Eden's Zero

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by Blueknight78

first its not i'm biggest mashima fan, i will do the same for any other serie which i see "bad complain" you can find others threads i'm doing things like that, it's just which annoying me see which it's looks like "western peoples (at last some peoples) don't understand difference between cultures" what you call "lazy" is "normal' in they country them it's your issue to feel like that.

You have FT avatar and FT signature. You are the only person that I knew from many forums that defending Mashima like he is your god. If this doesn't make you the Mashima's biggest fan, then I don't know what is it.

Also, you should stop shoving me with your "western culture" talk to me. So far, I had been strictly speaking this from the perspective who had been born and raised in the eastern country.

Originally Posted by Blueknight78

About the little" it's because i only see peoples talking about "the first chapter and "too much use of nakama" word not because the nakama power itself" and to be honest this is somethiung which "almost every mangaka in shounen, because this is something really common in that "gender" in japan that is why i really don't mind because after, see it too much with countless anime/mangas/novels it don't botter me anymore cuz this is something which is part of they culture, now if you don't like it them go to japan and force them to stop do that, otherwise it never gonna "disappear" and aways happen.

You are right that every Shounen has "Nakama" trait, and it is not something will be changed for Shounen manga but I am pretty none of them are actually spamming the word as much as Mashima did. It is just the 3rd chapter for a god sake.

Originally Posted by Blueknight78

"about her name" ok, because a "single name" which is not even "the same" (can look very close but still different), while i can give you "that single name" i still fail to see he being "lazy when the others are having different names.

What is the cat name again?

Originally Posted by Blueknight78

Again it's not about being "fan" of A or B is about you know "how things work" in country A and don't try to aways aply your "country B logic cuz this never gonna work, for exemple i'm a bigger "harem isekai hater" but i know which this is something pretty popular in japan and while i hate and try to avoid the big majority of them at last i know which is something which "they like" and i try "to respect it" and try to avoid most of them (at last the ones which i really don't like cuz in some cases i can actually enjoy it), that is the problem with "taste and opnuons' it's important to remember "just because i like or hate it or you like or hate it don't means which everyone must follow it and no matter "how trash" something can be you aways will find someone which gonna like it because that is what means "taste" and eveyrone have they own tastes" and like something which you don't like can't be saw as a "sin".

If this is the case, why are you so adamant to defend the negative opinions from others (such as mine) about Mashima and Eden Zero?

Originally Posted by Blueknight78

IT's not the first time mashima did ( mashima also have others one shots and short runn mangas which basically show how much he use the same style), he even pulled a one shot about a "character which was a mix between wendy and erza, which was one of his previous attempts to publish a new serie, mashima don't only did raven master and fairy tail.

To be frank. I would have preferred him to create the female MC a Wendy+Erza version for Eden Zero than Lucy v2.0. At least he tried something new instead of just copypasting from FT.

Originally Posted by Blueknight78

It's not about being hater or fan is about "common sense" and know which if what he is doing is "normal and common" in the country market, the worst will gonna happen will be i stop to follow/read it as i did with many others series which started to not "appear me anymore" them instead of "keep complain" i just moved on to another serie, because that is what "normally peoples are supposed to do when they don't like something" just ignore it and look for what they want.

There is nothing wrong with people expressing what they dislike about the things that they have read or seen. Not everyone likes to be a silent majority.

Originally Posted by Blueknight78

About brolly the peoples "complain over it" are the same peoples which "hated in in the first place" and get anger for him being turned in canon and again as aways are a "minority".

It doesn't matter whether it is a majority or minority group, the point is people do disagree with the direction that the writer is taking. Very different from you, initially believed that people are a hypocrite for not complaining about other authors.

[Anh_Minh]

I hate to agree with Blueknight (and in fact, I don't know if I do. I don't have the courage to read his posts.), but I feel that at this point, complaining about Mashima is like complaining about McDonalds. Sure, if you insist, there's a lot to say, but we all know what we're getting when we walk into one.

And frankly, character reuse is one of the least objectionable things he does.

[Kafriel]

I think Mashima's greatest weakness right now is his power of resolution. Be it battles or plot threads, he is quick to wrap it up. Technically, it's not a bad thing, especially for the battles, since almost every other mangaka loooooves to draw out a fight as much as possible, but the way it is done leaves scars on the manga, like a bad aftertaste after a pretty decent meal.

[B214]

He tends to finish fights in 2 chapters after all.

[MAX_COLA_POWER!]

While Sixth and Blueknight were having their good grammar anti Mashima vs. bad grammar pro Mashima war (btw Blueknight, you may wanna change your avatar and sig if you're claiming to be not that big of a fan of Mashima, like Lucy jiggle cleavage gif and swimsuit FT crew, really?)

Spoiler for Ch. 4:

Well we got your usual page amount for a weekly series back, bit sad about that, anyway, hello Neo Gray, and we have a tad of a mystery involving the heart cube Rebecca and Happy wear and the series' namesake title.

[charasu]

lolololol, same setting with siegheart skull in rave

[~Yami~]

what is this? is this manga got axed already?

please explain the timeskip...

[DragonOsman]

Probably a quick flash-forward to the future for some reason, for hints maybe. I think we'll come back to 20,000 years earlier next chapter. At least I hope so.

