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Ronin Aquila · 2009-01-04, 11:10

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

If Haruhi dies, Tanigawa killed the series for good. The story is too light hearted for someone to die.

Now that you mentioned it, this poses an interesting moral dilenmma.

Asakura Ryoko, a sentient being, was clearly obliterated out of existence by Nagato Yuki. Some Haruhi fans I have spoken to say it did not count as murder because Ryoko was made and not born, and hence was not even alive to begin with.

I for one disagree: Yuki-chan wilfully obliterated another sentient being, manufactured though she may be, and hence has killed another person.

What do you fellas think?

Ithekro · 2009-01-04, 11:43

Yes or no, it would still count as self-defense. (first defending Kyon, then defending herself...those spikes were not exactly friendly).

Ronin Aquila · 2009-01-04, 12:01

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Originally Posted by Ithekro

Yes or no, it would still count as self-defense. (first defending Kyon, then defending herself...those spikes were not exactly friendly).

Still, by the standards of normal people (I don't consider myself terribly normal, so I'd like to know), does what Yuki-chan did count as killing another person? Both parties are manufactured, after all...

Ithekro · 2009-01-04, 12:30

One might consider Yuki's abilities at that time: she cannot create or destroy really. Only alter the data. It is unclear if Ryoko ceases to exist, or if only her human form is deleted with her alien energy form (or however they exist) still being present, but unable to interact with the others. Thus it is hard to classify Ryoko has having died at all.

Tyabann · 2009-01-04, 17:31

Ryoko was severed from physical reality, so the existence called "Ryoko Asakura" is pretty much dead.

I don't think her data form can actually be destroyed, though. As we've seen in Vol. 4, it should be possible to recreate her. That Ryoko seemed to have some memories of her past self as well, going on about how she's Yuki's shadow and as long as Yuki exists she can never be destroyed, blah blah.

Zantetsuken · 2009-01-04, 18:06

Is Tanigawa seriously sick? Or is it just a rumor?

God, please don't let him die yet. I don't want another Trinity Blood in my hands...

Tyabann · 2009-01-04, 18:14

Dear god, you're impressionable. It was just a pet theory of mine.

No one knows what happened to Tanigawa. He's just vanished.

Sute443 · 2009-01-04, 19:18

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Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

I think he was more referring to Sasaki taking the power.

Which wouldn't make sense, narratively. I mean, it'd be a bold move, but as Sasaki is the designated antagonist, I don't see it happening.

Not quite what I had in mind. I was thinking something more along the lines of moving her and her group out of the designated antagonist slot and bringing up some of the hinted-at dark sides of the original three sides. Tanigawa feeling guilty about making the Anti-SOS crew one-dimensional villains, and giving them some justifications that even Kyon has to acknowledge.

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Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Least of all in a story as happy as Haruhi.

Kyon is happy. The narrator being happy does not make the story itself a happy story.

Zantetsuken · 2009-01-04, 20:12

HAHAHA. Did you think I was serious?

Damn, I'm too good at lying even I'm scared of myself.

Tyabann · 2009-01-04, 20:55

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Originally Posted by Sute443

Not quite what I had in mind. I was thinking something more along the lines of moving her and her group out of the designated antagonist slot and bringing up some of the hinted-at dark sides of the original three sides. Tanigawa feeling guilty about making the Anti-SOS crew one-dimensional villains, and giving them some justifications that even Kyon has to acknowledge.

Well, let's see.

I really don't think Yuki's aliens really have much of a collective dark side. There are deviant groups like the one Ryoko belong to, but they seem to be few and far between. Besides, that angle has been explored to death, as has been Yuki's character.

(Frankly, I hope SHE dies. Then the story could actually go somewhere interesting.)

The Organization, despite being The Organization, aren't really presented as evil either, more like "trying to keep the status quo by all measures possible". They're trying to help Haruhi, in their own way, not control her. Fairly explored already. Not evil, just neutral. Very neutral.

