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yes, and its viewed as a loss in the battle
which was my point all along the whole point of the 7th gens is that they take theoretic tech from 6th generation and put it to actual use the varis, MVS, harken busters, msv shields, hardon cannon and radiation surger are all 6th gen tech you have two machines one which has 9 of those 6th gen tech devices (2 shields, 2 MVS, 4 harken boosters, and the varis) which gives it defensive abilities and effective 6th gen weapons for all ranges of combat an experimental Y-drive more powerful then anything else ever created (the core luminus) that allows it to POWER all those devices and a frame laced completely with sakuradite which allows for much better energy conduction which allows both speed AND power beyond most frames the other machine has only 1 form of 6th gen tech device that serves as a close range only weapon and can be (despite not intended to be) used as a shield it has comperable speed with the lancelot, but then so does every other 7th gen that isnt a mass production unit (gekka, vincent) and we know nothing suggesting that it has either an improved engine or sakuradite laced frame in fact when Lloyd gets his hands on it, he replaces the original engine with a better version of the one that the lancelot has (the spinning glowing thing) which machine do you think is stronger
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2009-05-20, 13:49 | Link #2204 |
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actaully the original topic of discussion was the original guren vs original lancelot
watch the last page no one questions that the SEITEN was stronger
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I've always thought the original Lancelot was stronger than Guren. While Guren had higher fire power from the arm, its the only weapon that's probably useful against Lancelot.
Lancelot's MSV shields would render everything Guren had useless except the radiation blast. On top of that Lancelot is as agile as Suzaku is, doing Spinzaku kick and other stunts. Lancelot also has a variety of powerful weapons, MVSword, VARIS Rifle, 4 Slash Harkens to Guren's 2 Slash Harkens and machine gun. Lancelot was basically the strongest KMF in R1 until Gawain appeared. Anyway, I just randomly popped in and saw that maybe I could post something.
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2009-05-20, 14:41 | Link #2207 |
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The Guren had the Lancelot beat in Stage 11, and Kallen proves she's just as agile in that short span. On the ground and toe to toe, the Guren is the better of the two. Sure it only has the one weapon, but it outdoes every other weapon.
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2009-05-20, 14:46 | Link #2210 |
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naa
i have to say the lancelot was stronger more weapons and shields and speed same as the guren the arm's power balances the fact that it has no range attacks once the SEITEN upgrade however...
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And then Euphy died and Kallen really had a problem on her hands with the Lancelot.
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which makes the fact that the guren only has close range attacks all the more of a weakness but if anything, that last fight in season 1 proves how good kallen actually is she has to attack an opponent that fly at point blank range and she actually DOES it
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As for that first fight you mentioned, like I said: it wasn't entirely the Guren that was deciding that battle. Suzaku had no experience against fighting such a machine. Once he did have the experience, arsenal loss was no longer a problem. Quote:
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2009-05-20, 14:58 | Link #2218 |
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are you saying that he was holding back during most of their fights until ep 24
since when ? he uses every weapon he has in every fight they have (not all that many BTW, only 11, 13, 18) and how much experiance does kallen have fighting something like the lancelot ? she also gets much better with time
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Neither did Kallen what? Touch him? I remember him getting his landsinner attachment melted off, his harkens getting destroyed, a sword destroyed, and a VARIS bullet blocked. Suzaku took damage, she did not, and the longer the fight went the more he'd lose.
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