2013-02-24, 17:43 | Link #7461 |
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And about the time when the Wolkenritter were finally exposed and fleshed out as characters xD
Okay i still have my hopes reasonably up for Curren's upcoming faily party. Hope it won't end up in dissapointment o_o
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2013-02-24, 17:57 | Link #7462 |
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Well, you know what they say about hope being the first step on the road to disappointment...
I'm just keeping my wait and see approach here. I was pleasantly surprised by the last couple of translated chapters, so it seems to pay off. |
2013-02-24, 18:00 | Link #7463 | |
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Well at leas some are having a good time. To be fair Cypha and Signum's fight willl be nice, if short.
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Kudos to Curren and her family for having such survival instincs but doesn't mean they're the same as the Wolks and the Cyborg, the Wolkenritter lived their lives in eternal guilt over their actions and immediately stopped at the first cahnce they had to do so. The Hucks keeps on rejecting help selfishly encased on the stubborn idea they're unsalvageable. The Cyborgs (the younger ones at least) are yet another case in that they didn't have full concepts of morale, or what's good and bad, the older ones follow Jail with undying loyalty seeing him as their creator. Of all the evildoers in the Nanohaverse the Huckebein family is probably the one with the most freedom and will on their actions. Their freudian excuse is there but it's also weaker to justify some of their desicions. Redemption is possible but i really expect something different this time, they won't surrender to "kindness" as easily as their predecesors xDU Quote:
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For the things expalined above i can't buy the Huckebein are repainted Wolkenritter/Cyborgs. Heck, even the Cyborgs and The Wolkenritter are widely different from each other xDU
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2013-02-24, 18:29 | Link #7466 |
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@Aki, no one said the Huckkebein were the exact same as the Wolkenritter and numbers. Also, you kept saying they are rejecting help. Who is offering them help? SS6 views them as a criminal organization, and want to apprehend them by whatever's necessary. Thoma is working with them right now.
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2013-02-24, 18:34 | Link #7467 |
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Fate did the offer, Signum (albeit not in the nicest of ways, i admit) did the same ...twice. Hayate and the control bridge of the Wolfram did it as well.
Patience is something Hayate can't afford after her first offering were ignored and the Hucks attmept to endanger many innocent lives. In that sense, she's on Lindy's role right now, even if she would like to cut some slack and be nicer to the Hucks she have the responsabilities of a commander now and her utmost priority is to prevent the Hucks from endagering more lives, after that make them stop further commiting crimes and THEN she can be all sugar and smiles if she wants. I don't think that will be the case here if we mantain our focus on discussing on-topic matters and refrain from getting personal. As Kaijo said, we all have our own opinnion and i'm perfectly okay with that. I give my reasons and supposrt material (if any) and i expect the same when someone gives a counter-argument xD
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And it won't be until Thoma, that the Hucks begin to change. "Even a weapon can learn to love and laugh kindly" can become "Even a poison that will destroy the world, can learn to laugh and live kindly." ...kinda. |
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2013-02-24, 20:04 | Link #7469 | |
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Signum with Cypha: She told Cypha to remain still and disarm for apprehension or it will be done by force on their first encounter. I've only seen a raw for the second encounter, and can't make out what they say. Hayate and Stella: Stella was the one who made the transmission and basically told SS6 to ignore her and the other Huckebein, that there are bigger problems than them out there and the fact SS6 is acting in unadministered space in the first place. Hayate continued to chase them without offering any kind of promise of safety or help once captured. She also said criminal activities outweigh the restriction of acting in unadministered space, basically saying they'll act on ther own disregarding regulations.
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2013-02-24, 20:12 | Link #7470 |
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But on those notes the SD6 represents the law and the Hückebein family just pretends to be above it and let alone despite their continuous amounts of crimes with Stella even treating to attack bases and kill other mages. Not even wanting to talk and pretending the others listen.
DeVille should really stand down if he didn’t want to fight unnecessary, but then again he doesn’t even pretend to listen. Stella does the same and Cypha and Signum pretty much repeat their scenes in the second encounter Signum ask Cypha to come with her so she can explain herself three times and the other refuses.
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2013-02-24, 20:30 | Link #7471 |
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@Kaijo
I'm actually mostly agreed with most of what you posted. It mostly comes down to me thinking Tohma isn't trying hard enough, or more accurately, his approachin is too soft and carefree for the kind of people he's trying to change. Well, also that and the fact i think it's lazy to cut all groups of antagonists with the same scizors ..but my reason were already explained and i don't want to be too redundant. @Kurohane You're conveniently forgetting Stella also badmouthed Hayate and threatened her, the commanding officer of Section Six, with murder. She's a child so normally that wouldn't be that big of an issue but she just happen to be a member of a renowed group of paychos for hire xDU Also, the Wolkenritter surrended their old ways over the six months they lived with Hayate ...that was the main reason Nanoha and her friends managed to get out alive from their first confrontation xDU Fate wasn't even "bad" since the beginning, she disabled Nanoha and gave her a friendly warning to not get in her way o_o
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2013-02-24, 21:35 | Link #7472 | |
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2013-02-24, 21:41 | Link #7474 |
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No is not. The Hückebein family is different point as rather evil compare to the others in a more direct manner. Simple fact the Hückebein kill TSAB agents, innocent people and whatever they feel like killing just because. The others didn’t. Even the Numbers in all their inglorious acts didn’t kill that much. When attacking the main base they use knockout gas on the TSAB forces.
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2013-02-24, 21:54 | Link #7475 |
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Actually, the Huckebein usually made it a point to not operate in Bureau-controlled space, and thus its unlikely for them to kill Bureau agents, and beyond that we don't know who they kill besides the targets of their missions. We simply don't know how the Huckebein family goes about for killing for the Eclipse infection. So we can't say they attack innocent people "just because".
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2013-02-24, 21:57 | Link #7476 | ||
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Keep in mind, we never actually got a body count on the number of people the cyborgs killed. We know they killed some people when Zest, Megane, and Quint's unit found one of their bases. And we know some died during the peace conference, the Einherjer attack, and the Cradle attack. But we know it had to be quite a few. |
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2013-02-24, 22:09 | Link #7477 | |
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On a serious note as far as I know nobody died in any attack from the Numbers beyond Zest unit. We are never told the number of victims and we never see her directly murder someone. But on that note the befriend in StrikerS was stupid and simple on its own rights, when it was done off camera and with minimal characters for the evil ones. Now here, we are still dealing with poor characterization, really evil attitude from the Hückebein and the entire angle of be friends with them is hold by Thoma when everyone else is trying to tell him he is an idiot and he really doesn’t even have real answers for this beyond “I just something I do”. So no, nothing like previous seasons really. Is similar enough, I will give you that, but is made as a lazy effort like if the author almost doesn’t care.
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