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Alto x VF 171 | 32 | 12.31% | |
Ozma x Bobby | 13 | 5.00% | |
Ranka x Sheryl | 42 | 16.15% | |
Sheryl x Alto | 199 | 76.54% | |
Yasaburo x Alto | 5 | 1.92% | |
Ranka x Ai-kun | 38 | 14.62% | |
Alto x Klan | 14 | 5.38% | |
Ranka x Alto | 54 | 20.77% | |
Ranka x Brera | 37 | 14.23% | |
Klan x Michael | 101 | 38.85% | |
Ozma x Cathy | 111 | 42.69% | |
Luca x Nanase | 41 | 15.77% | |
Wilder x Monica | 41 | 15.77% | |
Alto x VF25 | 37 | 14.23% | |
Yasaburo x Alto's father | 10 | 3.85% | |
Alto x Brera | 18 | 6.92% | |
Grace x Ranka | 12 | 4.62% | |
Nanase x Ranka | 21 | 8.08% | |
Sheryl x Klan | 24 | 9.23% | |
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2008-06-14, 10:21 | Link #162 | ||||
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Alto was using Ranka as bait!? Lets no make Alto into some kind of ass which he definitely is not. I agree that if Tom, Dick or Harry was in place of Ranka he still would have help them. That doesn't change the fact that Tom, Dick or Harry would have been a reason he did it in the end. I'm not associate ever reason he does something to her just the one she plays a part in. Not the whole reason but still a reason. You ignoring her being a reason is pointless. Quote:
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2008-06-14, 10:24 | Link #163 | |
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2008-06-14, 11:15 | Link #164 |
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Absolutely, classic tsundere right there.
The only other character that might be tsundere as well is Cathy. It's funny because I would have thought Sheryl was going to be the tsundere character of the show, but when you look at it from the professionalism point of view the whole case for her being tsundere just falls apart. |
2008-06-14, 11:15 | Link #165 |
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Quite possibly. He's shown a softer side to both Ranka and Sheryl but this doesn't mean that he in anyway enjoys or is amused by any of Sheryl's escapades. This enjoyment is either not there or hidden so deep down that he choses instead to avoid getting involved with her often. This doesn't mean have fun at times with her or hates her it could just be that he's not compatible with her. We have yet, in my opinion, seen enough about Alto to say which girl he finds more ideal for himself. That a lot of people prefer Sheryl has nothing to do with him.
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And I am not ignoring her, I said she was an added bonus. She was just not necessary. Quote:
And in case you've forgotten, while SMS is a privately run military organization, it still falls under the NUNS. Quote:
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I think you don't understand the relationship between a private military company and the military. They often leased out to the military to do certain jobs and in such under their jurisdiction when in war zones but their equipment and weapons are entirely paid by them. PMC's are almost always generally better funded and equipped because of their willingness to do more high risks jobs and more private escort missions for money. They have VF-25 because the company which makes them most likely wants to test them out in real combat situations and to get feedback from them. The military doesn't own the VF-25 either SMS does or the parent company but mostly certainly SMS takes all the cost of replacing or fixing them. Quote:
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2008-06-14, 13:51 | Link #169 |
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He could always return it another day (alternatively, he'd be dead and then what would he care about what the alleged 'bitch' thinks?). Instead, he risks his job (and with SMS being drafted, risks being court-martialed as he's supposed to be on standby for their mission) to return what as far as he knew was just a stupid piece of junk to Sheryl and stick around to give her moral support after seeing her outburst on television. Clearly, Alto doesn't just see Sheryl as just a nuisance he is forced to suffer.
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Excessive use of SDF analogies to predict the future makes my head hurt.
