Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Archived Discussion

[Hokoga]

Originally Posted by Flere821

fujin found it, but here's the post I made about it a while back.

Was that summary from the web novel?

[Ultragunner]

pointless things? like discussing whether the characters suit certain tropes and archetype?
As I recall, the old DxD thread was closed because people started posting like crazy with no discretion, they even put bizarre tags on (especially after vol 12) such as "weapon NTR", "breast sucking"...etc....,

But I do agree that we shouldn't bring stuffs like real life politics into this.

@Tom Bombadil: how "absurdly stereotypical" did they. say? I'm kina intrigued, if they did see it that way then I wonder how they view the ordinary, wussy, nothing special protagonists that we all see everywhere?

[Lucarion]

Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil

I was watching a compilation of promotion ads for the new spring shows, and this caught my attention, mostly because how the Chinese audience mocked its world views and the absurdly stereotypical protagonist. Some claim that they will watch it purely for the flame wars between the viewers. Won't that be fun.

Stereotypical protagonist?

I see...

And what world views?

[Tom Bombadil]

Originally Posted by Ultragunner

@Tom Bombadil: how "absurdly stereotypical" did they. say? I'm kina intrigued, if they did see it that way then I wonder how they view the ordinary, wussy, nothing special protagonists that we all see everywhere?

Here is one of the reviews :
http://www.lightnovel.cn/thread-721865-1-1.html

Spoiler for Chinese original:

当龙珠悟空一开始就是超4状态，并且出现的最强敌人也只是比克大魔王，这就是本小说大致实力对 比。

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Spoiler for translate:

If Goku started at super saiyan 4 at the beginning of Dragon Balls, and the most powerful enemy he ever faces is Piccolo, that is how the power level works in this series.

Edit: I'll translate this part, too.

Spoiler for Chinese:

如果有要准备看魔劣的，设定就别去看了，难以理解不说，还没有用，你只需要知道大爷可以秒对面就可以了，任 何阴谋在大爷的推理分析下都不攻自破（不要找伏笔，基本没有的），如果要知道大致剧情你只需要留意大爷的那 部分就行了，所有信息最后都会汇聚到大爷这里，不要尝试去分清那几句是谁说的，当人多的时候，但是你还很容 易分清大爷的，基本那就是剧情关键了。

Spoiler for Translate:

If you plan to read this novel, don't bother to read the expository of settings, as they are perplexing and useless. Keep only this in mind : Tatsuya can instant kill his opponents; all secret plotting or scheming will become unravelled by Tatsuya's logical reasoning (Don't bother to look for clues, since there are none). To keep track of the plot, pay attention only to the Tatsuya parts, since all plot lines will converge to him. Don't bother to tell who says what, especially since there are a lot of characters. But you can tell Tatsuya from them, that is the key to know your plot line.

Probably a bit harsh, but the reviewer did summarise the volumes and commented on them. I only translated the conclusion part.

[Lucarion]

Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil

Here is one of the reviews :
http://www.lightnovel.cn/thread-721865-1-1.html

Spoiler for Chinese original:

当龙珠悟空一开始就是超4状态，并且出现的最强敌人也只是比克大魔王，这就是本小说大致实力对 比。

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I see.

Goku's got nothing on this MC. He's Shiva. He can probably dust Goku before he says "KA". But I wouldn't say his most powerful enemy is Picollo level as there's still a lot we don't know about this universe and we know there's about 12 others guys capable of similar OP shit and probably 50 of them all over the world. And the story makes it clear that being able to kill anyone doesn't always solve your actual problems.

The OPness is intentional.

