(CR) Masou Gakuen HxH

[wuhugm]

Originally Posted by xrick

Then what's the big factor for a series' success?

The overall quality of course.

Look at Asterisk rated highly despite being the same generic harem as everything else.
While World Break flopped despite the plot is way more interesting.

HxH's plot is below DxD
Ecchi is fail since unlike Issei, this Kizuna dude does not get aroused no matter what
Also shitty production quality

No more reasons needed

[AB079]

Originally Posted by wuhugm

The overall quality of course.

Look at Asterisk rated highly despite being the same generic harem as everything else.
While World Break flopped despite the plot is way more interesting.

HxH's plot is below DxD
Ecchi is fail since unlike Issei, this Kizuna dude does not get aroused no matter what
Also shitty production quality

No more reasons needed

Not really, Asterisk rankings were below average on the first cour while the second cour did a terrible job, barely reaching 1k after the last episode. The LN itself didn't get a decent boost just staying in the usual rankings from before the anime with a slightly higher numbers (remember the main purpose of any adaptation is to boost the source).

World Break situation was quite different, that season we got 5 harem series so is really hard to go against the other 4. It feels like quality + how good is the source + some luck is the key for these type of adaptations to get a decent numbers, the last one was Shinmai maou and the third season of DxD, after that every single harem series flopped really hard.

Obviosly something that can hurt Masou Gakuen is how the studio cut some content but is not like the series itself has more to offer than pure ecchi. Maybe with the addition of that missing content on the BD's can help the series and the LN to get some reasonable boost but I seriously doubt it.

[Kuroageha]

This kind of series with high ecchi and low plot contents need an above average to good animation and consistent designs at least to keep the interest of the public, when they fail to deliver the loss of interest is the obvious outcome when you add to that that there barely is any focus on the good characters of the series.

Originally Posted by AB079

And I'm still wondering why even with all that content the series is doing an awful job.

Spoiler for rank:

**2,187位/**2,140位 ○ (***,737 pt) [*,**0予約] 2016/09/30 Masou Gakuen HxH

Just like Asterisk, boring heroines while the better girls get no focuss.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Hopefully the flop of HxH is a sign that Japanese otakus are getting smarter in choosing the entertainment worthy of their financial support. I mean, aren't these the same guys who made the super-horribly-braindead-terrible Infinite Stratos 2 a hit because it sold like hot cakes? How low can their standard be for buying that shit? I can understand season 1 being a hit, but season 2 is beyond terrible and it was still a hit in DVD/BD sales *smh*. Or is it just the loyalty of the fans that will buy anything with "IS"-brand slapped on it? Anyway, it's really time for anime like HxH to end their reign to give way to more substantial anime out there. I don't mind ecchi, they can keep it. But ecchi shows with mediocre plot and story and focusing mostly on the sexual element are just lazy hentai-wannabes without the "good stuff".

[Kuroageha]

Not happening. HxH is just a product of bad moves. Afterall, it's the country were Senran Kagura reigns supreme with clothing damage "ninjas" selling like hotcakes its games (ok the game mechanics are okay, I give them that). Btw, Valkyrie Drive, another work from the same creators of SK was an ecchi yuri show that flopped harder than any other show afaik on its season.

IS being a sell out was for country waifus, and just that. And second season despite selling good it sold far less than the first season because it tried hard to shift the attention from multiple girls to new not so interesting characters and to one most infamous heroine in anime. Fans wanted their S1 waifus and got them.

Also there is no such thing as good hentai, really, they are poor on the animation, insulting plot and censored to hell back.

[RDNexus]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Hopefully the flop of HxH is a sign that Japanese otakus are getting smarter in choosing the entertainment worthy of their financial support. I mean, aren't these the same guys who made the super-horribly-braindead-terrible Infinite Stratos 2 a hit because it sold like hot cakes? How low can their standard be for buying that shit? I can understand season 1 being a hit, but season 2 is beyond terrible and it was still a hit in DVD/BD sales *smh*. Or is it just the loyalty of the fans that will buy anything with "IS"-brand slapped on it? Anyway, it's really time for anime like HxH to end their reign to give way to more substantial anime out there. I don't mind ecchi, they can keep it. But ecchi shows with mediocre plot and focusing mostly on the sexual element are just lazy hentai-wannabes without the "good stuff".

Totally agreed. As long as the setting, characters and plot get better, they can pretty much keep the ecchi, for all I care.
Just... Please... Deliver truly delightful stories for us to read/watch!

[Kuroageha]

Maybe, but for series likes this where the ecchi is priority because of it's a character driven series it's necessary to have decent characters than can carry the show or else it fails.

Imagine IS with just Houki as the main focus and priority.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

Also there is no such thing as good hentai, really, they are poor on the animation, insulting plot and censored to hell back.

Compared to HxH, I seriously prefer Umetsu's works in hentai like Kite, Mezzo Forte and Cool Devices for their gritty stories of assassins. There's also hentai comedies with various setting like space (eg. Spaceship Agga Rutter), medieval europe (eg. Words Worth), etc. There's also hentai with actual drama (not NTR) like Gosenzo San'e, Yuuwaku Countdown: Akira Complex, Class Reunion, Nozoki Ana, etc. I'd rather watch those than middling anime like HxH . Many of those titles I mentioned above are not censored and some have better execution and (dark) comedy. At least they go all-out in many areas.

