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4Tran · 2009-03-20, 22:22

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cynicalicious · 2009-03-21, 00:10

Great ep, but loses a couple of points for ...

Spoiler for Episode 12:

initialjt · 2009-03-21, 02:23

I agree with the above, but also:

Spoiler for episode 12:

Newhope · 2009-03-21, 04:51

I don't know what It was but this episode just felt out of place to me, I'll reserve jugement till the subs come out and watch that and see if that changes my mind.

Lesca · 2009-03-21, 08:06

The pacing felt ok to me, maybe a little rushed but I didn't notice all that much.

Spoiler for Ep 12:

Nice of them to end the episode the way they did...

keikkaishi · 2009-03-21, 10:29

I agree that the cliffhanger is unnecessary. I know where it's going and it double kills me to have the anime stop there for this episode. I feel this episode is a bit rushed, for now, as I really can't judge without the subbed version. But, it's definitely missing some details compared to the novel (even to the summary of the novel I read), And based on the preview for next episode, it seemed the ending will also be a bit rushed. Oh, well. I hope the continue the series as OVA. That way, it could be longer for each episode.

cynicalicious · 2009-03-21, 11:14

Yeah, it did have its good moments. I was just a little disappointed after last week's great episode, I think. I just wish they hadn't rushed through so much material.

Oh, and to answer Lesca's question...

Spoiler for Ep12:

Kaoru Chujo · 2009-03-21, 11:33

I loved the episode. At first I was ticked off that they were going to stretch out the choice of Touko so long, but then I realized that we needed the time to actually get closer to being inside Touko's feelings. And the cliffhanger isn't over what the result will be, but how we get there, so I accepted it.

And although I haven't read the novels, the slow pace makes me think that they are planning another season -- which would be a good thing, considering how well this season has gone. I hope the ratings and sales justify it.

ZaLhErA · 2009-03-21, 12:09

So disappointing and I don't think it's because I read novels before. Even I knew ARIA's ending from manga , I still satisfied with Anime.

What the heck with this episode's ending while INSERT SPOILER on the preview!!!!???? They made the ending to make us curious who will win the red card ,right? AND THEY REVEAL ON THE PREVIEW THAT WHO WILL GO DATING WITH YUMI. The date from 1st season splitted into 2 episodes but this time they cut out Shimako's and Yoshino's to fit in 1 episode.

It's simply a suicide for this season's team. I prefer Yukihiro Matsushita than this Katou Yoshiyuki. I'm disappointed with this season , they cut and cut like they're in formula-1 racing. (and can you get 1st rank now?)

sa547 · 2009-03-21, 14:24

Spoiler for Gotta explain why...:

Fuze · 2009-03-21, 15:57

It's not surprising that people who are aware of the original material are somewhat disappointed. But from a anime-only perspective, it doesn't seem that bad, at least, to me.

But I do agree with the previews giving away a little too much at times, regardless of whether the answer is obvious or not.

My favorite performance of last week was hands down Touko-- Rie Kugiyama was powerful. My favorite this week is Noriko for her emotional encouragement to Touko.

mintyfresh · 2009-03-21, 17:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by initialjt

I agree with the above, but also:

Spoiler for episode 12:

...You are aware the manga ended with Youko, Sei and Eriko's graduation (i.e, episode 5 Season 2), right? （ ´_ゝ`）

cynicalicious · 2009-03-21, 17:50

Yeah, it's true that the viewers in Japan (and some of us on this board) have the advantage of having read the books... I suppose if you have that advantage, you can just look at it as "animated highlights from the books," but if you haven't read the books, you're missing some fun stuff. It's just a shame that they had to rush through so much stuff.

That said, there were some nice little nuggets in the episode...

Spoiler for ep 12:

thundrakkon · 2009-03-21, 21:29

Awww... This series is about to come to an end. I will sorely miss this.

Touko has improved as of late, but still to not where I would love her like the other characters. I have learned to accept her.

As for where Yumi's red card is

Spoiler for Guess for where the red card is:

Sachiko figured it out and would have taken it first, but I guess she will give way to Touko. Afterall, Sachiko can have a FULL day date with Yumi at any time, not a HALF date that the card will result in.

I love this series. I will be brought to tears soon when it ends, but all good things must come to an end. As some had mentioned, there might be an OVA later, so I'll look forward to that. Better yet, if they made a movie for the ending.

I wonder though, who is going to win the white Rose card?

Proto · 2009-03-21, 22:45

Before I read the novel readers and other naysayers comments which will describe in all detail how much this episode skipped, and make me feel like a fool for liking the episode, I want to say I liked this episode quite a bit. Sure, the pace S1,2 and 3 got us used to wasn't there, but for an emotional roller coaster like this episode it worked excellently, much better than what a slow paced episode would have achieved (and I'm normally someone who likes slow paced series!).

a 10/10 from truly yours.