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Similarily, Ranka's reaction to finding out about Alto's past has to do with the fact that he didn't tell her about it. Alto is a closed book to her, and she knows very little about him as a person. This is one of the reasons why Ranka's interest in Alto comes across as more of a crush; she doesn't want to 'lose' Alto to another girl, but she doesn't know the first thing about him yet. The cart comes after the horse. Quote:
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I don't think that Ranka's presence ruined the scene so much as she mirrored the audience reaction. I leapt out of my chair, breathed an "Uso~!" and proceeded to rewatch the scene endlessly to see if it really was true. Once I had confirmed it, I took commemorative screenshots and made animated gifs. Quote:
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I think the point here is not whether or not Ranka had some sort of an impact on Alto's piloting. There's nothing in the story as of yet that says that he pilots specifically for her sake. But can you tell me what this issue has to do with romance? Let's say for the sake of the argument that you could successfully prove your point. What on earth could you conclude from it? |
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2008-06-14, 14:21 | Link #172 |
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Quick break from work whoo hoo!
As a writer, I try and look at a show, and figure out what direction the writers and directors are trying to go with each character. One has to look at each character and look at where they stand, where they want to go, and where they are really going. I'll focus on the big 3 and what I see after more than 1/3 of the show. Alto: A young man who is somewhat haunted by his Kabuki(sp?) past, and non-relationship with his father. He's in the pilot cadet program at the academy, and is second in his class(behind Michel correct?). He's shown with his paper airplanes, and always looking up at the sky, that his true passion is flying. He complains about feeling suffocated inside Macross Frontier, and yearns to be free. He also has a bit of a reckless side, that I would say is both because of him being a teenager, but also because of his 'needing' to prove to everyone else(and himself), that he is his own man, and that he is serious about flying and being free. He also doesn't open up about his past, or what he's thinking. What are the possible goals for him throughout the series, and for the end? Here's my thoughts on this. 1) Finding out exactly why he and his father don't talk anymore. Why he's completely dropped the Kabaki namesake and anything to do with acting. Will he reconsile with his father? Will he return to acting as a side hobby/job when he's not flying? 2) He's still young and rash, and needs to mature and grow up. His recklessness, while able to get through certain situations, it also gets him into other possibly deadly situations. Characters in his position generally have to get over their immature and recklessness, and become eventual leader/ace/adult. His experiences in the series will force him to mature and age, and become a more balanced person. 3) He's shown absolutely no interest in relationships and love at the beginning of this story. One can assume(and I think rightfully so), if he's receptive at all to the females who will try and reach for his heart, that he will eventually find out what love is, and what it's like to love someone. I think Basara loved singing far more than anything else, and has the least chances of finding love as a main character in the Macross Universe, but I believe Alto has shown some reaction to both Ranka and Sheryl(blushing, smiling from his first encounter with Ranka, and the kiss on the cheek from Sheryl in episode 5, etc). I believe even if he doesn't end up with one female, that there will be focus on him experiencing love. I think Ranka and Sheryl will be both responsible for this, though in their own ways(we know where I stand on who he should end up with at this point in the story, but I don't deny Ranka's role) I think all three of these points will be his main focus throughout the story. Ranka: 1) She is a young girl with a sad past. Her family was killed 11 years before, and she's being raised by an ex-military fighter pilot who has become a brother to her. Thanks to her mind blocking out those events of the past, she hasn't dealt with her past yet, and will need to become stronger mentally, so that she can finally move on and look to the future. 2) She has dreams of being like Sheryl. She loves to sing, and she wants others to hear her sing. She's alot like Lynn Minmei here, however, she's more grounded and humble as a person. How she becomes a star, and how she changes as a person because of it(does she stay grounded, or does she become like Lynn Minmei, or end up with a fake persona like Sheryl showed in the beginning episodes?). 3) At the start, she is a 14/15 year old girl, who has no thoughts on love and relationships, beyond that of what any typical young teenager girl might have. Right now, she only sees thinks in how they relate to her. Examples are of how she always talks about her brother won't let her do this, she wants to do that. She thinks this. She wishes that. She's all about herself. Not in a selfish way exactly, just that she hasn't really had a chance to grow up yet, and see what other people are going through around her. This will also be a focus as time goes on I believe. She will learn to be receptive to the people around her, and react accordingly(Luca in the restaurant, giving Alto and Ranka space is a prime example of someone who is aware). 