[Kuroageha]

Are you aware most of those tittles are above 15 yo? Also Uematsu's Kite had a shitty end so no ; straight rape and sex without foreplay is not example for good execution.
If you can't draw the line between hentai and ecchi then you have a problem and if you want to make a comparison at least use tittles from the same year

[Blueknight78]

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

Are you aware most of those tittles are above 15 yo? Also Uematsu's Kite had a shitty end so no ; straight rape and sex without foreplay is not example for good execution.
If you can't draw the line between hentai and ecchi then you have a problem and if you want to make a comparison at least use tittles from the same year

seinen series where supposed to be 18+ then no problem have sex and things like that.
another note nowadays is become too hard to really draw a line between ecchi and hentai since many ecchis are going too overboard and doing things which you could only see in hentai series in the past, then is really hard to draw a line, the only real rule nowdays is more like the censor and how much you can show without being labeled pure hentai (21+).

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

Are you aware most of those tittles are above 15 yo?

Yes, so? That only drives my point further on how lackluster HxH is when some hentai from 10+ years ago have better-executed plot, drama, comedy and even animation in some parts.

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

Also Uematsu's Kite had a shitty end so no

Sorry, but that’s your opinion. Many other people (including me) do not share it. We think the ending is a powerful tragic ending that can happen in the crime underworld that the MC inhabit. Kite a cult-classic like Evil Dead movies. It even has a live-action movie adaptation with Samuel L. Jackson coz people love it so much.

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

straight rape and sex without foreplay is not example for good execution.

That only applied to Umetsu’s works for the most parts IIRC (which fits the grittiness of crime underworld the author wanted to depict). Other examples that I gave you have plenty of loving sex with proper foreplays.

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

If you can't draw the line between hentai and ecchi then you have a problem and if you want to make a comparison at least use tittles from the same year

I can draw the line just fine, thank you. It’s the fact that I can draw the line that I make this comparison between borderline-but-lackluster and middling works like HxH and some of the best hentai have to offer.

[RDNexus]

I, for one, dislike tragic endings and hate rape or other kinds of physical and/or psychological abuse

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by xrick

I, for one, dislike tragic endings and hate rape or other kinds of physical and/or psychological abuse

I understand your dislike for those elements, but there are good-to-brilliant stories out there with tragic endings (eg. Shakespeare’s works and Greek tragedies), rape and other forms of abuse toward women (eg. Berserk, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo trilogy, Mardock Scramble trilogy and even classic Chinese wuxia stories like The Return of the Condor Heroes). It will be beneficial if people don’t just dismiss the quality of some works due to certain elements in it, even hentais . For example, Nozoki Ana (especially if you read the hentai manga) is easily a better romantic story compared to many other (mediocre-to-downright-facepalming) romance manga & anime which are flooding the mainstream market since the 2000s.

[Rokumonsen]

Originally Posted by xrick

Then what's the big factor for a series' success?

Excellent marketing, decent product.

[Stark700]

So we get to see a bit of Sylvia's Taro in action this week...

Of course, that's not the only "action" if you get what I mean lol.

[xeviouses]

Behold! loli power encompasses all!

Slyvia was awesome this ep.

[D-KLAC]

Ep.11

So kizuna is seeing magic illusion trick of tokyo area but people are real it just their life energy getting drain to give to batlantis yet all cause kizuna's mother is just experiment on anything.

Yet kizuna want answer to remove hybrid gear but mother don't have answer so angry kizuna going after mother yet batlantis drill hair block him at least git 3 females to rescue but too out-power.

Til silvia to rescue in her mecha giant hybrid gear to beat dril hair batlantis but she going to nuke the city til silvia going immoral weapon to summon casket to seal nuke blast.

All this while kizuna's mother gather data then being malcolm merlyn of series yet fall back for now.

Give hybrid energy gettting low send in recharge room for team kizuna yet meanwhile scarlet's team got jobber beatdown yet also being "dream" cause batlantis purple hair making play time on scarlet.

So after kizuna recharge himekawa yet aine want kizuna charge up now to get climax weapon mode.

[wuhugm]

Oh~ This is the event in ep 1

But hell...... Just ditch the harem man, Sylvia single heroine ftw~ Best girl hands down~

Btw, great animation there for Sylvia's battle!
But there's also this :

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Animation Quality 2016

Batlantis plan is weird? Extracting life energy from dead world?

[bastek66]

I've never expected to hear Chopin in shitty battle harem academy anime.
I guess budget is so small that they need to use music from public domain.

[Benigmatica]

Episode 11:
So it's all just an illusion made by Dr. Nayuta Hida, huh? Still, she's the worst mother ever towards Kizuna and Reiri!

Meanwhile, I can't believe that Sylvia Silkcut not only got her Heart Hybrid Gear activated by beating one of the Royal Guards, but she also got her own Immoral Weapon right off the bat. She's truly is a monster on this week's episode!

Now then, it seems that Amaterasu team will have to deal with Zelshione next week. Gotta say, she made the Masters team reached their climax with only her bare hands!