Claymore - Requests for new threads

[HegemonKhan]

well, its stated in the manga that miria is simply the best at leadership/team coordination. It specifically says she exceeds a rank 1 in terms of it.

most rank 1-5's are awful at leadership because they are solo-loners-lone wolf claymores. they are so powerful they can handle everything themselves. they hardly ever work with others and so they don't really learn team/group strategy. when you talk about teamwork ability of the rank 1-5's, you have to think ophelia. all rank 1-5's are just like ophelia in terms of interest in teamwork...they have NO interest in teamwork, let alone learning team strategy.

galatea was merely using miata and clarice, she wasn't concerned with keeping them unharmed or alive.

whereas miria was and did the best she could. i mean she had 23 weak claymores (these 23 claymore were certainly no miata's), whom didn't have any experience with awakened ones, to keep alive somehow. she did the best she could have done, especially for only having a single battle against the 3 scout awakened ones to teach all the claymores with no combat experience against awaked ones. yes, she failed horribly, but that's because she lost her 4 captains (thanks to rigald) which are the only ones powerful enough to actually defeat-kill the awakened ones. with any awakened hunting party of 4, it's always the single digit who is the only one who can actually defeat and kill the awakened one. those 3 other claymores are merely distractions to keep the awakened one busy.

don't get me wrong, galatea's quite good-smart (probably mainly due to her yoki sensing powers though), but miria's stated as #1 in terms of leadership. i'd definatly probably rank galatea as #2 (unless there's another claymore who's better, that i can't think of at the moment) in terms of leadership.

irene seemed like a good leader due to her cool calm analytical personality....but she hardly showed any knowledge of team strategy. she is a good leader in terms of controlling her subordinates though. irene just doesn't know anything about team strategy.

don't get me wrong, she was trying to kill the all powerful goddess teresa which was impossible from the start. but, she really didn't use/have any plan or strategy with her team

[revan5]

Originally Posted by Cyclone

You have some nerve to chastise me after purposefully trolling for exactly that kind of response.

"Trolling" for a response? Do you realize how long I've been looking for the perfect Dark Apprentice on this forum? Shiek was a massive failure...hell, his motto is Mr. Goody-Two-Shoes! I remember how I took him on in a debate in which I won by using his own words against him, and then finished with these words, "So, Shiek, now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." (Quick Shiek, identify the movie quote!)

Tragically, it seems my recruitment efforts were mistakenly taken as something else. It seems in my deceitful Sith ways, I "forgot" to tell the test subject that in fact it was a test of his responses to provocation. You could've passively accepted it like one of those weak serene Jedi (cough*Shiek*cough cough), but like me when I see factual inaccuracies, you aggressively countered. In any event I hardly meant to do any real harm to Galatea-sama's image (though I'll defend my idol Miria till death) . I was merely trying to see whether you'd pass the Sith trials.

I started noticing your potential for being my successor when I saw how you said you were going to wash someone's mouth out with battery acid for bad-mouthing Galatea(Big Dark Side approval of those comments). Then of course there was the moment where you told someone to embrace the dark side (I approved of the notion but not of the intent on replacing me as resident Sith Lord).

In fact Cyclone, it's fair to say I haven't seen someone more faithfully "trolling" for Dark Side recruits as much as you. I was wiping tears of joy away from my eyes at your angry response to my words. It contained so much promise I was becoming positively giddy. I was ready to strap a virtual Sith "Medal of Honor" for your efforts until I read the Sith manual, which said I first had to torture you with Force Lightning for a week before doing so. Too bad, but congrats on passing the trial!

With that sharp retort of yours you have proven yourself worthy and shown why I need you out there tearing up the forum with that sharp mind of yours (not to mention doing all those Dark Side battery-acid washes of virtual mouths). Congratulations on becoming my unofficial Sith Apprentice. (P.S.-I'll throw in Shiek's personal Star Destroyer for your official signing bonus)

Originally Posted by Cyclone

Galatea-sama's Agatha plan was alright - was really her only choice anyways. If the Org had sent someone like Raphaela after her instead of those 2 idiots, it would have worked out exactly as she intended too. Similarly her leadership in the fight was Duff was better than anything I've seen from Miria.

