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The only thing i know a single shell from Sturmtiger destroyed 3 Shermans well its a tiger anyway. Last edited by PzIVf3; 2009-04-26 at 01:52. Reason: I forgot to put the pic |
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I said nothing about the scene featured in the show or it's feasibility so it's acutally your reply which is useless since you're talking about shit I never even brought up. Quote:
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Late War Tanks and Tank Destroyers: M36 Jackson: 90mm Gun M26 Pershing: 90mm Gun T-34/85 and SU-85: 85mm Gun T-44: 85mm Gun Purposed Replacements for the Panther and Tiger(E series included): 88mm Ceuntruion Tank: 84mm aka 20 pdr. (completed after the war, but planned fo the tank from the start) Quote:
http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/t3485bg_2.html You Fail World War II Tank Knowledge 101 please consider enrolling in remedial classes. Nonsense the 75mm was an exceptional weapon for it's class, but the 122mm matched it in terms of armor penetration and range easily and it's HE shells where needless to say vastly more effective. (the 88 was also roughly comparable but not really better). Is it impressive the Germans got nearly the same penetration out of a much smaller weapon sure? Does that matter, not really no.
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2009-04-26, 06:14 | Link #45 |
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Regardless if it's based off a concept or not it's still going to be the same bloody tank whether you like it or not and I for one love the design of it.
Instead of trying to compare everything from the game, manga and anime to real life, why not just try appreciating it in it's own universe.
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Prototype means first type; the first example of a new design that will be used to refine the design for mass production - for instance the XM1, the YF-22 and YF-23, X-32 and X-35. Quote:
Though to be fair, German tanks in WW2 were pimpin'. And they had some good doctrine. The problem was that German engineers overengineered each tank making them expensive and complicated to maintain, and changed the production lines each time a new model was made, so that there was absolutely NO economy of scale and interchangeability of parts. (Unlike say the F-35, which has 75% parts commonality between the A, B and C variants, or the Super Hornet, which has 80% parts commonality with earlier Hornets).
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But, your utterly demeaning statement of Wittmann learning life is not a video game that got my nerves. What does his exploits have to do with learning life is not a video game? Please tell me? Sorry kid, he will never need you to tell him that life is not a video game. He knows it way better than you will ever do. Quote:
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Sure, in theory, the 122mm sounded great, fine and dandy, but if the Panther is fighting it on equal terms, then having a 122mm might not matter all that much. So does it matter, yes, yes it does. It simply goes to show that bigger is not always better. Quote:
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Spoiler for CV9040:
This is the Swedish CV9040 IFV using the Bofors 40mm L70 gun. Naval guns, of up to 127mm caliber, can do similar rates of fire (it's said the 127mm gun on the Kongo and Atago-class Aegis DDGs can do 6-round burst). It can be done with a 40mm. It's only a matter of time before they do it with a 120mm tank gun. Quote:
So I'll point you to the youtube vids above of the CV9040 in action. That's 40mm. And while the CV9040 is a "mere" IFV, the upscaling potential is obvious and logical. It's only a matter of time before someone makes 90mm and then 120mm rapidfire tank guns. Quote:
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But yes, I'm rather surprised myself at this first statement I agree with you wholeheartedly. Mind you, in the end this is all untimately pointless;full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
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But, over the internet, its hard to tell, isn't it. I'd wait for him to clear up. Quote:
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The Bofors 40mm on the other hand, is a AA gun. If it doesn't fire fast, then well Now, do I not believe that naval weapons can access a higher rate of fire? Absolutely not. However, to me, comparing naval weaponry to that of tank weaponry with obvious glaring disparity in associated hardware seems to be an exercise of comparing apples to grapes. - Tak
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Also, the Bofors 40mm is an AA gun by its rate of fire and ammo. Swap the appropriate ammo in and it's configured for land combat. (I dare you to tell me that any of the ammo types shown in that demo vid are AA rounds.)
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I seen now any modern MBT western tank has no autoloader and the russian was the first introduced the autoloader but somehow remove it maybe there is a major disadvantage of the autoloader what if its get hit and disable there's is no possible can fix it right away with cost and maintenance.
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hehe I still kinda think about the Edel as a modern day MBT thats been taken back to a WWII era war to kick arse I mentioned before that a Challenger II comes to mind, not that I'm making any real or accurate comparison just saying. All thats needed is the Edel to have its own BV and they we go
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the primary advantage of having an autoloader is only needing a 3 man crew for a tank
autoloaders on modern tanks are not really faster than a human loader having a fourth pair of hands has other uses as well, especially when you need to fix something |
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Just found a vid how autoloaders work in todays war technology:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ijgn...eature=related The Edelweiss autoloader could maybe be like the one of the Japanese T-90. But to reach a shooting frequency of 2 rounds in 0,5 sec you need an ammo feed charge of a machine gun. But if I look exactly they work I somehow foresee where the malfunctions will occur...
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Anyhow, I see elements of the Panther, King Tiger and Panzer III in the design for the Edelweiss with some artistic license thrown in for good measure. I reckon it's about the same level as a Panther, which was a pretty good tank for its time. The steering wheel inside Edelweiss is a pretty neat touch too. The Tiger IE was one of the first tanks that could be driven like a car (albeit a ridiculously huge one). As another reference to a single tank soloing multiple tanks, look up Ernst Barkmann, and the action known as Barkmann's Corner. It's quite possible to engage multiple tanks given sufficiently good concealment and surrounding terrain to prevent the enemy from outmanoeuvring you. I believe Barkmann is still alive today. |
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As mentioned before, there's also 73 Easting, where 9 Abrams and 12 Bradleys soloed an entire T-72 brigade. Although vastly outnumbered, the American forces under then-captain H.R. McMaster (he was recently promoted to Brigadier General) decimated the Iraqis.
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