(L) Kaguya-sama wa kokurasetai

[Shadow5YA]

Gion is the most well known Kyoto district for geishas, so I don't think there's any doubt about Kaguya's mother's occupation now.

Well... I'm glad Hayasaka is having fun at least

[James Rye]

Kaguya was the daughter of a prostitute. Was this ever hinted before? Or implied at? I don't remember.

Also...
*Kaguya worrying about cow tits Fujiwara stealing her bf when the real danger was sneaky rat Hayasaka all along.*
HA!
I bet if Kaguya knew that Hayasaka is living together with Prez she'd be more worried about that than him being kidnapped. XD

[WingedAccelerator]

Prostitute outright was not stated, but we knew Kaguya was an illegitimate child, result of an affair, and her mother was badmouthed by her classmates, so she was most likely a lowly commoner by their standards.

[Konja9]

Originally Posted by Kanon

Spoiler for 242:

I wasn't expecting Kaguya's mother to have been a prostitute. I'm surprised Gan'an even took Kaguya into the family.

Well, DNA test already existed when Kaguya was a baby, so it wouldn't be difficult to know whether Kaguya was Gan'an's daughter or not.

At the end, Kaguya could become another tool for the Shinomiyas. So, Gan'an just accepted her for that.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by James Rye

Kaguya was the daughter of a prostitute. Was this ever hinted before? Or implied at? I don't remember.

Also...
*Kaguya worrying about cow tits Fujiwara stealing her bf when the real danger was sneaky rat Hayasaka all along.*
HA!
I bet if Kaguya knew that Hayasaka is living together with Prez she'd be more worried about that than him being kidnapped. XD

In fairness, she's worried plenty about Hayasaka too.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Konja9

Well, DNA test already existed when Kaguya was a baby, so it wouldn't be difficult to know whether Kaguya was Gan'an's daughter or not.

At the end, Kaguya could become another tool for the Shinomiyas. So, Gan'an just accepted her for that.

That's not the issue. The issue is her mother being a prostitute. Plenty in the family must consider Kaguya unworthy of bearing the Shinomiya name.

[Lex79]

If the Shinomiya group was consolidated under the charisma of a talented man, it's plausible that without that man us now falling apart. The interesting part now is how the Shijos would deal with Kaguya, as a victim who needs saving or as another potential rival that must be crushed?
President living with Hayasaka is not a development I was expecting, I'm curious to see how it will play. I assume lots of misunderstandings.

[Konja9]

Originally Posted by Kanon

That's not the issue. The issue is her mother being a prostitute. Plenty in the family must consider Kaguya unworthy of bearing the Shinomiya name.

Yeah. It's mentioned many members of Shinomiya family (Gan'an included) are uncomfortable and don't know how to treat Kaguya due to her mother.

However, Gan'an knows that a daughter can be suitable for a political alliance through marriage. So, he likely sees a future benefit in accepting Kaguya into the family.

Once Gan'an accepted Kaguya, others couldn't object, since Gan'an seems to be pretty powerful. Not to mention that all Shinomiyas should know the "value" of a daughter (the reason for Kaguya's dissapearance in the current arc).

[BWTraveller]

There's Kaguya's potential use, but there's also perhaps some sense of morality or ethics: illegitimate, born from a paid dalliance, she may be but she's still his daughter. He may have felt like he had an obligation to provide for her. The fact that he had no idea what to do with her and just dumped her on another illegitimate child to raise in hopes he'd have a better idea what to do with her kind of suggests this.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by BWTraveller

There's Kaguya's potential use, but there's also perhaps some sense of morality or ethics: illegitimate, born from a paid dalliance, she may be but she's still his daughter. He may have felt like he had an obligation to provide for her. The fact that he had no idea what to do with her and just dumped her on another illegitimate child to raise in hopes he'd have a better idea what to do with her kind of suggests this.

We'll probably never know what his intentions were, since he barely even has the strength left to speak.

[Konja9]

Originally Posted by BWTraveller

There's Kaguya's potential use, but there's also perhaps some sense of morality or ethics: illegitimate, born from a paid dalliance, she may be but she's still his daughter. He may have felt like he had an obligation to provide for her. The fact that he had no idea what to do with her and just dumped her on another illegitimate child to raise in hopes he'd have a better idea what to do with her kind of suggests this.

I've understood Un'yo isn't an ilegitimate son, since he is the son of Gan'an's second wife. Un'yo having a different mother seems to alienate him from his brothers, but he is still a legitimate son.

In itself, I think the chapter wants to imply that Gan'an mainly cares about Oko. That's why he is indifferent when Un'yo visits him in the hospital (Gan'an expected Oko).

[BWTraveller]

Sorry yeah, he's legitimate, but he's still a step or two out from the "main" sons due to his being the son of his second wife. Point remains that in Gan'an's eyes he's kind of outside of the "main" heirs, and that this is at least a part of why he figured he'd be the one who would best know how to deal with a bastard child. Kind of makes it even more insulting toward Un'yo though. Like, "Crap, I knocked up a prostitute! I can't erase my own child but what the hell am I supposed to do with a wh&re's kid? Um, yeah you take care of her; you're kind of like a bastard yourself, you'll know how to handle it".