I would kill to have the patience to read the novels. I mean, I may be able to grab a kanji dictionary and crawl through all the 30 books, but as someone used to fast paced reading i just can't stand it >_<

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What the heck with this episode's ending while INSERT SPOILER on the preview!!!!????

Am I the only one who sees the irony in this?

mintyfresh · 2009-03-21, 23:14

I'm a novel reader myself, and I personally enjoyed this episode quite a bit.

All y'alls're haters.

Woodchips · 2009-03-21, 23:17

9/10 from me.

Spoiler tags should be needed no longer.

Great episode. There was a nice even balance between internal and external conflict and action. Going through the events of the card-hunt, Touko's feelings, Noriko's friendship and Sachiko's thoughts on the whole thing was really nice. Looses points for the slightly cheap cliffhanger ending.

I am hoping that the series continues. It's one of my favourite character study anime and after four seasons, you tend to want to see how everyone changes over time.

Lots of love for the romantic girlyness of Yumi's delusions; self-parody for the win!

Zippicus · 2009-03-22, 00:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Proto

Am I the only one who sees the irony in this?

There could have been someone behind them with a gun to their head making them watch the spoilers

dahl_moon · 2009-03-22, 00:46

I only need one image:

Spoiler for Screenshot from the episode:

And we cannot forget the brownie points to Noriko; for opening Touko's heart and prodding her to look deep inside on how Touko herself thinks of Yumi. I don't fully remember the words, but "the single thing that matters most between souers, is how much you like each other."

I also thought the preview spoiler was silly, but season 4 previews have been quite spoilery, anyway..

agila61 · 2009-03-22, 02:56

Ah, c'mon, was anyone in any doubt that you know who would you know what with you know whom before becoming you know whom's you know what? A true spoiler for those who have not read the novels would be

Spoiler for ep12 climax:

... because after all in Marimite the plot is only a hook on which to hang character development.

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2009-03-21, 00:10	Link #2
cynicalicious I like pie. Join Date: Nov 2004	Great ep, but loses a couple of points for ... Spoiler for Episode 12: Unnecessary cliffhanger ending. Laaaame. EDIT: And for the gratuitous swirly effect with Sachiko, Yumi, and Touko on the white background. I laughed at that, because it was a bit over the top. They don't need that kind of stuff for this series. Just keep it simple and straightforward. Also, the story pacing felt kind of awkward. There were some great scenes in there, but for some reason, it didn't gel as well as the previous two episodes did. Probably because they crammed an entire book into 20 minutes. (Minus two minutes for rehashing last week at the beginning.) Some good stuff in there, though. Last edited by cynicalicious; 2009-03-21 at 01:08.

2009-03-21, 02:23	Link #3
initialjt Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009	I agree with the above, but also: Spoiler for episode 12: I'm ticked that the series isn't going to reach the same end that the manga did. At least that's what it looks like. This does not do the series justice for me.

2009-03-21, 08:06	Link #5
Lesca Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK	The pacing felt ok to me, maybe a little rushed but I didn't notice all that much. Spoiler for Ep 12: I'm glad Touko has finally seemed to realise her feelings for Yumi, and I liked that part of the episode but it was the smaller scenes I enjoyed more. When Yumi was picturing herself and Sachiko all romantic, I thought her reaction was hilarious(easily amused) and when Rei saw Yoshino's card stuck to the side of the building was pretty funny too. Did Yoshino have two cards? the younger girl found the real card? Nice of them to end the episode the way they did... __________________ Motsu: "Ah!, I'm flat" Shichimi: "Sometimes, I have the urge to kill you"

2009-03-21, 11:14	Link #7
cynicalicious I like pie. Join Date: Nov 2004	Yeah, it did have its good moments. I was just a little disappointed after last week's great episode, I think. I just wish they hadn't rushed through so much material. Oh, and to answer Lesca's question... Spoiler for Ep12: No, Yoshino didn't have two cards. Rei found Yoshino's card taped to the side of the teacher's room, but didn't get it because she was a "non-participant" (she had entered the second-chance drawing because she had a college entrance exam that day, and wasn't sure she could make it in time for the treasure hunt), so by rule she couldn't take the card. And when Tanuma Chisato sees Rei's expression, Chisato figures out where Yoshino's card is. (The scene is hinted at in the anime.) The yellow card that Rei brings with her is a coupon she made for Yoshino for any valentine's day chocolate that Yoshino wants, because Rei was too busy studying for her college exams. Naturally, this infuriated Yoshino for two reasons. First for confusing everyone and making them think she found Yoshino's card, but mostly she was mad at Rei for wasting her time on such nonsense when she should have been studying for her exams in the first place. Yoshino knew not to expect anything from Rei this year, because Rei was taking exams. So that was why she was angry at Rei. Of course, she's also mad that Rei would consider wasting even more time making sweets at her request in the middle of exam season, because she still has a few more to go, IIRC. And of course, Rei is still thinking about making a card for Eriko, too. lol.