[B214]

Well the ending was unique i suppose. Not sure how to feel about it yet.

[dniv]

Chapter 5 was interesting hmm. Not sure why people are making fun of this. Like, okay disliking similar character designs is reasonable, but I actually don't mind, it's just whatever.

Now looking at the actual plot content, this series seems to already be doing something pretty interesting. People calling it generic are really out of their minds. Yes, Mashima always has overused Nakama stuff, but within all that stuff he often introduces some pretty interesting concepts and characters so I read his stuff anyway. And people should read the beginning of chapter 5, because he seems to be doing something interesting here and I'm already pretty interested in what's happening right now.

I legitimately wonder if Mashima's trying to do something like One Piece in Fairy Tail/Rave Master style.

He's clearly doing something unconventional off the bat.

[MAX_COLA_POWER!]

Nice to see we have an oracle to accompany the Spacial Spirit Queen.

[charasu]

Great exposition opening
Now with that saying time will hold little meaning, time travel adventure looks like fun in future

[Kafriel]

With ch.5, the setting is...complete? Alright, so, from the last few chapters, we got:

- FT references, like Jet, Droy and Levi in the guild, directly referencing FT's guild atmosphere, etc. Why keep Nicola as Plue's name tho...
- Classic Mashima designs in weird-ass creatures and loads of fanservice.
- Oda influence because the aged professor is Rayleigh incarnate!?

What actually surprised me the most is not the timeline setting (I've read spirit cycle, after all), but the fact that Mashima opted to use a character to address the readers. Does this hint at the complexity his plot is going to take? Time travel stories are always fickle and fraught with inconsistencies... So, while it worries me a bit, it's also a great move to raise mystery to the limits.

I'm sold. For now.

[DragonOsman]

@B214: It's not the end. The manga didn't end with the flash-forward to 20,000 years later.

We're back to where the heroes were before the that, and it turns out that they went back to 50 years in the past. I wonder what's up with young Weisz having stolen money from Zibir or whatever that guy's name is? And how are Shiki and Co. going to return to their own time (how did they get to the past anyway? Wormhole or something?)?

By the way, how many people read the new Fairy Tail sequel manga, The 100 Year Quest (it's written by Hiro but the artist isn't him)? It seems to be interesting.

Edit: One post late.
@Kafriel: I'm not sure if we should believe that the setting is done. I'll wait and see on that (it probably is done, but still).

[AstroNerdBoy]

Apparently, time skips of all kinds (forwards, backwards, sideways, whatever) are going to happen in Eden's Zero.

[Chosen_Hero]

Originally Posted by Kafriel

With ch.5, the setting is...complete? Alright, so, from the last few chapters, we got:

- FT references, like Jet, Droy and Levi in the guild, directly referencing FT's guild atmosphere, etc. Why keep Nicola as Plue's name tho...
- Classic Mashima designs in weird-ass creatures and loads of fanservice.
- Oda influence because the aged professor is Rayleigh incarnate!?

What actually surprised me the most is not the timeline setting (I've read spirit cycle, after all), but the fact that Mashima opted to use a character to address the readers. Does this hint at the complexity his plot is going to take? Time travel stories are always fickle and fraught with inconsistencies... So, while it worries me a bit, it's also a great move to raise mystery to the limits.

I'm sold. For now.

You forgot Natsu and Lucy, they are in the background in one of the panels when Shiki gets his licence.

[Hokoga]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

By the way, how many people read the new Fairy Tail sequel manga, The 100 Year Quest (it's written by Hiro but the artist isn't him)? It seems to be interesting.

I have. So I guess I wasn't the only one who was bothered by lack of actual Dragon slaying in FT(I don't count Acnologia), but it seems the 100 year quest is going to fix that.

I really hope Mashima doesn't try the gloss over the fact that Levi is pregnant, or the relationship progression of Natsu & Lucy this time.

[immblueversion]

Originally Posted by AstroNerdBoy

Apparently, time skips of all kinds (forwards, backwards, sideways, whatever) are going to happen in Eden's Zero.

It's called a flash-forward, guys.

Originally Posted by Hokoga

I have. So I guess I wasn't the only one who was bothered by lack of actual Dragon slaying in FT(I don't count Acnologia), but it seems the 100 year quest is going to fix that.

Spoiler for Fairy Tail stuff:

There was also this scene from Dragon Cry:

YouTube

https://youtu.be/XAB0Uf7DzsE

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[MAX_COLA_POWER!]

Originally Posted by immblueversion

It's called a flash-forward, guys.

Spoiler for Fairy Tail stuff:

There was also this scene from Dragon Cry:

YouTube

https://youtu.be/XAB0Uf7DzsE

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Isn't the movie not canon anyway? Also, they opened up a forum to talk about the FT sequel so can we move all topics about to it over there? No matter how many FT cameos there is in this series, it's still a new one. I'm still waiting until the Elsie meeting.

[CIRQUAN]

I read the first chapter when it came out and dropped it. And out of boredom I read all chapters that came out thus far and all I have to say is dafuq?! O_o

The story is confusing and his usage of characters from FT... I don`t know, I got used to FT and now it`s messed up....