2010-08-28, 12:45 | Link #2821 | |
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2010-08-28, 13:15 | Link #2822 | |
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2010-08-28, 13:25 | Link #2823 | |
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2010-08-28, 13:38 | Link #2824 |
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I think a big part of Dark Sakura's appeal is that she is proactive. Sakura spends most of Heaven's Feel in bed slowly going insane, so it's refreshing to see her get up and start actively affecting the plot. I mean, she was always driving the plot, it's just that she was doing it by virtue of all the people who wanted to save her or use her. It's after she goes Dark that she actually starts really shaking things up on her own accord. It's refreshing to see her take charge of her situation, even if logically you know it's for the worst possible reason.
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2010-08-28, 20:06 | Link #2826 |
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Given what we know about him in Fate/Zero, the way he just doesn't care about his own life or anything really, I think he pretty much just went "LOL screw it, too much effort," and let himself get stabbed just to see what dying was like or something.
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2010-08-28, 20:31 | Link #2828 |
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I couldn't believe he was there after Sakura was dealt with. Shirou just couldn't catch a break man.
But I think that the piece of the old grail (or whatever saved him from True Assassin's NF) inside of him, which was activated in HF, gave him more strength.
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2010-08-28, 20:32 | Link #2829 |
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Wait, didn't he take out Rin's knife at the last second? I think that's what he didn't expect. He probably was like, "Eh, I'll let him run here as much as he wants, he's dead anyway," and then got surprised when Shirou knifed him. Also he seemed amused it was his fault for giving Rin the blade.
I love Kotomine! He never dies. But I don't think his strength was from the Grail. I mean in Fate/Zero he rips a huge thick tree right off the ground using just his legs. |
2010-08-28, 20:42 | Link #2830 |
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It was always implied that Kotomine was never truly human from birth. Then again, this was mainly because he took joy out of the suffering of others, so I don't know if that was enough to classify him as "inhuman" even if it was unusual.
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2010-08-28, 21:07 | Link #2831 |
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Sociopathy of that sort would still be within the psychological baseline not only for humans but also for cetaceans like Orcas or dolphins for that matter, who have been shown to actively inflict all sorts of nasty crap on other sea organisms just for kicks. It doesn't mean a person can't be a constructive social being but it requires a different approach to do so.
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2010-08-28, 21:44 | Link #2832 |
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His enhanced strength is really just because he was an exorcist for the church. I don't think he rose as high as the Burial Agency, but he was still specially trained to kill vampires and demons. That's the sort of career where you either come out of it a badass of the first caliber, or you don't come out of it, and as a result the level of training required to get into it is just absurd. And of course, he does have a certain amount of training and talent as a Magus on top of it, so just because it's never explicitly stated he's using his magical energy to enhance his physical attributes somewhat doesn't mean he isn't. It would make sense.
Which, yes, makes the end of Fate sort of a plothole, because there is no way a half-trained teen should have been able to beat him in melee combat, even with the element of surprise. Not the worst plothole in in the game, granted, but... |
2010-08-28, 21:57 | Link #2834 |
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The end of Fate, not Heaven's Feel. When he's operating on a few weeks of sparring with Saber and a knife, yet manages to beat Kirei one-on-one. In HF it's more believable; they're both on the verge of death, and Shirou's got some added advantages to even out the difference in physical abilities.
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2010-08-28, 23:28 | Link #2836 |
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Lol at Kiritsugu's training.That's one of the weirdest things to me. Half the time it seems like Kiritsugu was deliberately half-assing it, yet other times, some of the stuff Shirou spouts seems like Kiritsugu did a decent job on theory. IIRC, even Rin said Shirou' knowledge was surprising
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2010-08-29, 10:09 | Link #2838 | |
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2010-08-29, 18:34 | Link #2840 | |
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EDIT: Pageclaim for creating plotholes by jacking up villain competency between routes! |
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