2009-03-21, 04:51	Link #4
Newhope Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008	I don't know what It was but this episode just felt out of place to me, I'll reserve jugement till the subs come out and watch that and see if that changes my mind.

2009-03-21, 10:29	Link #6
keikkaishi Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	I agree that the cliffhanger is unnecessary. I know where it's going and it double kills me to have the anime stop there for this episode. I feel this episode is a bit rushed, for now, as I really can't judge without the subbed version. But, it's definitely missing some details compared to the novel (even to the summary of the novel I read), And based on the preview for next episode, it seemed the ending will also be a bit rushed. Oh, well. I hope the continue the series as OVA. That way, it could be longer for each episode.

2009-03-21, 11:33	Link #8
Kaoru Chujo Yuuki Aoi Join Date: Jul 2004	I loved the episode. At first I was ticked off that they were going to stretch out the choice of Touko so long, but then I realized that we needed the time to actually get closer to being inside Touko's feelings. And the cliffhanger isn't over what the result will be, but how we get there, so I accepted it. And although I haven't read the novels, the slow pace makes me think that they are planning another season -- which would be a good thing, considering how well this season has gone. I hope the ratings and sales justify it. __________________ YUUKI Aoi 悠木碧. b92.03.27 (age 29). 2008 Kurenai (Murasaki). 2009 Yumeiro Pâtissière (Ichigo), Kiruminzuu (Riko), Yutori-chan (Yutori-chan). 2010 Vampire Bund (Mina Tepeş), Shiki (Sunako), Samurai Girls (Juubee), Pokémon: Black and White (Iris). 2011 Madoka Magica (Madoka), Gosick (Victorique), A-Channel (Tooru). 2012 Symphogear (Hibiki). 2014 Pilot's Love Song (Claire/Nina), Nanatsu no Taizai (Diane). 2015 Owari no Seraph (Krul Tepes), Rokka no Yuusha (Fremy). 2016 Boku no Hero Academia (Tsuyu, Froppy). 2017 Kino no Tabi (Kino). 2021 Kumo desu ga (watashi), Kaizoku Oujo (Karin), Heike Monogatari (Biwa), etc., etc. Total of 513 roles in anime and games.

2009-03-21, 12:09	Link #9
ZaLhErA Undine of the Rebellion Join Date: Jul 2007	So disappointing and I don't think it's because I read novels before. Even I knew ARIA's ending from manga , I still satisfied with Anime. What the heck with this episode's ending while INSERT SPOILER on the preview!!!!???? They made the ending to make us curious who will win the red card ,right? AND THEY REVEAL ON THE PREVIEW THAT WHO WILL GO DATING WITH YUMI. The date from 1st season splitted into 2 episodes but this time they cut out Shimako's and Yoshino's to fit in 1 episode. It's simply a suicide for this season's team. I prefer Yukihiro Matsushita than this Katou Yoshiyuki. I'm disappointed with this season , they cut and cut like they're in formula-1 racing. (and can you get 1st rank now?)

2009-03-21, 14:24	Link #10
sa547 Senior Member Author Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Philippines Age: 47	Spoiler for Gotta explain why...: True, the previews tend to reveal too much of the plot, but unfortunately, the staff can't please everybody, and some of them assume that most people (so far in Japan) have already read the books. Y'all ask the author herself, who's (once again I remind) the creative supervisor. Hm, shades of Stephanie Meyer or J.K. Rowling? Me? It's irrelevant if they have chosen to produce "previews" that are so spoiler-y; in most places the show is still capable of entertaining. I'll post out my full-blown critique of this episode by the time I come back. __________________ Last edited by sa547; 2009-03-21 at 14:45.

2009-03-21, 15:57	Link #11
Fuze Member Join Date: Jan 2009	It's not surprising that people who are aware of the original material are somewhat disappointed. But from a anime-only perspective, it doesn't seem that bad, at least, to me. But I do agree with the previews giving away a little too much at times, regardless of whether the answer is obvious or not. My favorite performance of last week was hands down Touko-- Rie Kugiyama was powerful. My favorite this week is Noriko for her emotional encouragement to Touko.