The only original group that has a real, dangerous dark side is the time travelers. I can see that being explored, but not in this book. The current arc is about sliders anyway, as I see it.

Now, the Anti-SOS aren't as one-dimensional as you seem to be percieving them. Kuyoh is, but that's because her group actually is evil. (And being Yuki's opposite, giving her no character development at all would be fitting.) Fujiwara is very well characterized, and the fact that his group is working to go against destiny kind of makes them the good guys, even if Fujiwara himself is a Sneering Bastard.

Kyoko's group appears to be even more quasi-religious than The Organization. Can't really fault them for that...

Sasaki herself has actually presented in a very positive fashion, with some foreshadowing that her personality is actually much darker than it appears.

So how would Kadokawa not accept something like that again?

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Originally Posted by Sute443

Kyon is happy. The narrator being happy does not make the story itself a happy story.

The way it's written is very happy. Or are we reading different stories?

How is this story dark in the least? Everybody is cheerful, near-constantly. Except Kyon.

I don't even know where you got "Kyon is happy" from. Yes, he's relatively content. He still complains about everything...

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

HAHAHA. Did you think I was serious?

Damn, I'm too good at lying even I'm scared of myself.

Okay, I fail to see the point of making comments like that. Also, you're trolling. Go to GameFAQs and do that. They'll love you there.

ReneeBurossamu · 2009-01-04, 21:20

Ughhh.
I'm still waiting for the final chapter of Haruhi to be uploaded onto Baka-Tsuki. It doesn't look like it will happen.

Did Tanigawa just decide to stop because he was lazy??
Looking at the release dates and the one-year gaps between volumes 7, 8, and 9, I was surprised that the final novel didn't come out next year.
I also noticed that the novels don't have as much context as the others, since they both had about 3 chapters.

D: I'm still waiting on Haruhi.
And it's been two years since the anime has been released.
Clannad AS could have waited, imo.

Zantetsuken · 2009-01-04, 21:55

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Originally Posted by ReneeBurossamu

Ughhh.
I'm still waiting for the final chapter of Haruhi to be uploaded onto Baka-Tsuki. It doesn't look like it will happen.

what? baka tsuki has all the books and chapters translated. What final chapter are you talking about?

ReneeBurossamu · 2009-01-04, 22:42

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

what? baka tsuki has all the books and chapters translated. What final chapter are you talking about?

Sorry. I meant I'm waiting for the final book to be finished so that it's uploaded onto B-T.
D: It looks like Tanigawa is missing or something.

Zantetsuken · 2009-01-04, 22:43

He's going to make this a second trinity blood

***relentlessflame*** · 2009-01-06, 04:57

I moved some of the recent posts into Novel/Manga since it was getting into some serious spoiler territory that better suits that thread. In fact, someone even asked why that topic wasn't being discussed in there.

Anyway, I realize that there isn't much to discuss here given the lack of news, but still please try to keep the novel discussion in the right place. When the next season comes, I don't want to be spoiled.

typhonsentra · 2009-01-06, 04:59

Yeah, it's pretty remarkable this thread reached over 2k posts with so little information provided. This show has some dedicated fans.

Littm · 2009-01-07, 15:57

What news ? There is no real news except an announcement in Newtype. Just wait till March.

"The February edition of Newtype promises “big news about the Suzumiya Haruhi TV anime” in the March edition. All speculation focuses on this being regarding the hugely anticipated and much belated second series."

Tyabann · 2009-01-07, 16:05

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Originally Posted by Littm

What news ? There is no real news except an announcement in Newtype. Just wait till March.

"The February edition of Newtype promises “big news about the Suzumiya Haruhi TV anime” in the March edition. All speculation focuses on this being regarding the hugely anticipated and much belated second series."

They said this last year about the July issue. No new information was released.