As to what Miria could have done in Pieta... again we can look to Galatea-sama for answers. It's simple: quit - en masse. What's the Org gonna do about it? Even Raphaela cannot beat all 24 of them by herself, and with 24 of them, it'll be trivial to have 3 or 4 look outs at all times to keep the rest of the group safe when it's time for a little shut eye.

Actually I think if there was another option Miria and comrades would have taken it. The fact that they didn't probably means that Isley's army was simply too close to escape. In addition, they didn't have enough yoki pills to get all of them away undetected from both sides. They were in the ultimate un-winnable situation: dying at the hands of Isley's Army, or being picked off a couple at a time by Rafaela (no one ever said she'd be dumb enough to take on the whole group when she has stealth on her side!) and eventually being hunted like wild animals by the other warriors of the Organization. I'd personally take a less excruciating path than either of these "lovely" choices and take my chances on faking my death.

Like me, they chose the faster and more immediately lethal route in the hopes that it would save more lives long-term. To me it seems that faking their deaths was both more likely to succeed in the long-run and also allowed them to consolidate and improve their remaining fighting strength. It has allowed them to surprise the Organization, an advantage in the coming war not to be underestimated.

When it comes to Miria, her only failure of strategy was when she was misinformed about the six-armed AB, which was hardly her fault. It should also be noted that when fighting in groups, Miria surpassed Galatea and even the No. 1, Alicia, as noted by Ophelia and the Organization. Plus with seven years of non-stop combat training plus Miria's half-awakened state, Miria has become a worthy rival to your beloved Galatea-sama. But don't worry...all idols need competition to keep themselves sharp.

It is thanks to your response that we demonstrated exactly why NOBODY in their right mind does a Versus thread. Keep up the good work Dark One.

(P.S.-Can I suggest a thread you ought to start Cyclone? How about a thread in which we talk about key moments of Claymore where the translation in the Official Viz Claymore Manga differs radically from what the other translations are and how it affects the plot?)

[HegemonKhan]

well, they also HAD TO stand against the army of awakened ones as well. despite how impossible the battle was.

it is their entire purpose as being claymores to kill yoma/awakened ones to protect the humans, regardless of the Organization's motives.

claymores (well most anyways) aren't gonna run away and let yoma/awakened ones kill humans and destroy entire villages. claymores aren't exactly "daisy pushers or sissy girls". they don't run away in the face of battle or death.

(unlike one yoma, which duaf crushed in his hand, hehe, during the old witches maw scene, when clare entered the place)

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by HegemonKhan

well, they also HAD TO stand against the army of awakened ones as well. despite how impossible the battle was.

it is their entire purpose as being claymores to kill yoma/awakened ones to protect the humans, regardless of the Organization's motives.

claymores (well most anyways) aren't gonna run away and let yoma/awakened ones kill humans and destroy entire villages. claymores aren't exactly "daisy pushers or sissy girls".

They are also fully aware that humans hate them and everything to do with them.

They had to survive and live on, yes, but I don't think defending humanity was on their big list of reasons when it happened Hedgy, nor is it for now. It's a concern for Miria, as Claire mused but it's not "their purpose". Their "purpose" was originally to follow the Organization's order till they die, and they for one don't give a damn about humans.

[HegemonKhan]

that's a bit arguable....

~half still care about humans (and are usually still naive about the Organization's real motives, inhuman motives, as well)

~half have lost nearly most of their humanity and no longer care about humans, or have their own selfish reasons that they are obssessed with.

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by HegemonKhan

that's a bit arguable....

~half still care about humans (and are usually still naive about the Organization's real motives, inhuman motives, as well)

~half have lost nearly most of their humanity and no longer care about humans, or have their own selfish reasons that they are obssessed with.

Arguble?