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by BWTraveller

Sorry yeah, he's legitimate, but he's still a step or two out from the "main" sons due to his being the son of his second wife. Point remains that in Gan'an's eyes he's kind of outside of the "main" heirs, and that this is at least a part of why he figured he'd be the one who would best know how to deal with a bastard child. Kind of makes it even more insulting toward Un'yo though. Like, "Crap, I knocked up a prostitute! I can't erase my own child but what the hell am I supposed to do with a wh&re's kid? Um, yeah you take care of her; you're kind of like a bastard yourself, you'll know how to handle it".

He's also a step down because he's the youngest. Age also means seniority.

[WingedAccelerator]

A really entertaining, completely comedic chapter. Looks like there is still time for that.

Spoiler for Chapter 243:

Miyuki and Hayasaka together at the Shirogane household. Miyuki doesn't want to tell the truth that he is in danger of being kidnapped, so Hayasaka still suggests that they should go with that she is his new girlfriend.

Kei arrives home, spots the female shoes, assumes Kaguya is visiting. But it's Hayasaka, who she recognizes from an earlier time. (Incoming nitpick from me regarding this when the translation is out).

Hayasaka in Miyuki's room tries to come up with explanations about their relationship. Kei hears some details and thinks Miyuki really broke up with Kaguya, so her hope and dreams are crushed.

While proposing different scenarios, Hayasaka changes outfits and acts all suggestive. Her outfit from Chapter 58 makes an appearance with a story about how Miyuki rejected her. The ace outfit however is the maid uniform. She spins, make poses, and Miyuki is totally flustered.

Kei thinks Miyuki makes his new girlfriend do fetish cosplay for him. Papa Shirogane arrives in the meantime and Kei informs him. They barge in the room just for Hayasaka telling them what kind of poses Miyuki desires. The three of them go all "Pervert" on him in sync.

The true punchline however is not this. Papa Shirogane already knew that Hayasaka is coming from her mother and just joined in the fun of teasing Miyuki together with Hayasaka. Miyuki gets angry at her, but she makes a cat maid pose, asking for forgiveness, and Miyuki once again gets really flustered. Kei doesn't understand a single thing that happened.

[Kanon]

This sounds like a chapter straight from this manga's golden days.

[nikita22]

Originally Posted by WingedAccelerator

A really entertaining, completely comedic chapter. Looks like there is still time for that.

Spoiler for Chapter 243:

Miyuki and Hayasaka together at the Shirogane household. Miyuki doesn't want to tell the truth that he is in danger of being kidnapped, so Hayasaka still suggests that they should go with that she is his new girlfriend.

Kei arrives home, spots the female shoes, assumes Kaguya is visiting. But it's Hayasaka, who she recognizes from an earlier time. (Incoming nitpick from me regarding this when the translation is out).

Hayasaka in Miyuki's room tries to come up with explanations about their relationship. Kei hears some details and thinks Miyuki really broke up with Kaguya, so her hope and dreams are crushed.

While proposing different scenarios, Hayasaka changes outfits and acts all suggestive. Her outfit from Chapter 58 makes an appearance with a story about how Miyuki rejected her. The ace outfit however is the maid uniform. She spins, make poses, and Miyuki is totally flustered.

Kei thinks Miyuki makes his new girlfriend do fetish cosplay for him. Papa Shirogane arrives in the meantime and Kei informs him. They barge in the room just for Hayasaka telling them what kind of poses Miyuki desires. The three of them go all "Pervert" on him in sync.

The true punchline however is not this. Papa Shirogane already knew that Hayasaka is coming from her mother and just joined in the fun of teasing Miyuki together with Hayasaka. Miyuki gets angry at her, but she makes a cat maid pose, asking for forgiveness, and Miyuki once again gets really flustered. Kei doesn't understand a single thing that happened.

so when Kaguya is in this horrible situation her best friend Betrayed her and her boyfriend is cheating on her. Truly great comedy. Poor Kaguya believes that her boyfriend loves her.

[WingedAccelerator]

Don't worry. Mikado will take good care of Kaguya.

[Tactics]

Man, that made me wished we have Kaguya sit-com spin-off where Hayasaka became Miyuki sister due to Papa Shirogane marriage with Hayasaka mother.

[Tenzen12]

Kaguya was mistake, Hayasaka should have been real heroine.

[WingedAccelerator]

So nitpicking time, but I seriously don't think Kei should just remember Hayasaka like this, when she saw her one time about 8 months ago through a tablet, from the front, and she had long hair with a braid. Even her expression was totally different. Now she saw her sideways through a door crack with short hair, but knew instantly? Guess Aka wanted to spare introductions, plus it flawed well with the overall breakup joke since Kei at that time thought Miyuki is in love with Hayasaka, since he is texting with her.