2010-07-05, 18:25 | Link #121 | |
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I get where you're coming from, though. Strange thing is, I'd use those words as some of the reasons why I couldn't handle Baccano and Durarara. (No offense intended, I know you really like those series. Each to their own) I felt like I was going to hell for watching them. I still feel the scars. Last edited by Last Sinner; 2010-07-05 at 18:51. |
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2010-07-05, 21:45 | Link #122 |
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I hate how most shonen heroes overcome their enemies just by being "Awesome" or "Courageous" but most of all, they have to complete morons on top of it. While some shonen subvert this, mostof the time they need to be idiots in order to be heroes.
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2010-07-05, 21:53 | Link #123 |
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If I have to pick one it would be from a cliche from sport genre. Every time when a player does something special or a technique those side characters that no one cares shout "its the xxx move!". Every time I hear that it annoys me a lot.
Other things that I rather dislike would be perfection. I f**king hate perfect characters and a character with a perfect family. Really make me want to go and ruin their lives .
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2010-07-05, 21:57 | Link #124 | |
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2010-07-05, 22:41 | Link #125 | |
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Though on other hand if the perfect characters are ruined or crushed in the beginning I think it has the potential to be more interesting than a character who is already flawed. But until something like happens I detest them.
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2010-07-06, 13:35 | Link #126 | |
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I can understand at one point why they do it, like show that even the dumb one can achieve something but it is done in completly wrong way. If he/she was an idiot for 12 or more years, how is it possible for them sudenly become something bigger? If it was slower paced, it would make much more sence.
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2010-07-06, 13:39 | Link #127 |
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Oh yea, now that I think about it...
"The Dangerous forbidden technique" that is so dangerous it'll kill you, or you can't use it more than x amount of times. Naturally, this never matters. It's usually just to have people worrying and shouting NOOOO DONT DO IT to waste our time. Bonus points if this technique is never seen or heard of again. This applies to technology in scifi stories.
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2010-07-06, 13:43 | Link #128 |
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^Ah yeh that's too.
Why bother to create one at all or tell about it to anyone? Also a very comon thing in shonen when characters start to openly explain secrets behind their technique to the enemy who usually doesn't make a use out of the given information.
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2010-07-06, 17:00 | Link #129 |
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Haha, I actually like this theme a lot. It is often misused obviously, but the idea of sacrificing your life or well-being to "defeat the bad guys" is very fascinating to me. As is using a limited amount of resource, which creates a strategic dilemma.
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2010-07-06, 18:08 | Link #130 |
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series haters
Oh you all have met at least one! If you've been on the forum for some time, its statistically impossible to not have seen at least one!! You know who I speak of. Its those self centered bastards who have nothing better to do with their lives then come each week and explain to you why YOU should not be having fun. Or why, YOU having fun is WRONG! Or, implying as such. Now, I'm all for having a open mind and accepting simple opinions and criticism in equal measure. But what I see is not criticism, it is narcissism. Criticism would suggest a better way. Criticism would also create a perspective; a complete alternative envision of the work. That's why [fundamentally] criticism was never considered negative (or necessarily negative). Criticism [by definition] may lack any mention of so called flaws, and the writeup will still be considered criticism. This is why its always good to accept criticism for your work. And also why criticism can easily help improve your work. Contrary to popular misconception, there's no hate in criticism. Nor is there any use for it in criticism. But this is the internet. And hate there is! And hate spreads. After all its so much easier to whine then it is to accept what is given. Yes, its so much easier to say "car exhausts are bad!" then it is to come with some alternative creative solution! But hey car exhausts are bad right, since pollution is bad! So my argument is 100% sound and foolproof, right? Of course its WRONG. But who the heck is capable of explaining to them their argument is utter nonsense [to begin with] and goes nowhere. Nobody, that's who! I've affectionately have come to regard these uneducated selfish posts as a "reverse-spoiler," in other words a spoiler which instead of spoiling the future events, instead spoil events [and along with them development] that has come to pass. Lets take K-on. K-on is about Yui and co and how they go from uneventful school life to being a band. Yes, there's no useless male lead. There's no useless pantsu-shots, there's no training; not the cliche "learn it yourself expert-hood in 3 days" anyway. Heck there are plenty of character better then them at what they are trying to do. The characters don't save the world. The characters don't die either. The characters also don't learn any cliche line by the end, and as for lessons in life, everything there is they already know from the get go. And even so. Yui [and the others] get into music, get a guitar, learn to take care of a guitar and manages to learn enough on how to play one to just barely make it though a live performance. They manage to face off numerous real life headaches such as logistics, schedules, school [to name just a few of their numerous fears] and all in all just keeping everything together (barely). While at the same time, dealing with each characters personal issues (as best they can). And even though all that the show still keeping true to the "laid back comedy" aspects; which yes it may not be the slap stick 5 second chibi or over-exaggeration moment we're used to these days, but it sure as hell leaves a nice impression on you (unlike most cheap humor, that sacrifices and seriousness in the show). So what do people do when you have a show that's not plot-holed cheeze? Why they invent new cursewords of course! In the case of K-on [and others] the new magic word of the year is "moeblob" or "moe show." And whats the crime? Apparently "cute girls doing cute things" is the crime. As if, in the past 20 damn years there haven't been ANY cute girls doing cute things! But I guess the "laws of the internet," like normal laws, only look forward (even when they are backwards). And so, with the advent of new methods [and stupidity], the troll war effort moves on.