Come on Hedgy, other then Cynthia, I can't think of a single Claymore who protects and cares for humans because it's what she likes to do. People like Priscilla and Clarice don't really count because they were new as warriors and weren't mature enough to feel that way even after getting it through their heads that humans hate them.

That's what so special about Cynthia; she's an experienced samaritan, someone like her is unheard of.

All the others have negative emotions about them, from indifference to contempt and anger. Can't blame them either.

[Cyclone]

Originally Posted by revan5

"Trolling" for a response? Do you realize how long I've been looking for the perfect Dark Apprentice on this forum? Shiek was a massive failure...hell, his motto is Mr. Goody-Two-Shoes! I remember how I took him on in a debate in which I won by using his own words against him, and then finished with these words, "So, Shiek, now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." (Quick Shiek, identify the movie quote!)

Tragically, it seems my recruitment efforts were mistakenly taken as something else. It seems in my deceitful Sith ways, I "forgot" to tell the test subject that in fact it was a test of his responses to provocation. You could've passively accepted it like one of those weak serene Jedi (cough*Shiek*cough cough), but like me when I see factual inaccuracies, you aggressively countered. In any event I hardly meant to do any real harm to Galatea-sama's image (though I'll defend my idol Miria till death) . I was merely trying to see whether you'd pass the Sith trials.

I started noticing your potential for being my successor when I saw how you said you were going to wash someone's mouth out with battery acid for bad-mouthing Galatea(Big Dark Side approval of those comments). Then of course there was the moment where you told someone to embrace the dark side (I approved of the notion but not of the intent on replacing me as resident Sith Lord).

In fact Cyclone, it's fair to say I haven't seen someone more faithfully "trolling" for Dark Side recruits as much as you. I was wiping tears of joy away from my eyes at your angry response to my words. It contained so much promise I was becoming positively giddy. I was ready to strap a virtual Sith "Medal of Honor" for your efforts until I read the Sith manual, which said I first had to torture you with Force Lightning for a week before doing so. Too bad, but congrats on passing the trial!

With that sharp retort of yours you have proven yourself worthy and shown why I need you out there tearing up the forum with that sharp mind of yours (not to mention doing all those Dark Side battery-acid washes of virtual mouths). Congratulations on becoming my unofficial Sith Apprentice. (P.S.-I'll throw in Shiek's personal Star Destroyer for your official signing bonus)

Heh - I didn't mean 'trolling' in the normal negative sense - more in the 'deliberately inflamatory comments designed too tweak a responce' sense. Didn't mean to offend or anything.

Actually I think if there was another option Miria and comrades would have taken it. The fact that they didn't probably means that Isley's army was simply too close to escape. In addition, they didn't have enough yoki pills to get all of them away undetected from both sides. They were in the ultimate un-winnable situation: dying at the hands of Isley's Army, or being picked off a couple at a time by Rafaela (no one ever said she'd be dumb enough to take on the whole group when she has stealth on her side!) and eventually being hunted like wild animals by the other warriors of the Organization. I'd personally take a less excruciating path than either of these "lovely" choices and take my chances on faking my death.

Like me, they chose the faster and more immediately lethal route in the hopes that it would save more lives long-term. To me it seems that faking their deaths was both more likely to succeed in the long-run and also allowed them to consolidate and improve their remaining fighting strength. It has allowed them to surprise the Organization, an advantage in the coming war not to be underestimated.

When it comes to Miria, her only failure of strategy was when she was misinformed about the six-armed AB, which was hardly her fault. It should also be noted that when fighting in groups, Miria surpassed Galatea and even the No. 1, Alicia, as noted by Ophelia and the Organization. Plus with seven years of non-stop combat training plus Miria's half-awakened state, Miria has become a worthy rival to your beloved Galatea-sama. But don't worry...all idols need competition to keep themselves sharp.

It is thanks to your response that we demonstrated exactly why NOBODY in their right mind does a Versus thread. Keep up the good work Dark One.