[ChuckE]

Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil

Here is one of the reviews :
http://www.lightnovel.cn/thread-721865-1-1.html

Spoiler for Chinese original:

当龙珠悟空一开始就是超4状态，并且出现的最强敌人也只是比克大魔王，这就是本小说大致实力对 比。

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lol

if only there were manga with a lot of chapters with such protagonist

[Ultragunner]

then there will be enemies that are beyond even the like of Bu

but oh well, they've got the fundamental mistake when compare this to Dragon Ball or any fighting shounen series out there

I think the better analogy would be Tatsuya being "Dark Superman". "Dark Superman" means he's pretty much invincible (although it has been made clear that it isn't the case), but he's not fighting for the justice-crap. He's no hero, yet not a villain with a cliched goal like "destroy humanity, consume all life"...etc...In addition, we do have Lex Luthor (I'm talking to you, Koichi ) lurking around and he's clearly not a friend of 'Dark Superman"

[Galacticichi]

Originally Posted by Vocah

I disagree. A good adaption will be 1-4 and maybe 5.

I think this is the best way to adapt MKnR because if they try and incorporate vol 6 then they will have to add vol 7 as well. Then that's 3 eps for each volume which doesn't seem quite right. Plus from the PVs it seems they will be adding flashbacks to vol 8 or at least young Tatsuya using MB.

If they do stretch to vol 6 they could cliff hang and/or lead into another season.

Also, on the official website they have character designs for the MCs and Masaki and George and no one else. They might just not want to post any more characters, or the show doesn't go further than the Nine Schools Competition therefore all characters afterwards won't have designs because they haven't been introduced yet. I know it's a weak theory but it's worth mentioning I think.

[Ultragunner]

how come there are only 3 eps/ vol if they do try to adapt 6 vols in a 26 episode series?

take Log Horizon for example, they adapt 5 vols into 25 episodes while there are occasional dragging in several eps. There are a lot of things that you can cut from the LN that will not really undermine the story or the characters

for the MB at the beginning, I think that's just for an impressive opening into the series, AND it could serve as the teaser for further materials like OVAs or even a movie (which is the best IMO)

[Galacticichi]

Originally Posted by Lucarion

I see.

Goku's got nothing on this MC. He's Shiva. He can probably dust Goku before he says "KA". But I wouldn't say his most powerful enemy is Picollo level as there's still a lot we don't know about this universe and we know there's about 12 others guys capable of similar OP shit and probably 50 of them all over the world. And the story makes it clear that being able to kill anyone doesn't always solve your actual problems.

The OPness is intentional.

I'm fully confident that Satou-sensei will introduce opponents who will REALLY give Tatsuya a hard time.

[SilverDestruction]

Thinking about it this way: If they are planning to do the first 4 or 5 volumes only then that would mean Masaki and George would likely appear episode 16/17 or later.

However, their character designs and profiles are already on the main anime website before the anime has even aired. For characters that wouldn't even appear in an anime until 16 or 17 episodes in, is that actually common or not?
If not then I would say this would mean it is more likely we will be reaching the nine school arc earlier and therefore mean more volumes are being adapted.

[Lucarion]

Originally Posted by Galacticichi

I think this is the best way to adapt MKnR because if they try and incorporate vol 6 then they will have to add vol 7 as well. Then that's 3 eps for each volume which doesn't seem quite right. Plus from the PVs it seems they will be adding flashbacks to vol 8 or at least young Tatsuya using MB.

If they do stretch to vol 6 they could cliff hang and/or lead into another season.

Also, on the official website they have character designs for the MCs and Masaki and George and no one else. They might just not want to post any more characters, or the show doesn't go further than the Nine Schools Competition therefore all characters afterwards won't have designs because they haven't been introduced yet. I know it's a weak theory but it's worth mentioning I think.

Or it could mean just the characters on the first half of the show...

Just saying. I expect this to end with Scorched Halloween. We've got 26 episodes. Half of that would cover events up to the 9 Schools Arc. (12-14)We get a couple of new songs, and maybe around that time we'll also get some new promo art.

[Awrya]

Originally Posted by SilverDestruction

Thinking about it this way: If they are planning to do the first 4 or 5 volumes only then that would mean Masaki and George would likely appear episode 16/17 or later.

Or they could appear in the second opening, hinting at the Monolith finals between 1st and 3rd High.

I believe episodes 1-7 will cover the first two volumes, 8-16 Vol.3&4, maybe 17 as Student President election as transition and 18-26 for Vol.6-7.