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2010-07-06, 19:12 | Link #131 |
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But... But... I like to rag on K-ON! fans... It's my very nature!
I'd be one of those so called narcissists, but dang, everyone is sometimes. Lately I've been compelled to post relentlessly in the Evangelion Rebuild thread simply to rage. I been there so much over the past months it's starting to scare me.
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2010-07-06, 19:21 | Link #132 | ||
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2010-07-07, 02:23 | Link #133 | ||
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It probably didn't help that the show got popular with the "I have to watch it because it's a big title even though I don't like this kind of show" crowd. Quote:
While I believe that the response I've written in response to criticisms have helped me develop really good writing and argumentation skills, I've find myself less and less willing to read potentially "hot" threads over the years - when you feel compelled to write responses that take a couple hours to think up, it takes up an absolutely ridiculous amount of time, which between getting into third and fourth year university courses and getting a girlfriend, I no longer have. Trust me, there's few things that invoke self-loathing like "I can't ask my girlfriend out this weekend because I was arguing on the internet and need to catch up on coursework."
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2010-07-07, 02:34 | Link #134 | |
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2010-07-07, 02:57 | Link #135 | |
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2010-07-07, 07:26 | Link #136 |
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I think that K-On! gets a lot of hate because its pure, 100%, concentrated moe.
That is the entire show, more or less. Now, I'm not saying that to be critical, as I myself tend to like moe. But I'm saying it because, for the moe haters, this show has nothing that can appeal to them. The moe hater really would be better off simply not watching it. Even Clannad, for example, has its non-moe scenes. Scenes, for example, of Tomoya joking around with Sunohara. For the moe hater, these scenes can provide welcomed breaks from the moe-ness. But K-On! is just pure moe from start to finish. One thing I think that we anime fans need to come to grips with is that while we're all anime fans, our tastes and interests beyond that can wildly diverge. Just because an anime series becomes a hit, or a cult classic, doesn't mean that every anime fan will like it, or even that every anime fan should like it. It's not so much as Sturgeon's Law is correct, it's that the personal tastes of many individual people will render 90% of shows unappealing to them. Those 90% of shows aren't necessarily crap, as much as they're simply not for everybody. As the old saying goes, there's no accounting for taste.
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You don't even have a clear definition of the word "moe." I mean how could you, the word itself is by definition a "inexpressible" feeling. Yet here you are waving it around to support your hate this, hate that, hate everything. Quote:
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2010-07-07, 11:32 | Link #138 | |
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Well, we could go into a long discourse about the twisted definition of "manly" some have but frankly its tough to want to waste time with people who don't even have a good definition of that which they hate
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2010-07-07, 12:43 | Link #139 | |
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Yes, K-On! does have a little more going for it than just the moe factor (especially in season 2), but let's not mince words here: the moe in the show is laid on so thick that it's impossible to ignore.
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2010-07-07, 12:56 | Link #140 | |
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Look, it's no mystery that K-ON! is a moe show. There is hardly anything left in the show to appeal to a broader audience without the moe. Yeah we can rustle and play tug-of-war with the definition for pages and pages, but that is quite irrelevant. Most people who have experience with so called "moe" in shows are able to get a general feeling of what makes a moe show, and K-ON! is in general a moe show. Have we finally established that and put that to bed? Good. Anyhow, we already know there is proper edict in having discussions, and that everyone should realize we all really do have different opinions and that insulting people for merely telling their honest opinion of a show is just not acceptable on a forum such as this. But in reality we would not be here on a forum if we were not trying to prove the worth of our opinion to others and find others who share their opinion. You have to have a degree of narcissism when you post here in an attempt to defend your opinion of what is supposedly a form of art. For those who post a lot, episode to episode, whether you LIKE the show or HATE the show, you just express the self-centered aspect of one's self that really everyone has whether they admit it or not. We always just tend to take more notice of the negatives in life.
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