Analysis: Newtype is blatantly lying about a popular series in order to sell more copies.

typhonsentra · 2009-01-07, 19:24

There was news, just not anything substantive. We learned they're doing new designs and the initial project announced way back when was scrapped (I doubt it ever existed).

brocko · 2009-01-07, 21:54

I still think nothing was really cancelled, but rather just abit of wordplay to change the sequel title from "Melancholy 2" to "Disappearance", which is debatable but that's my interpretation at least.
Either way it was basically a repeat announcement of a previous one for the Newtype audience anyway, with an extra peek into the new character desgins of course.

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Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	One might consider Yuki's abilities at that time: she cannot create or destroy really. Only alter the data. It is unclear if Ryoko ceases to exist, or if only her human form is deleted with her alien energy form (or however they exist) still being present, but unable to interact with the others. Thus it is hard to classify Ryoko has having died at all. __________________

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Zantetsuken Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Age: 33	Is Tanigawa seriously sick? Or is it just a rumor? God, please don't let him die yet. I don't want another Trinity Blood in my hands... __________________

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Zantetsuken Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Age: 33	HAHAHA. Did you think I was serious? Damn, I'm too good at lying even I'm scared of myself. __________________

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Zantetsuken Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Age: 33	He's going to make this a second trinity blood __________________

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Tyabann Homo Ludens Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Age: 34	Ryoko was severed from physical reality, so the existence called "Ryoko Asakura" is pretty much dead. I don't think her data form can actually be destroyed, though. As we've seen in Vol. 4, it should be possible to recreate her. That Ryoko seemed to have some memories of her past self as well, going on about how she's Yuki's shadow and as long as Yuki exists she can never be destroyed, blah blah.

2009-01-04, 18:14	Link #2267
Tyabann Homo Ludens Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Age: 34	Dear god, you're impressionable. It was just a pet theory of mine. No one knows what happened to Tanigawa. He's just vanished.

2009-01-04, 21:20	Link #2271
ReneeBurossamu Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008	Ughhh. I'm still waiting for the final chapter of Haruhi to be uploaded onto Baka-Tsuki. It doesn't look like it will happen. Did Tanigawa just decide to stop because he was lazy?? Looking at the release dates and the one-year gaps between volumes 7, 8, and 9, I was surprised that the final novel didn't come out next year. I also noticed that the novels don't have as much context as the others, since they both had about 3 chapters. D: I'm still waiting on Haruhi. And it's been two years since the anime has been released. Clannad AS could have waited, imo.

2009-01-06, 04:57	Link #2275
*relentlessflame* 　 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2003 Age: 41	I moved some of the recent posts into Novel/Manga since it was getting into some serious spoiler territory that better suits that thread. In fact, someone even asked why that topic wasn't being discussed in there. Anyway, I realize that there isn't much to discuss here given the lack of news, but still please try to keep the novel discussion in the right place. When the next season comes, I don't want to be spoiled.

2009-01-06, 04:59	Link #2276
typhonsentra Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: USA	Yeah, it's pretty remarkable this thread reached over 2k posts with so little information provided. This show has some dedicated fans.

2009-01-07, 15:57	Link #2277
Littm ちょうど楽しみなさい IT Support Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Somewhere... Age: 35	What news ? There is no real news except an announcement in Newtype. Just wait till March. "The February edition of Newtype promises “big news about the Suzumiya Haruhi TV anime” in the March edition. All speculation focuses on this being regarding the hugely anticipated and much belated second series."

2009-01-07, 19:24	Link #2279
typhonsentra Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: USA	There was news, just not anything substantive. We learned they're doing new designs and the initial project announced way back when was scrapped (I doubt it ever existed).

2009-01-07, 21:54	Link #2280
brocko Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ¯\(º_o)/¯	I still think nothing was really cancelled, but rather just abit of wordplay to change the sequel title from "Melancholy 2" to "Disappearance", which is debatable but that's my interpretation at least. Either way it was basically a repeat announcement of a previous one for the Newtype audience anyway, with an extra peek into the new character desgins of course. __________________ http://www.freerice.com/ - For each word you get right, 10 grains of rice is donated through the UN to help end world hunger.