2009-03-21, 17:50	Link #13
cynicalicious I like pie. Join Date: Nov 2004	Yeah, it's true that the viewers in Japan (and some of us on this board) have the advantage of having read the books... I suppose if you have that advantage, you can just look at it as "animated highlights from the books," but if you haven't read the books, you're missing some fun stuff. It's just a shame that they had to rush through so much stuff. That said, there were some nice little nuggets in the episode... Spoiler for ep 12: Yeah, Noriko was great. Without Noriko, Touko doesn't get a clue in time. Of course, Sachiko was great, too. I like how she got all embarrassed when they exchanged gifts. Very cute. Of course, it was also cool when she said she was in the Rose Mansion because she was waiting to see Yumi's true colors. Another cute thing, if you didn't notice-- at the end of episode 11, Touko drops the -san from Noriko's name. At the beginning of episode 12, Noriko comments to herself that Touko seems to be back to herself. But you'll notice that Touko still calls Noriko just plain Noriko, without the -san now. (Aww.) So Touko has realized just how important Noriko is to her, and openly acknowledges it. (So she's finally just starting to learn her lesson.) Of course, it took Noriko to remind her that Yumi wasn't the sort of person who would hide her card in a room full of blank maps. Only Touko would think of something so dark. (Lol. Poor Touko.) Touko's problem is that she overthinks everything Yumi does, and ascribes ulterior motives to everything Yumi does that simply don't exist. And Sachiko had a really neat speech she gave to Touko as well... that being Yumi's soeur is difficult, because Yumi is a mirror who will reveal every one of your weaknesses. lol. Another cute thing you may not have noticed-- Shimako asks Noriko when she comes back from talking to Touko if she's cold. It's because Noriko's cheeks are red (well, they would be if they animated it properly). Shimako thinks that they're red from being outside for a long time in the cold, so she goes up to feel Noriko's cheeks, and they're warm. Then Shimako realizes what Noriko was doing. (She was crying for Touko.) Aww.

2009-03-21, 21:29	Link #14
thundrakkon Anime-Only Viewer Graphic Designer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA	Awww... This series is about to come to an end. I will sorely miss this. Touko has improved as of late, but still to not where I would love her like the other characters. I have learned to accept her. As for where Yumi's red card is Spoiler for Guess for where the red card is: I would imagine it would be on Yumi, or more particularly, by her heart. Sachiko figured it out and would have taken it first, but I guess she will give way to Touko. Afterall, Sachiko can have a FULL day date with Yumi at any time, not a HALF date that the card will result in. I love this series. I will be brought to tears soon when it ends, but all good things must come to an end. As some had mentioned, there might be an OVA later, so I'll look forward to that. Better yet, if they made a movie for the ending. I wonder though, who is going to win the white Rose card? __________________

2009-03-21, 23:14	Link #16
mintyfresh Altoid Join Date: Aug 2004 Age: 37	I'm a novel reader myself, and I personally enjoyed this episode quite a bit. All y'alls're haters.

2009-03-21, 23:17	Link #17
Woodchips つかれた! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Age: 38	9/10 from me. Spoiler tags should be needed no longer. Great episode. There was a nice even balance between internal and external conflict and action. Going through the events of the card-hunt, Touko's feelings, Noriko's friendship and Sachiko's thoughts on the whole thing was really nice. Looses points for the slightly cheap cliffhanger ending. I am hoping that the series continues. It's one of my favourite character study anime and after four seasons, you tend to want to see how everyone changes over time. Lots of love for the romantic girlyness of Yumi's delusions; self-parody for the win!

2009-03-22, 00:46	Link #19
dahl_moon Apathy moe~ Scanlator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Atlanta, USA / Seoul, Korea	I only need one image: Spoiler for Screenshot from the episode: Yumi, you've grown so much... Although she obviously still retains her silly faces, when we're talking about Touko, she's definitely the onee-sama now. And we cannot forget the brownie points to Noriko; for opening Touko's heart and prodding her to look deep inside on how Touko herself thinks of Yumi. I don't fully remember the words, but "the single thing that matters most between souers, is how much you like each other." I also thought the preview spoiler was silly, but season 4 previews have been quite spoilery, anyway.. __________________ Currently Watching:Is the Order a Rabbit?, No Game No Life, Precure Series

2009-03-22, 02:56	Link #20
agila61 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009	Ah, c'mon, was anyone in any doubt that you know who would you know what with you know whom before becoming you know whom's you know what? A true spoiler for those who have not read the novels would be Spoiler for ep12 climax: finding out where Yumi hid her card, because that would have said about where Yumi's head and heart were at when she hid the card, and what Touko-chan realized ... because after all in Marimite the plot is only a hook on which to hang character development.