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Old 2019-09-21, 15:47   Link #1
Akito Kinomoto
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The most confusing aspect about the state of firearms in the U.S. is the country's inability to enact even basic firearm reform. Congressmen and senators are employed by the citizenry and should on paper represent their interests; the proletariat have the power to affect change when they want it, and no amount of financial contributions from NRA leadership or gun manufacturers toward congress would override the will of even the vast majority of the NRA's membership and gun-owning households in the U.S.

Should a denial of progress surface even then. Perhaps it's time for an admission of something fundamentally wrong with the machinations of the U.S. There are no predictions about the future at that point; only bated breath hoping certain events will not come to pass
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Old 2019-09-21, 21:08   Link #2
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The reason people get guns is because they want to protect themselves from other people who have guns. And there's already so many guns in circulation.
The US is broken.

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Old 2019-09-22, 06:33   Link #3
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This one is from March For Our Lives, the group started by the Parkland students.

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Old 2019-09-22, 07:44   Link #4
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The reason people get guns is because they want to protect themselves from other people who have guns. And there's already so many guns in circulation.
The US is broken.

What do you do when cancer has metastasized and entered the circulatory system?

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See, that's the problem; if you feel you need a gun, you are not safe and you need to get out.

Doesn't matter how many firearms you own, the one that shoots first has the advantage. At some point, the myth that guns can protect you had to be shattered. Buying a gun is not a solution, because that implied that you are not safe in your home.
There are those who buy guns because they like guns. But then try to pretend they could be heroes. But we know anyone who doesn't wear a badge, would look like just another shooter.

At this point, the facts on the ground is that Americans are fine with shootings as long as it is done in the hands of their own citizens. Foreigners with guns are obviously terrorism, but Americans shooting Americans is just part of the local culture.
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Old 2019-09-22, 09:44   Link #5
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Americans shooting Americans is just part of the local culture.
That's a flippant and incorrect characterization of the current state of public opinion on guns. I expect to see some Republican senators struggle to win re-election next fall over their party's obstructionism on gun control. The American public is far ahead of Congress on this issue. Independent and Republican-leaning moms are not happy hearing descriptions of lockdown drills from their young children. I expect guns to play an important role in the 2020 general election.

Younger generations are much less likely to own guns, a trend that has persisted since World War II. Now only about a third of American households own a gun. In households headed by someone under fifty, the figure is even lower. And if there is no man present, only about 16 percent own guns.
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Old 2019-09-22, 10:08   Link #6
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Start with using factual arguments instead of emotional appeals.

Also here is a handy primer for the demographics of gun ownership in the US.
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017...gun-ownership/
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Old 2019-09-22, 11:05   Link #7
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The Pew study is based on adults, so it gives a lower rate of ownership than studies that report data for households. I use the General Social Survey from the National Opinion Research Center. While Pew is a high-quality polling organization, they rely on telephone samples. NORC uses a sample of dwellings. It has also been conducted every other year since 1972 so it's possible to follow trends and conduct "cohort analyses" of the kind I report in https://www.politicsbythenumbers.org...ans-and-women/ and earlier articles in my blog.

And "factual arguments" have a lot less effect politically than "emotional appeals." Gun control is an inherently emotional issue. Emotions matter when moms talk with their kids who've been through lockdown drills. Emotions also matter when 2nd Amendment extremists scream NRA propaganda.
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