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All I'm saying is, I don't see a problem with Tobirama not reacting to it, since Tobirama had no reason to believe that Sasuke would use the eyes to attack right then and there. So that doesn't necessarily hint at an immunity to doujutsu. Concerning the word I bolded there. Sasuke and Tobirama are not enemies right now. They are, in fact, just talking to eachother. Concerning the encounter with Itachi, that was a combat situation, so they had every reason to believe he would use his eyes offensively. |
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2013-02-18, 13:06 | Link #123 |
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I am also interested also in the senju apparent lack of concern for the sharingan be it either gimmick or otherwise...
reading 619 and 620 again, we have the second explaining the "symptom," sharingan, and a bit later shodai calling sasuke a "pure uchiha" which imo meant not yet affected by strong emotion/grief/loss or whatever. then sasuke flashes his sharingan to say yes ive been affected and more so ive become powerful as a result. the senju bros. are unconcerned but why should they be "right now"? while this could turn into a combat situation, sasuke as already interrogated the sandaime (and nidaime) thus showing he is currently not interested in a fight. he wants answers to some pretty heavy questions...it just didnt look like he was displaying his eyes in aggression. (to be honest, if sasuke had flashed his EMS id certainly expect somebody in the room to guard up lol...but considering the experience they have with the sharingan, i wouldn't be surprised if they were unphased by it as well).
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2013-02-18, 18:46 | Link #125 | ||
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There's no reason to confuse/trick them with an illusion. They all pretty much have zero control over their movement (Tobirama began to resist only after Sasuke had already shut off his EMS, and then put in his place quickly after that), the only exception is Hashirama who is already cooperating. They are all sharing info freely so no reason to use genjutsu to force them to reveal what they know. The only possible use is to place the Hokage in an illusion which causes pain. Again, pointless except to subdue them. So I don't see how genjutsu is of much use to Sasuke, or why it would be much concern for the Hokage.
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We've never seen a regular Senju and the only known feat of a regular Uchiha is to be instantly beaten by Itachi when 3 cops went to ask him about Shisui's death and even those were probably above average considering they were Sharingan users in the 1st division. What I'm saying is that all the abilities you listed from the Uchiha clan aren't from the average Uchiha ninja joe and that you're asking for a particular ability from the Senju when the might of their clan precisely came from the fact that their superhuman physical ability meant they were very good at whatever they chose to specialize. Quote:
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This whole war is about zombies, Monster Minds and an over-sized pokemon, what's four more dead MVP at this point? |
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2013-02-19, 10:18 | Link #130 | |
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the way i see your line of reasoning: very strong nature ninjutsu + lots of stamina = ninjutsu reflection and copying + MS level genjutsu + eternal black flames + susano'o + the ability to rewrite history + whatever else we still have yet to know about the sharingan's powers which is at least a couple techniques I'm sure that doesn't add up for me like it does for you and others Last edited by itachi-san314; 2013-02-19 at 10:32. |
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2013-02-19, 12:09 | Link #131 |
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Oh I see what you're doing here. Not sure if you're aware of this, but you are essentially inflating every little tidbit about the sharingan, and conversely deflating every Senju thing.
For example, I've yet to see a single Uchiha do all of that shit all at once. Madara has shown to be able to do most of those things, but he's Madara so he -really- doesn't count. You're also ignoring that cute little detail that usage of Izanagi takes away the light of one's eye forever. Izanami takes it from both. Basically, if everyone was using it like you claim they did, they would all have gone blind and nothing could've stopped them from being wiped out. |
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2013-02-19, 13:50 | Link #135 |
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Well, given the information that we do know…both clans are of direct lineage of the So6…spiritual chakra vs physical chakra…exactly how these two chakra balance is unknown (i would say like oil and water, but I'm thinking more like fire and oxygen) and perhaps the question some of us are asking. regardless, the point is due to their origin as the original OP ninja clans, they rival each other. I'm assuming their shared lineage simply makes them talented ninja on equal footing (a cut above all other ninja) that is, until the uchiha awaken the sharingan…per tobirama, doing so "awakens something even greater than what the senju know…"
through out history the clans were called on to face each other because in terms of pure talent of ninjutsu, no other clan could match up…but when the uchiha unlocked the sharingan the tables likely turned but since they were such a sensitive group they kept each other in check. in regards to fighting the senju, it was probably discovered that as long as there were numbers they could manage a sharingan fight…except for the case of madara (and his brother) who developed stronger eyes and became the leader…he introduced all these crazy unbelievable techniques to the story that seem to make me scratch my head on how the senju were able to keep up…but since the story has yet to mention anyone else with that level of power, the senju didn't have to keep up…they had hashirama if there is a senju gimmick i wanna know it, but i think what i would like to no more is why hashirama so special...
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the abilities on the left are what we know the senju to be capable of. the abilities on the right are what we know the uchiha to be capable of. do they all do it, no... i didnt say they did. please stop putting words in my mouth. it's getting tiresome. the fact of the matter is that many uchiha are capable of those abilities. you're completely ignoring their 'BLOOD-SOAKED PAST' of stealing each others' eyes and you're also ignoring a bunch of other things that i dont feel like repeating. suffice it to say that sacrificing a sharingan isnt a big deal when they were stealing each others' eyes anyway |
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so about this Blood-Soaked past... you think there were other uchihas to obtain the MS and EMS? because i feel like the requirements are quite strict. 5 of our 6 canon MS users (we know little about izuna) were fairly docile people who subsequently witnessed/endured great loss after first having a deep love lol...i feel like going a murder raid in quest for power wouldnt earn you the MS...thus izanagi is likely the most power an "average" uchiha reigned in and perhaps didnt give the senju that much trouble...idk. chapter 621 needs to come wit it!
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Yes out of the 3 Senju we know only 1 possesses god-like power, the others two "only" being Kage-level. There is however also only one Uchiha who reached god-like power and that is Madara. The MS alone is no near god like and is completely irrelevant to the discussion anyway, the first MS user was Madara and there have only been a handful of them none of whom were average by definition. I'll not even go into your claim that Izanami and Izanagi were widespread and often used which is mathematically impossible considering the cost because even then their use doesn't make someone god-like by any stretch of the imagination. Izanagi for Uchiha who aren't enhanced with Senju DNA can only last for the briefest of time and is merely a panic button that will sacrifice your sight to avoid death. It is a powerful ability but it's not a game changer, an average fighter (assuming an average Ninja CAN use this in the first place) will still be average with it, he will cheat death once lose an eye and still be the same average fighter and what then? Not everybody has a Sharingarm, a body made of Senju wood or a few score of Sharingan on his wall. Quote:
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in other words there were several users and they used it over and over again. case closed? if you don't think rewriting history is godlike then i doubt we can ever agree also, sasuke (fairly new to using MS) took the raikage's arm, was about to take his leg and then most likely beat him and A's a 'kage-level fighter' of course. and do i even need to explain that MS would destroy tsunade? she was utterly useless vs pain (im not saying rinnegan = MS, just an example of how she pales in comparison to these abilities). all she can do is keep healing herself and others so that the MS could tear her apart again Quote:
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