[Echizen777]

For the anime I want them to stop at v07, I think it's enough.

Originally Posted by Galacticichi

I'm fully confident that Satou-sensei will introduce opponents who will REALLY give Tatsuya a hard time.

There are already opponents who can give him an hard time.

Originally Posted by Ultraviolet X

I can't beleive im quoting this post so early.



Ive checked a few sites for the definition, and it does not change. Its simply the interpretation of other people that does. The things that vary depending on the show/book is this part.

- A character who is unrealistic in the fictional world there in.

Read the part where I clarifyed the definition, i tried to make it as simple as possible. Tatsuya has no chance of fitting it. Miyuki on the other hand, is actually debatable. And yes, Bella from twilight does fit, its more obvious after she becomes a vampire.

That;s the problem with the Sue. The original definition is as you said but most of the time people treat a character as a Sue when he is excellent at something nowadays, they don't understand the true definition and those who know it well are generally annoyed.

[anonfr]

I really wish that the anime staff could just up and say "we're covering these specified volumes"

I've wished this more than once. I've wished it many times in fact. One of the problems of watching a series you already read is that you anticipate whether or not it's going to show some of your favorite scenes from your favorite arcs, or where it's going to end versus the things you want to see.

I understand there's probably reasons they won't specify which volumes they cover, like say, people buy all the volumes instead of focusing on what the anime covers to spoil.

But god damn it, I really wish they'd just let us know.

[Lazy cat]

Originally Posted by anonfr

I really wish that the anime staff could just up and say "we're covering these specified volumes"

I've wished this more than once. I've wished it many times in fact. One of the problems of watching a series you already read is that you anticipate whether or not it's going to show some of your favorite scenes from your favorite arcs, or where it's going to end versus the things you want to see.

I understand there's probably reasons they won't specify which volumes they cover, like say, people buy all the volumes instead of focusing on what the anime covers to spoil.

But god damn it, I really wish they'd just let us know.

well at least we can have a good idea of how much it will cover around ep 4 depending on the anime pacing. all i wish is that they do not spend too much time on the enrolment arc, and finish the anime with schrched halloween

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by Lazy cat

well at least we can have a good idea of how much it will cover around ep 4 depending on the anime pacing. all i wish is that they do not spend too much time on the enrolment arc, and finish the anime with schrched halloween

Yeah I agree. The enrollment arc is probably my least favorite arc. I like everything up til the clubs recruitment, but I couldn't really get into the whole Blanche thing. It did a lot to explain the Shiba sibings which I appreciate, but once we got into the 9 schools competition is when I really started to get into this series.

[Echizen777]

They have to adapt Yokohama, they have to. That's the part where magicians other than Tatsuya and Miyuki prove how strong they are.

Before this it's just "Tatsuya and Miyuki are very strong and a few other OP magicians are praised by stomping their peers."
Also the other main characters aren't overshadowed in this arc, even the minor ones, the balance is perfect.
If they leave it for season 2(yes, I am sure there'll be a season 2) it will give me a bad aftertaste.

I hope the Reminiscence parts are just flashbacks and that it will be a movie or something.

[Galacticichi]

Originally Posted by Awrya

Or they could appear in the second opening, hinting at the Monolith finals between 1st and 3rd High.

I believe episodes 1-7 will cover the first two volumes, 8-16 Vol.3&4, maybe 17 as Student President election as transition and 18-26 for Vol.6-7.

Okay this is probably the best way to do it.

I'm unsure about anything because of seeing a Reminiscence flashback in the pv. I doubt there will be just that one and that's fine but then there's really no way to grasp where the anime will end and who knows what else they'll add.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Galacticichi

I'm fully confident that Satou-sensei will introduce opponents who will REALLY give Tatsuya a hard time.

I'm not. So far (12 volumes in?), it reads like a kid's power fantasy. "See how my character is strong, how nothing phases him, how he's always right". At least there hasn't been a full blown "see how girls throw themselves at him", but that's all. Every obstacle he's faced has proven pretty trivial in the end. Except one instance when he was a kid.