Let's continue this discussion in the monthly chapter and not clog up this thread.

(P.S.-Can I suggest a thread you ought to start Cyclone? How about a thread in which we talk about key moments of Claymore where the translation in the Official Viz Claymore Manga differs radically from what the other translations are and how it affects the plot?)

I've been suggesting a translation inccuracy/correction/clear up thread for quite some time now too. I'm all for it. There is a lot of material that belongs there already - my only concern is thread could get too lengthy...

[Ryus]

Come on people. As much fun as it's been to read this conversation, move it to better thread before the mods tell you too.

Edit: looks like Cyclone beat me to posting a warning.

[Ryus]

I'm going to again request a Translation Request Thread... I never got a yes or no on my last request, just a "will consider it". I've been waiting and waiting for an answer...

Here is an example why I believe we need it and what a request for a translation should look like on this thread... IMHO.

Originally Posted by Ryus

TRANSLATION REQUEST.

That reminds me... Which of these two translations is correct? They are very different from each other

Spoiler for Size:

The translation up on almost every website


A translation by "whatever"

We really need a translation request thread...

Edit: Based on Rubel comments on the next page I've been assuming the second one was correct. Since both translations have Rubel commenting about the comment Clare just said and in the first translation Rubel is speaking not Clare. So using simple deduction the second is more accurate but this is in no way proof that it is the accurate translation unless you translate to RAW directly. If the second is true then Miria doesn't trust Rubel at all.

Next two panels of both translations, in the same order.

Spoiler for Size:

The translation up on almost every website


A translation by "whatever"

EDIT 2: For quick reference the RAW

Spoiler for The RAW:

[Solace]

Originally Posted by Ryus

I'm going to again request a Translation Request Thread... I never got a yes or no on my last request, just a "will consider it". I've been waiting and waiting for an answer...

OK, I've had plenty of time to deliberate on this, so I'll outline my thoughts and we'll go from there.

One of the main reasons this decision has taken so long is that from previous experience translation threads tend to turn into chapter translation threads (by this I mean so many "minor" requests from one chapter will build up enough that the whole chapter ends up translated). It may not happen at first but it will reach a point where it does. Since nearly every line can be translated in different ways (indeed that's one of your points by showing two different versions), users will feel compelled to discuss, compare, and ultimately work out what a "proper" translation should be for each panel and page.

It's just too big of a can of worms to open. We're not here to be a translating site, that's why there are groups that scanlate. While we have no problem with the occasional discussion of translations in a specific chapter thread, authorizing a full blown translation discussion is just not something we're comfortable with.

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by Solace

OK, I've had plenty of time to deliberate on this, so I'll outline my thoughts and we'll go from there.

One of the main reasons this decision has taken so long is that from previous experience translation threads tend to turn into chapter translation threads (by this I mean so many "minor" requests from one chapter will build up enough that the whole chapter ends up translated). It may not happen at first but it will reach a point where it does. Since nearly every line can be translated in different ways (indeed that's one of your points by showing two different versions), users will feel compelled to discuss, compare, and ultimately work out what a "proper" translation should be for each panel and page.

It's just too big of a can of worms to open. We're not here to be a translating site, that's why there are groups that scanlate. While we have no problem with the occasional discussion of translations in a specific chapter thread, authorizing a full blown translation discussion is just not something we're comfortable with.

Oh...

Well, your reasoning seem to be good. I respect that and your final decision not to have a Translation request thread.

My main purpose in asking was only for translation requests for very specific parts of a dialog and only for lines that have very different implications then one another. For example the VIZ version vs the most popular scanlation that can out before the VIZ version, since clearly the old fans have read one when the new fans likely read the other one. I've noticed this has caused a few different opinions of what's to come and/or a characters mindset. Oh, and I had no intention of this being a place to debate the dialog either... just a request and response thread.

However your right there is no reason why people wouldn't turn my above idea into chapter translation threads. Even if I renamed it to "Specific Line of Dialog Translation Request Thread". Oh, well great idea ruined by a few bad apples... maybe Helen could eat them.