4) Ranka doesn't know what love is. Or I should say, she hasn't fallen in love yet, so she hasn't really dived deep into what it is, and how it is. Her experiences with Sheryl and Alto, are both different, and similar. On one hand, Sheryl is this famous star that she strives to be. A goal for her as a career you can say. Alto, immediately becomes like a big brother to her. Offering advice, listening to her complain, helping her find herself, and her direction. She looks up to him in this way for the most part(it's obviously changing and going to continue to change as she changes, and she experiences different interactions with Alto and Sheryl). At the same time, she cares about both of them, and even if none of them had feelings for each other, I could see the three of them being good friends. I see Ranka seeing love and friendship very, very differently, by the end of this series, thanks to Sheryl and Alto. The Love Triangle will also force her to move at a pace that in a normal life, she wouldn't have had to do quite so quickly. I guess you could say point 4 is interwoven with point 3, but it deserves it's own discussion in my opinion. Sheryl: She is the biggest superstar in the Macross: Galaxy colony. Extremely confident and arrogant of her own abilities, she prefers to rely on herself, rather than rely on others. She has no family, and her manager is probably her closest friend. Her earrings are keepsakes of a mother she doesn't remember, but they are precious to her. She has no real friends, and is all business. 1) Like Alto, she has an inability in the beginning, to open up to others. She comes across defensive, professionally cold, outright bitchy to some. As she befriends Alto, Ranka, Michel, Luca, Nanase, and others, she will learn to open up, and not have to keep a wall up between her and the rest of humanity. She is SHERYL NOME(sp?) the Super star. But she's also, Sheryl Nome, the woman, the girl, someone who needs interaction with others, though she doesn't realize it at the beginning. She will fall back down to Earth so to speak, thanks to Ranka and Alto, in a good way. 2) Just as she needs interactions with others, she also knows nothing of love or family. Dependant on no one, she will find herself with unknown emotions(to her), as she spends time, and interacts with Alto, that she won't get with anyone else in the series. Is it love? Is it feelings a Master has for a slave(haha sorry just a joke ). Not only will she learn the value of friendship, but she will learn the benefits in relying on one person emotionally, physically, mentally. Someone she can break down infront of. Someone she can confide in on even embarrassing things. Someone who can make her feel as someone other than the super star, and touches her heart. What started as just teasing, and a possible friendship with Alto, is quickly accelerating past that, to something more intimate and deep. Whether there will be a happy romantic ending for her, considering the war, Alto's feelings, and Ranka's own participation in this love triangle, only the writers truly know. Okay I kept having to come back to this message over the past 2 hours, and didn't go back and re-read through it, so I'm sure it's a mess, but I pray I did a fair write up on all three characters, and what directions I see the director/writers need to go with them. Since they are obviously the big three in this story, the main focus will be about them, their life experiences, and how they change from the beginning, to the end of this journey. Please correct me in anything that you feel is twisted, false, or just mistaken. Thanks. Will |
2008-06-14, 14:35 | Link #173 |
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That's a pretty good analysis of the 3. I don't have any issues with what you got there.
You might want to address the pushing and motivating forces Sheryl places on Alto's and Ranka's character development as I do believe that is a key part to the triangle. edit - I do want to add that currently Ranka's position is interesting in that Sheryl's presence has had a catalyzing effect at the 2 major turning points in her story (Miss Macross/singing and accepting the role of Mao) while at the same time Ranka draws strength and support from Alto to see her through those uncharted paths. Last edited by cerrian; 2008-06-14 at 14:48. |
2008-06-14, 14:36 | Link #174 |
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As an author's note to my post, I thought if we dive into the points I made a little more closely, we'll begin to see what is a more likely outcome to the current S/R/A love triangle. Looking at the original SDF-Macross would net you a similiar path and ending. Hence why I put all of the points in the romance thread, as I thought it would be easier to flesh out what directions and approaches the director and writers might take, and what possible endings would make the most sense.
In short, I think Ranka's going to have a bitter sweet memory of Alto and her singing career, and Sheryl will still retain her singing career(possibly scaled down), but gain Alto in the end. I believe the more people dive into this story, the characters, and consider the way the writers/director have done things so far, it will strengthen my argument more and more. Not that they won't throw a monkey into the mess, however if there is some constents that appear in the story, it's an almost foregone conclusion to me. |
2008-06-14, 14:41 | Link #175 |
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Solid analysis on all three main characters. Hopefully the series will give each of them more depth in the remainder of the season. MF is really turning out to be my favorite series this season, and hopefully it will grow the characters in the area you outlined so aptly.
