2014-03-16, 14:56 | Link #341 |
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I would imagine the same would go for the Ukrainians. 60% turn out is probably the best you can expect and even that's a HUGE stretch since you NEVER get everyone out to vote or find 100% of an ethnic group agreeing on something.
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http://en.itar-tass.com/world/723832 Turnout at referendum in Crimea to exceed 80% – Crimean information minister http://en.itar-tass.com/world/723814 Referendum in Crimea conforms to standards of international law – Serbian observers http://en.itar-tass.com/world/723809 Well, anyway. What's done is done... What once was happy... You know the song.
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2014-03-16, 15:46 | Link #343 | |
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The number just increased to 95.5% btw. I didn't realise they'd be using decimal points. Fancy. XP
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2014-03-16, 17:07 | Link #346 | |
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2014-03-16, 19:57 | Link #347 | |
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Though really. With the way that international observers and press were getting bounced around, this shouldn't exactly be all that surprising. And it's not like Putin has remotely bothered to keep any shady activity on the down low.
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I think the comparison to the recent North Korean vote (while a bit hyperbolic) is still quite apt. Voting under the threat of Russian troops and only giving 2 options that either way result in Russian Annexation is no vote at all.
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2014-03-16, 22:53 | Link #349 |
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No, the threat for the people who votes "No" is not the troops that are seizing Crimea. After all, with the large number of journalists there, imagine the tommorow headline: "Russian soldier shot civilian"
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I find all these nitpicking of number (85% or 92% ) is merely a form of denial because people refuse to recognized the irrefutable fact on the ground: that the MAJORITY of Crimean people are ethnic Russian and they voted to be with Russia.
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From your previous posts, I presume (feel free to correct me) that you think this referendum is rigged and people are scared into voting by the presence of the "polite people".
However, this is hardly the picture the western media are trying to paint. An interview of Crimean woman from BBC (go to the page to see the video interview). http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26604096 Quote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/17/wo...m.html?hp&_r=0 Quote:
Hypothetically, what if the vote is indeed 75% and not 90% if you count all people? Do you think that invalidates everything? Or do you believe the referendum itself should never be held in the first place?
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2014-03-17, 06:15 | Link #358 | |
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"The referendum is irrelevant, but because we say there is a high turnout it means Putin won"? Since when did turnout numbers matter when there is nothing to vote for? And since when did the numbers given out ever being trustworthy when nothing else is? This is almost as stupid as caiming the "unmarked soldiers" not been Russian because they refuse to identify themselves. To tell me to swallow blatant lies is insulting.
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