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Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

My guess at Vivid's next story arc?

Vivio: Hey look everyone! *Holds up flyer that says "Strike Arts Tournament"* Let's all take part in this! We should get training right away!

Yes, nothing says 'generic shonen' like a tournament arc

I would LOVE it if it would actually happen!

Cookies for Raiser if it actually happens. (even though it's been done repeatedly in other series...

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I hope not, that would kill any interest left i have in Vivid.

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Do not want.

Barely anything is keeping me in Vivid as it is, if they go this route with the characters I'll just drop it completely and focus on Force.

Huh?

RadiantBeam · 2010-01-10, 18:44

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Originally Posted by Alavon

Huh?

I don't want a tournament arc. I'm praying we don't get a tournament arc. It's a staple of many fighting/shounen series, and I've very rarely read a case where it was well done. I'm already turned off from Vivid because of the massive fanservice and lack of a decent plot, barring some hints that barely caught my attention. If we go into a tournament arc, I'm going to drop the series completely.

Nya~n · 2010-01-10, 18:44

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Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

My guess at Vivid's next story arc?

Vivio: Hey look everyone! *Holds up flyer that says "Strike Arts Tournament"* Let's all take part in this! We should get training right away!

Yes, nothing says 'generic shonen' like a tournament arc

Forgoing all yuri undertones and settling for HOT BLOODED THESE-HANDS-OF-MINE-THEY-GLOW-WITH-AN-AWESOME-MANALET-MY-FIST-DO-THE-TALKING?

YYEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Demi. · 2010-01-10, 18:45

YuYu Hakusho - The Dark Tournament.

Very entertaining watch.

Guess it boils down to what is more interesting. Training camp ala StrikerS, or real fighting with incentive. I'll admit tournaments are a very generic shounen cliche, though...

RadiantBeam · 2010-01-10, 18:47

YuYu Hakusho never really caught my attention, and still fails to. Honestly, the only tournament arc I love to pieces is the arc in Negima, and that's because it's part of the plot and character development. Vivid has been seriously lacking in both up until this point, not counting Vivio, Ein, and Nove.

Demi. · 2010-01-10, 18:49

Well that arc in particular was good. I thought.

00-Raiser · 2010-01-10, 19:29

Well, a tournament arc in Vivid would go one of two ways:

1.) Named cast members defeat faceless opponents off screen and the only fights shown are ones between named characters.

2.) A bunch of new characters are introduced as rivals, making the people who thought the cast was big enough already scream and tear their hair out.

Anyways, no matter where the manga goes, I predict that in the end it will boil down to a fight between Vivio and Einhart, where Vivio actually wins this time.

Demi. · 2010-01-10, 19:31

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Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

2.) A bunch of new characters are introduced as rivals, making the people who thought the cast was big enough already scream and tear their hair out.

Okay, I no longer have a desire for a tournament arc.

RadiantBeam · 2010-01-10, 19:48

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Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

2.) A bunch of new characters are introduced as rivals, making the people who thought the cast was big enough already scream and tear their hair out.

But... but...

Lio and Corona haven't even been decently fleshed out! At least Suzuka and Arisa got some character development before they were dropped! Vivio might as well have cardboard props for friends with all the personality they have... >>;;;

Alavon · 2010-01-10, 20:22

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Originally Posted by RadiantBeam

But... but...

Lio and Corona haven't even been decently fleshed out! At least Suzuka and Arisa got some character development before they were dropped! Vivio might as well have cardboard props for friends with all the personality they have... >>;;;

I actually giggled at this.

Jimmy C · 2010-01-10, 21:07

Tournament stories are often plot devices for stalling time in the event the creator has no idea where to go with his story. The usual 8-4-2-1 matches format gives you 15 stories in one go, many times that in chapters if you break up each fight into several chapters. If you've figured out what to do early, you can abort the tournament, or just get on with it after wrapping up the tournament.
But does Vivid need that kind of delaying tactic? With only one chapter to produce per month, they have 4 times the time for planning.

