2010-06-30, 14:17 | Link #12262 |
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Question, am I the only one who thinks that the epitaph and portrait were put up after Kinzo's death?
Edit: Doesn't that make it all the more likely? Healthy people usually don't have unexplainable health problems. Who said it was Natsuhi who was messed with and not Krauss? I simply said Eva had a hand in it. |
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That would be quite tricky to consistently cause for Eva, though.
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2010-06-30, 14:25 | Link #12264 |
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The problem is that according to what was narrated this is impossible.
April 1984 is when the epitaph and the portrait were exposed. and Every adult remember to have seen the real flesh and bones Kinzo in October 1984. Of course Battler can't be sure of either of these two statements, but that's what everyone says to him.
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2010-06-30, 14:26 | Link #12265 | |
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Consequences? I don't know. Since, almost everyone at the mansion barring Gohda and Jessica knows Kinzo is dead then any order to do something coming from him or the family head is coming from someone else. So... someone else is or is acting like he/she is the new family head. Considering the person pretending to be 'Beatrice' knows where the gold is and claims to be the new family head... yea. Edit: I don't remember seeing any adult saying they saw Kinzo in 1984. I remember quite the opposite being said, that Kinzo was not seen for the last few family conferences. But then again, I has Alzheimer's. So, remind me when this was said if you remember. |
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2010-06-30, 14:29 | Link #12266 | |
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In the real world, absence of evidence is indeed not evidence of absence, but I thought about this. In the detective novel world, absence of evidence, or rather, absence of clues is indeed a clue of absence. Basically, if Knox rules hold and you can't solve the mystery with clues not presented then if you have a theory based on clues not presented then it won't work, right? Well further to that then is that if there aren't any or enough clues, or if you have to stretch clues too far then it kind of shows that the author did not intend for speculation to go in this direction. There were arguments before, put forth that something *could* have happened in a certain way. For example, there were clues that there was an explosion/geological event at the end but people put forth the argument that hey, you can't disprove that maybe they were all poisoned. Or wolves ate them and scattered their bones. But then now we know there weren't enough clues for poison, nor wolves... but there were tons of clues for explosion/geological event. You can't 'disprove' any other wild random theory, but 'proof' is not how detective novels work... it's by clues... And now, for example, if there aren't enough or any clues about Rudolf doing the horizontal shimmy with his sisters to begin with, it might be our cue that this line of reasoning takes us away from the mystery... I'm not saying don't speculate though, cuz that is definitely useful... but the way of thinking saying that 'you can't prove X didn't happen' is dead end reasoning for a mystery that obeys Knox rules, in my opinion. |
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2010-06-30, 14:34 | Link #12267 | |
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Unfortunately once we drop Kinzo as the source of all that we're very low on leads.
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2010-06-30, 14:38 | Link #12268 |
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"So, my mother isn't my mother. My father probably is my father, but he may have impregnated both his sisters, making my cousins also my half-sisters. My opponent in the game is my "mother" and she is apparently my grandfather's daughter. Or maybe the person I had a crush on is secretly me.
Y'know what? Screw this. A witch did it." |
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2010-06-30, 14:41 | Link #12270 |
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The absence of "Informations" where you'd expect them to exist is certainly something that should make you suspicious, for example the total lack of informations on the Rokkenjima incident from the 1998 perspective.
However lack of informations where you wouldn't normally expect them doesn't amount to anything. Of course the possibility exists, but I claim there's an nearly infinite amount of possible speculations that can be done on that ground and the chance of getting one right is almost zero. The story always said that Rudolf, Eva, Krauss, and Rosa are Kinzo's son. What exactly are you expecting? DNA tests? There are no more reasons to think they aren't Kinzo's biological sons than there are for George and his parents, Jessica and her parents, Battler and his parents, Ange and her parents, Shibakichi and Chiyo Kumasawa, Masayuki and Terumasu Nanjo and so on. Of course one of these cases might be actually true, but how high are the chances that all of them are? Almost none. Selecting one of them randomly is a shot in the dark. That's not a bet I'd make. Conversely in Battler's case we have strong hints (or should I say facts?) that he's not Asumu's biological son. That's a whole different matter when you reason on evidence rather than on lack of evidences.
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2010-06-30, 14:46 | Link #12271 |
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I agree with Jan-Poo. The only reason people suspect Battler all the time is because we have very big hints saying he isn't Asumu's son. A theory should always be backed with evidence and not just a lack there of.
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2010-06-30, 14:46 | Link #12272 |
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Since there were two paintings, one big one on the ground floor and one inside his study. It could be that the big one was just the replica of the study room's one. Consider that his goal was to resurrect Beatrice, it was most likely the one inside the study was the initial one.
We had a narration from Battler in EP1 that the woman in the portraint was about 20 in age. Also with Battler's comment that she looked just like a Westerner. I think it was safe to say the one in portraint was Kwadorian Beatrice, before she fell off the cliff.
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2010-06-30, 16:27 | Link #12276 | |
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2010-06-30, 16:53 | Link #12278 | |
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So, any better explanation? Let me rattle off some obvious ones and what I think about them. Notice that what really is the problem is not why Natsuhi's not getting pregnant, which can happen for numerous reasons, but why Eva isn't for three-four years out of seven.
I think I don't have any more ideas. Anyone else?
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2010-06-30, 17:03 | Link #12280 | |
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Which means that Eva might not have to hurry, but she certainly would have to know she doesn't have a guaranteed seven years. EDIT: P.S. Remember that Kinzo treats Natsuhi almost as property in Eva's memories, at least initially. If property is faulty, there is always a chance it would get replaced.
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