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That's exactly why I don't write fanfiction... that and the fact that I'm not real good at writing... all of them would be filled with "Mary sues".
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2008-09-12, 00:58 | Link #1502 | |
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SoD is definitely useful for those who want to use it. It is not in any way 'correct.'
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You seem to take the "accept as true the premises of a work of fiction, even if they are fantastic or impossible." as a sign that SoD means that we should scientifically explain it. It doesn't. It means what it says: Accept as true the premises of a work of fiction. There is no rationalizing, no scientific explanations, nothing. Reviving the dead is impossible, but if a work of fiction does this, we accept it is true. We don't rationalize it, we simply accept it. The only exception is when such an explanation is given by the work of fiction itself, because in this case it becomes part of the premises, and thus falls under SoD. Any explanation made outside the premises of the series is mere conjecture, and when those explanations contradict the source material, it is a failure of SoD. In this case the Barrier Jackets were an explanation given to us by the source material, thus they become the 'natural' explanation for the events in which characters survive actions they should not have, and according to SoD, are to be accepted as true, even if they are fantastic or impossible. Rejecting the workings of source material on the base that it is physically not possible is a failure of SoD, because you have failed to accept the Barrier Jackets as being true. Quote:
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2008-09-12, 08:32 | Link #1504 | ||
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You ask me why Scientific = Not Fun, ark, but from my perspective I can't figure out for the life of me how you could possibly be having fun by nitpicking at the smallest, most insignificant details.
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2008-09-12, 09:58 | Link #1505 | |||
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Why do you assume the field is easily enhancable. And IIRC, she was supposed to be wearing a helmet but declined. Considering that helmets are not exactly the most comfortable things, I think it'd be reasonable to assume that if barriers were more effective, not many people will bother with helmets. This tells me a lot about them too. Quote:
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2008-09-12, 10:36 | Link #1507 |
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please, arkhangelsk, you're making this a very painful thread to visit. I'd no sooner return mull through the 300-Legion War than to go through this again.
On a separate topic, another Vivio-centric question from me - what were those skills that Vivio was using in the Cradle, and from who did she steal those skills from? Didn't know whether to post this question here or the Q&A thread. Decided on this thread in any case edit: thanks Keroko, once again! Last edited by Nya~n; 2008-09-13 at 01:42. |
2008-09-12, 10:51 | Link #1508 |
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*zooms in the thread faster then Fate in Sonic Form*
Did I hear a Vivio-centric question? Apparently Vivio has the ability to leech spells from people she is spending a lot of time with in a similar way Yami no Sho could, considering she has learned and converted spells from both Nanoha and Fate. |
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Coming from a man who takes the first opportunity to throw physics out the window, I find the hypocrisy amusing.
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2008-09-12, 11:01 | Link #1510 |
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*scratches his head*
I see that all this here turned more and more into a discussion of "what is correct SoD". Well... yeah you wield around Nanoha examples but I somehow fail to see to what this will all lead in the end.
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2008-09-12, 11:07 | Link #1511 | |
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A: Sure, whatever, Ark. I might even keep that vaguely in mind when I write my FanFic. B: No, it can't be! Signum must be able to fly at supersonic speeds. I've basically only got my gut feeling in comparison to your anal-retentive calculations but you are wrong! I'm very happy to accept A. B is a little too much to leave unchallenged. All in good fun, of course, but still too much to take sitting down. |
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2008-09-12, 11:16 | Link #1512 | |
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Also, your 'B' option should end in "Keep your anal-retentive calculations to yourself and let me operate on my own interpretation instead of insisting I'm wrong for not caring about the calculations."
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It would probably be fair to say that without SoD analysis, I'll have left Nanoha behind as soon as Ep26 rolled over. Maybe even before that, given Ep17, you know... But it was fun to constantly discover new bits about the Nanoverse that aren't obvious on casual, informal observation. To see shallow conclusions turned on more detailed thought. To hash out such detailed thoughts with others that are interested. To know the Nanoverse as a world, not just as a anime. Detailed study of the Nanoverse is probably the biggest of the driving forces keeping it alive for me. The fact a lot of the discoveries pointed to a negative direction (lower ranges, lower powers... etc) is frankly a surprise to me, but I can accept them (and is not acceptance the core of SoD?) |
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2008-09-12, 13:48 | Link #1514 | |
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Incidentally, I've read of an optical illusion where for those on the receiving end of incoming fire, the tracers appear to travel slowly at first, and then speed up as they get closer. Even reality has variable bullet speed. Quote:
Some shows, however, tend to be better for analysis; take Frontier; a crapload of stuff known about the mecha has been inferred from observation. We know that the VF-25 has G-limits in excess of +20/-10G due to better inertial dampening and the Ex-Gear system, it can carry external weapons and apparntly has internal micromissiles, and the Armored Pack version has 214 micromissiles, while the basic super pack has round 70-odd micromissiles, it goes on and own. This is because the Frontier studio has been very meticulous about this. Compare it with Nanoha; frankly it's less sensical to analysie visuals too deeply because animators are flawed and will make screwups. Like the vapor trails, which were an animation screwup, or the new micromissiles in Episode 22 are still using the same blast fragmentation effects when they've been stated to be mini dimension eater warheads, which means that they should be using purple wormholes instead. Quote:
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2008-09-12, 18:09 | Link #1516 |
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... Er... how many pages have you guys burned through now with the "rational vs looks cool" debate thing?
Nanoha... SERIOUS BUSINESS. In any case, is there any more info on Vivio, Keroko? Like the picture you posted?
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2008-09-12, 19:39 | Link #1517 |
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Wow .... OK, umm... When I was last on here It was Mages = Jet fighters and its now Fiction Vs Reality , so What happened ?
Nagumo's right - SERIOUS BUSINESS But I do have a Question. Most likly it was answered but I'm too lazy to go through backlog Ok in S1 when Nanoha had to come up with the look of her Device and Barrier Jacket she just had to Imagine them (Imagination Land... Sorry) , but in S2 and S3 it made as if they had a set design, like when they were damaged, the cartridge system, and the forwards' devices and jackets. Just wondering if its one or the other or a combination of both? or maybe I'm just crazy
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2008-09-12, 20:47 | Link #1518 |
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Probably a combination of both. Or more like... there wasn't any reason for Nanoha's barrier jacket to look like anything besides "what she thought it should look like", and they were in a hurry, so they just did it and went with what they got. With the forwards, they were intentionally trying to look somewhat "uniform", and so they set some of the design in advance (maybe all of it, they aren't clear how much exactly.)
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2008-09-13, 19:37 | Link #1520 |
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Broadband connection failed yesterday...
... anyway, first things first, the translations.
http://arkhangelsk.987mb.com/MGLN/mglnsdic/index.html Done. If someone can tell me whether the links to the pictures work, that'll be most helpful. Also, if anyone wants something else to be translated, please call. Last edited by arkhangelsk; 2008-09-14 at 04:51. Reason: Finished |
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