2004-12-02, 02:14 | Link #1 |
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Why/how Orochimaru & Itachi turn bad?
I just finished watching all 111 episodes and I have some questions about these 2 badies.
Why/How did Orochimaru turn evil? He had a good teacher(3rd) Seems to be a good and calm guy when you see him young? What made him wanting to develop those evil skills and got kick out of the village? Why did Itachi want to kill his whole family but leave Sasuke along? There is no reason for him to kill his family. His the successor of the clan anyway/ Just pondering |
2004-12-02, 02:26 | Link #2 |
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You'll find out about Itachi in time. Be patient, or read the manga.
Orochimaru was sort of born with a tendency toward evil. He is so concerned with himself and his power that nothing else matters. The true mark of an evil character is personal greed even at the expense of others. Orochimaru really just wants to learn all the jutsus in existence, which isn't necessarily an evil idea, but his means to get to it are what makes him evil- since he'll sacrifice anyone and anything to get it, he's a bad, bad man. |
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2004-12-02, 09:38 | Link #7 |
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Orochimaru and probably Itachi as well, are two-dimensional generic anime villains, thus, they were born evil, always were evil and will remain evil for most of the time. They don't need a reason to be evil, they most probably don't know why they are evil themselves. They are not as bad as certain FF villians ("I want to destroy the whole world! Cause ... er ... well ... I just want to do it!" *evil laugh*), but bad enough.
Actually, I think that is a problem. In comics/manga/books aimed at a younger, or a wider audience, there are often characters born evil. Even though there are most certainly people who are more likely to get antisocial than others, there is no such thing in reality as a person born evil. Hell, as long as you are objective, there isn't something as evil to begin with. |
2004-12-02, 10:03 | Link #9 | |
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1. There is no greater pain than loneliness 2. Blind Ambition leads to a path of evil 3. We find our true strength when we have something or someone to protect 4. Anyone can be influenced by a precious mentor whether they are good or evil All the main charcters and villians follow those similar themes.
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2004-12-02, 10:23 | Link #11 | |
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I personally think Itachi’s reasons for doing what he did were very weak. From what we have seen, he doesn't do things that are unnecessary, yet he kills his entire clan to test himself. I don't see why he would need to measure his capacity in the first place, but if he did I don't see why he would have killed them all. If he just wanted to test him self, there was no need to kill the weaker uchiha. Also, if he wanted a real test, he should have fought some one stronger... ie hokage or something. There is either something else behind it all or the author in my opinion messed up. |
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2004-12-02, 10:53 | Link #12 |
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Well Orochimaru seems like a cookie cutter villian in that he doesn't need a reason to be evil. Itachi is more of a calm collected and merciful villian and most likely when we finnally get to it willl have some understandable reason for being that way. As for the reason he killed his clan....
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2004-12-02, 11:10 | Link #14 |
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Itachi and Orochimaru are supposed to be the opposites of Naruto. Recall that Naruto gets his strength from protecting his friends, while those two abandoned their friends to get their strength. In this manner, we see them set up as opposit archetypes due to clash in the future. Who will win this battle is, of course, a tossup.
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2004-12-02, 11:32 | Link #15 | |
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Yes this is one of the turning point to the path of evil for Orochimaru. When he becomes a missing nin is another, and that is when Sarutobi discovers his experiments.! |
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2004-12-02, 21:41 | Link #18 |
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this is just a guess but maybe Sarutobi chose Yondaime to be the Fourth instead of Orochimaru because Orochimaru was doing some evil tech already and what lead him to do all this was that he was jealous of Yondaime natural talent from youth to adult. When people are bitter they tend to turn to evilness.
Itachi kill his whole family because he know something important that might endanger Konoha. Maybe he didn't want anyone taking control of anyone in his clan with the eye thingy skills so he kill off everyone but love Sasuke so much he leave him alive and try to hurt him to make him stronger(bad guess) I'm sure every charactor in this anime is much deeper than charactors like Freezer & Cell in DBZl since they trace almost every charactor back to their past |
2004-12-02, 21:49 | Link #19 |
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Sarutobi always saw Oro's evil ambitions, he just pretended not to notice because he had great hopes for his potential. He eventually thought better of it though and chose the Fourth over him, but I guess Oro was pretty dead set on leading a ninja village so he started his own. I think betraying Konoha was just an extension of the twisted ideals he had always followed. It doesn't seem that he had any alterior motives at the time, unlike, say, Sasuke.
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2004-12-02, 22:33 | Link #20 | |
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As far as the President of the USA is concerned just remember that nearly half of America (myself included) did not vote for Bush and don't aswell as likely never wanted him as President. We have to suffer along with the rest of the World for how the other half of the country voted, but ,mark my words, there will be reform! I don't know how you can lose faith in an entire countries "intelligence" regarding religion just because the current leader is a fanatic. There have certainly been some bad ones in European history, both officially religous and some who weren't religious at all. I certainly question some people's values over why they elected this guy president again when there are so many more important things at stake than his relgious beliefs but ohwell, its a democracy. As far as Naruto's characters go I hope they do give us more explanation into the villain's characters as simply being evil because they are strong or ambitious isn't good enough. Maybe we'll have a Gaiden in which Jiraiya is the main chacter and learn more about his relationship with Orochimaru and Tsunade before things turned ugly. That would be an interesting mini arc right before a big battle between Jiraiya and Orochimaru (I'm sure they will have another one).
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