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2008-06-14, 14:47 | Link #176 | |
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As Sheryl spends more and more time with Alto, and tries to get him out of his shell(infront of Ranka in many instances), Ranka will be forced to compete somehow for Alto's attention in that regard. Ranka's already finding it harder to spend time with Alto with Sheryl involved now, and it will get worse as she dives further into her singing/acting career. Alto too, as he becomes more comfortable around Sheryl, and opens up to her more, Ranka will see the changes in him(she has to at some point?), and will start getting desperate to grow up so that she can understand him better(Sheryl has a head-start mentally IMO). Sheryl and Alto's interactions, whether Ranka sees them, or imagines them, will push her to change. If Sheryl wasn't in the picture, things would move far slower for Ranka, both in career, and in love, but instead of having her whole life to get both, she is running out of time for one(in her eyes). I see this as how Sheryl pushes Ranka along. She doesn't really push Ranka very much in my opinion when it comes to her singing. A sentence here, a sentence there, I think Alto and Sheryl have equal parts in motivating and pushing Ranka towards her goal, just from different angles. Sheryl pushes Alto in several ways. Her constant teasing and forcing him into things, is opening up a world he's not experienced. I doubt he's gone anywhere with a girl by himself, before Sheryl's little date. I also doubt he's so much as looked at another girl's sex appeal until Sheryl gave him an eyeful( ), the 'joke' about him using that memory for that night's motivation (), how she forces him to see her feminine features, it's probably the most he's ever thought about in his entire life. Whether he wants it or not, Sheryl is forcing him to look at love and relationships, when he'd never had it cross his mind. Even if she's not intentienally doing it(or even knowingly), the way she is always aggressive towards him(in many ways and for many things), she's throwing a monkey wrench into his whole thinking on life. Even if for some reason he doesn't hook up with her in the end, she will be directly responsible for him even getting into a relationship during this 25 episodes. As she will also be the reason why Ranka will pursue Alto with some aggression in her own way. Sheryl is the catalyst for Ranka and Alto, not to mention herself, in discovering love. None of these three were looking for love, weren't thinking about love, weren't considering love, until now. Sheryl is the active force for all three of them. |
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2008-06-14, 14:53 | Link #177 | |
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All three characters are just so loveable in their own way, and many of the side characters are very interesting as well. I've been waiting for a show like this for a long time. |
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2008-06-14, 15:03 | Link #178 | |
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BTW, excellent follow-up analysis. I think Sheryl as catalyst theory is spot on. Then again, I always have a soft spot for tsundere female mains (Madoka anyone?), so go figure. On a side note, so far I find the three mains in MF much more likeable than the three mains in original Macross... Anyone feels the same way? |
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2008-06-14, 15:08 | Link #179 | |
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As for the original three, I thought Rick/Hikaru was an idiot, Minmei was a b#$# from beginning to end, and Lisa/Misa, got the short end of the stick. She got stuck with a loser, when she should have gotten a guy who wasn't hung over some air-head 16 year old singer. These were my thoughts when I was 6, and they are my thoughts now, when I'm 28. Lisa will always be one of my top characters in anime, and I don't see that changing. However, as a whole, I believe the main 3 in this series, is vastly superior to the big 3, in the original Macross series. |
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2008-06-14, 15:10 | Link #180 |
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Okay, random thinking as I haven't sat down and watched the show today, but my mind wanders like this so bear with me.
Remember when Sheryl went and kissed Alto on the cheek? Check the background. The light seemed to get brighter at that moment, as if the sun was focusing it's rays all around them as it went down. Another note, is they seem to love playing BGM when Sheryl and Alto do something together, yet there's hardly anything, when Alto and Ranka are together. Am I reading too much into this, or does it seem like even the animators and musical staff, give more flair to this pairing, than the Alto/Ranka pairing? Will(always open to criticism) |
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