Lord Pertinax · 2010-01-10, 21:21

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Originally Posted by Alavon

I actually giggled at this.

Most of us did, it's normal.

MeisterBabylon · 2010-01-10, 22:28

Oh no tournament arc. We don't need another Negima Loli-Shounen hybrid. D=

Nya~n · 2010-01-10, 22:47

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Originally Posted by MeisterBabylon

Loli-Shounen hybrid. D=

You just made me think of the girls all getting turned into shoutas. I wouldn't mind bishie!Teana though... What's that orange light?

*is Starlight Breakered*

FRS · 2010-01-11, 03:43

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Originally Posted by Alavon

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Huh?

For my part i really loath tournament arcs, most of the time the plot slow to a drag and you must go through a serie of more or less pointless fight.

Sheba · 2010-01-11, 07:38

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Originally Posted by FRS

For my part i really loath tournament arcs, most of the time the plot slow to a drag and you must go through a serie of more or less pointless fight.

Then suddenly you have a twit, either the host or someone else, who does an ominous smirk while cackling as s/he looks at Vivio, Einhart and the rest of the combatants of the canon cast and says, "Everything is going according to the plan."

"Plan" meaning, "I don't know what to do with the story so I pull a Just as Planned device off my ass to hide the glaring flaws of my story."

Blank-Mage · 2010-01-11, 07:50

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Originally Posted by Sheba

Then suddenly you have a twit, either the host or someone else, who does an ominous smirk while cackling as s/he looks at Vivio, Einhart and the rest of the combatants of the canon cast and says, "Everything is going according to the plan."

"Plan" meaning, "I don't know what to do with the story so I pull a Just as Planned device off my ass to hide the glaring flaws of my story."

As a general rule of thumb, all evils villains have ridiculous faith in plans. "Sure, they've beaten my soldiers, dragon, best mage, and a demi-God, but NO ONE could beat this mystical artifact! Muhahaha!" And if they do, no problem, because there's NO WAY they could beat the forest of illusion, etc. Villains are dumb.

Nya~n · 2010-01-11, 08:44

Not dumb. Just... Cliched and thus predictable.

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Demi. Ass connoisseur Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Florida Age: 37	YuYu Hakusho - The Dark Tournament. Very entertaining watch. Guess it boils down to what is more interesting. Training camp ala StrikerS, or real fighting with incentive. I'll admit tournaments are a very generic shounen cliche, though... __________________

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Demi. Ass connoisseur Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Florida Age: 37	Well that arc in particular was good. I thought. __________________

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00-Raiser Burst Mode Author Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 37	Well, a tournament arc in Vivid would go one of two ways: 1.) Named cast members defeat faceless opponents off screen and the only fights shown are ones between named characters. 2.) A bunch of new characters are introduced as rivals, making the people who thought the cast was big enough already scream and tear their hair out. Anyways, no matter where the manga goes, I predict that in the end it will boil down to a fight between Vivio and Einhart, where Vivio actually wins this time. __________________

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Jimmy C Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007	Tournament stories are often plot devices for stalling time in the event the creator has no idea where to go with his story. The usual 8-4-2-1 matches format gives you 15 stories in one go, many times that in chapters if you break up each fight into several chapters. If you've figured out what to do early, you can abort the tournament, or just get on with it after wrapping up the tournament. But does Vivid need that kind of delaying tactic? With only one chapter to produce per month, they have 4 times the time for planning. Last edited by Jimmy C; 2010-01-10 at 22:34.

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MeisterBabylon ~ Your Smile ~ Author Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 346Pro Age: 38	Oh no tournament arc. We don't need another Negima Loli-Shounen hybrid. D= __________________ 白露型駆逐艦の４番艦、夕立です。第三次ソロモン海戦では、けっこう頑張ったっぽい★？

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Nya~n umbrella moe~♥ Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: huh wha-?	Not dumb. Just... Cliched and thus predictable. __________________