[kleist]

A vote thread for Claymore Season 2 please.

It has been two years since Claymore was put into anime. Now the author of Claymore is considering wether to make the second season of Claymore onto screen.

As we konw, the ending of Claymore Anime is different with manga, but the author promised that he could adapt the storyline so that the storyline of "Claymore Second Season" will be the same with the manga's.

The only thing he wants to know is wether people want to see it. So he made a vote for Claymore Season 2 on the website http://www.shomei.tv/project-752.html

If the voting is over 10,000 by March 31,2010, it means many people want to see Claymore anime, and he will probably put Claymore onto screen again. Otherwise not.

I am a Claymore fan and I think some of you are too. I hope that the moderator opens a new thread calling people who like Claymore to go to that website and vote for Claymore Season 2 ! Possibly we can see Claymore Season 2 in the next year ! Thank you!

BTW, the website is in Japanese, but it's really easy to vote becuase you only need to write your name and email, then click a button. If my request is allowed, I can give a guide with pictures to show you how to vote.

EDIT: I made a guide along with the proof on my blog, hoping it can help you. http://hi.baidu.com/hber2007/blog/it...229388a61.html

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by kleist

A vote thread for Claymore Season 2 please.

It has been two years since Claymore was put into anime. Now the author of Claymore is considering wether to make the second season of Claymore onto screen.

As we konw, the ending of Claymore Anime is different with manga, but the author promised that he could adapt the storyline so that the storyline of "Claymore Second Season" will be the same with the manga's.

The only thing he wants to know is wether people want to see it. So he made a vote for Claymore Season 2 on the website http://www.shomei.tv/project-752.html

If the voting is over 10,000 by March 31,2010, it means many people want to see Claymore anime, and he will probably put Claymore onto screen again. Otherwise not.

I am a Claymore fan and I think some of you are too. I hope that the moderator opens a new thread calling people who like Claymore to go to that website and vote for Claymore Season 2 ! Possibly we can see Claymore Season 2 in the next year ! Thank you!

BTW, the website is in Japanese, but it's really easy to vote becuase you only need to write your name and email, then click a button. If my request is allowed, I can give a guide with pictures to show you how to vote.

PM me that info! I'll vote for it now! I'll even create emails accounts on public computers and vote it from like 50 different IP addresses!

CLAYMORE SEASON 2... DONE RIGHT!

EDIT: AS LONG AS YOU PROVIDE PROOF THIS IS TRUE...

[MisterJB]

OMG...is this...is this really happening? Am I not in a beautiful dream? (probrably not since all my dreams involve lots of nudity)

A second season of Claymore...folowying the manga...
Only 1539 now. We need more voters. For how long has this voting been on?

[Shiek927]

I just voted last night, with the instructions and it successfully work. This should be made into it's own seperate thread immidiately

[MisterJB]

We'll never get it in time. We have little more than 1600 votes and the first vote was in February

A thread would probrably help, tough.

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by MisterJB

We'll never get it in time. We have little more than 1600 votes and the first vote was in February

A thread would probrably help, tough.

February?.........You mean February of last year?!

And it's not even 2000?

I think you're right, but at least their's still more time.

[MisterJB]

Originally Posted by Shiek927

February?.........You mean February of last year?!

And it's not even 2000?

I think you're right, but at least their's still more time.

I'm asking everyone I know to vote. Even if they have no idea what an anime is.

Edit: The link is not working anymore.

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by MisterJB

I'm asking everyone I know to vote. Even if they have no idea what an anime is.

Edit: The link is not working anymore.

Works just fine for me, number is up to 1633.

[Galatea33]

Originally Posted by MisterJB

Edit: The link is not working anymore.

1. First click here

2. Then Here

Spoiler for link:

In any case, if people get a real hard time just open the webpage , I thought I copied it instead

Here might helps:

Spoiler for Guide - Part 1:

Spoiler for Guide - Part 2: