Tokyo's Youth Ordinance Bill

[bhl88]

Originally Posted by Saturn Beaver

I agree, it was actually pretty well drawn and really hilarious, and what's more it gave a lot of useful info as well, I really recommend you guys to google it and read it for yourselves. It's really enlightening about the topic, even giving possible steps to take to combat this bill. I would've give the links myself, but I read it from a site that is NSFW (hentai), so...well, it should be circulating elsewhere too.

Oh, one warning: Loli Moe Ishihara is one thing, but BL Ishihara...I'm still trying to find that brain bleach.

Spoiler for the boy's love version. Added bleach:

The shounen version.


I want that communist guy Akira Koike... he might win. [assuming the candidates with low votes are not supportive of the ban].

[technomo12]

id rather go with the communist party............since all this nonsense are driving me to lose hope on democracy

[Lord of Fire]

Originally Posted by technomo12

id rather go with the communist party............since all this nonsense are driving me to lose hope on democracy

True democracy pretty much died with the Ancient Greeks. The only way it will working this time and age is if you can get everyone's vote on a certain matter, not just a handful of people.

[Guernsey]

Political cartoons are political. I never knew manga art could drawn like that.

[flying ^]

Originally Posted by bayoab

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/10/bu...pagewanted=all

Edit: Actually, it seems the author intentionally tried to maximize the whole child porn angle.

this too

just fresh off the press
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-...tance-in-Japan

their comments section needs more input

[Ronin Aquila]

Ah shut it you fundamentalist pigs: at least Asian priests dosen't fuck children while pretending to be saints.

[MisaoFan]

How is the difference between Japanese, Asians and Westerns in subject of fanservice level ?

[Yui Is My Wife]

I think he was referring to the fact that the critics are another Chrisitian newsgroup whose only exposure to anime is Legend of the Overfiend and Pokemon who act like they know everything because they "chose the right God."

[asaqe]

Originally Posted by MisaoFan

How is the difference between Japanese, Asians and Westerns in subject of fanservice level ?

Japan is more reserved daytime/nightime tv wise in terms of sexual themes like Sex. In romantic dramas, you rarely see the main character get laid by the end of the series and series where sex is a strong prevalant theme is not that popular in general. Japan's all about tease in this of thing, relying more on teasing service to make up for the fact Japan doesn't like talking about the actual subject

Western side of fanservice is more notably held back in terms of fanservice but isn't too afraid to come out with the issue of sex. Hell in teen dramas, there is a very high chance someone got their cherry popped or is having sex with someone else. For all the puritan talk, I have to say western society is more sexually active.

Ishihara's revision of the bill merely put the screws even harder on sexual themes in general.

[MisaoFan]

I see that certain pages of illustration of the Taiwanese (mandarin) version of Shana's light novels got ripped off just because of nudity or scantily clad.
Even parents of the Taiwanese country have complaint on certain mangas about boys' fist and girls' scantily clad.

[bayoab]

Originally Posted by Yui Is My Wife

I think he was referring to the fact that the critics are another Chrisitian newsgroup whose only exposure to anime is Legend of the Overfiend and Pokemon who act like they know everything because they "chose the right God."

If you are talking about the Christian Science Monitor as "another Christian Newsgroup," you are quite mistaken. The CSmonitor is one of the most even handed and objective news publications out there and doesn't inject religion or religious views into real news articles. The problem with this article seems to be relying too heavily on one source who is giving a biased view.

[Revenger1589]

Originally Posted by bayoab

The problem with this article seems to be relying too heavily on one source who is giving a biased view.

I'd say...

Japan’s government has been forced to rethink how to handle the country’s huge market in child pornography, raising hopes for an overdue ban on possession.

It's hard to take the article seriously when it starts with something like this. The market for child pornography in Japan is almost null compared to America, which is responsible for more than 50% of the production and consumption worldwide. Hardly a "huge" problem, in my opinion.

[Yui Is My Wife]

And yet there is so much child-rape, especially on part of the clergy, up there...

And that, boys and girls, is what happens when you sexually repress an entire country by indoctrinating them with ludicrously high ages of drinking, driving, smoking and sexual consent.

Its only natural that some (by no means all) oldies would erupt violently with no healthy outlets for natural urges, and youths naturally acting violently having being fed up of being told they are incapable of thoughts and feelings until they are 18 or 21.

[Genten]

Originally Posted by bhl88

Spoiler for the boy's love version. Added bleach:

That. . . really shouldn't be as hot as it is. Damn, that's some pretty art. I'm enjoying all the Ishihara parodies: I wonder what he thinks of these things?

Which leads into my next point, which is something that's been bothering me for a while: why did Ishihara push so hard for this bill to be passed? Did he expect all of this backlash, internet or not, and how does he deal with this? I'm genuinely curious because, with these bills that carry huge changes like these one has to expect a lot of backlash, yet Ishihara seems to be generally surprised at these reactions.

Personally, I feel that Ishihara expected this reaction from the domain of the anonymous internet: things like forums and websites dedicated to criticizing him probably weren't that much of a concern, for it is the internet, which seems like a fairly non serious threat. However, I don't think he expected the backlash and public criticisms of him in Japan, in real life. Things like doujinshis and groups dedicated to taking him down must have really shocked him to the point where he has to scramble for counterarguments and explanations. Just my opinion, though.

[Guardian Enzo]

I don't think Ishihara gives a rat's tail for the criticism. I think he fully expected and even welcomed the controversy - demagogues always do. I also think in his view all the people who are complaining are whiny scumbags whose opinions don't matter anyway, and the "real people" are all with him on this. It's possible that if the financial impact is as huge as I hope it will be that may come as a surprise to him, but he'll spin that as a bunch of perverts turning tail and running rather than reform their ways and become more like him.

[flying ^]

Originally Posted by Revenger1589

The market for child pornography in Japan is almost null compared to America, which is responsible for more than 50% of the production and consumption worldwide.

link pls... or it's bs

[0utf0xZer0]

Originally Posted by flying ^

link pls... or it's bs

Not sure on the 50% part, but if the surveys from British and Italian sources are anything to go by, Japanese production and consumption really is much, much smaller than its American counterpart:
http://dankanemitsu.wordpress.com/20...156-and-japan/

Without knowing the methodology used to collect the data its hard to say much on the subject though.

[Frozen_Angel]

What do you guys think? How will this effect the future of anime.


Tokyo Youth Ordnance (Anime Ban) Signed
The ban that has been in works for several years since UNICEF originally brought to light the game Rapelay has finally made its way past the legislation and was signed into law on December 15th, 2010. This thread is to discuss elements of the anime ban.


What is the Ban?
The Tokyo Anime ban's mission is an attempt to prevent anime from having harmful influences on the youth of Japan. This means that all anime released in Tokyo will have to go before a judging board to determine if an anime in question is within the scope of the ban or outside the scope of the ban. Animes contained within the ban will be marked as 18+ and have restricted distribution rules applied.

What is the Scope of the Ban?
All anime being produced in Tokyo. This ban does not prevent the production of anime in other cities, such as Osaka.

What is the Criteria of the Ban?
The ban is vague in the terms of what it covers. While the bill has yet to be fully translated, the key phrases that keep reoccuring between blog postings about the ban are:
Virtual Crimes that are likely to interfere with the healthy development of youth
Requirement of prudent application of the law in light of any artistic, social, scientific or satirical merits the work might express
Restriction of sales of anime, manga or games which “improperly glorify or emphasize” illegal sexual acts, such as rape, groping, BDSM, voyeurism, exhibitionism, etc.

This ranges from content such Hentai, to anime that have no negative intents, but have violent inspiring actions to them, such as Angel Beats. Similarly, anime that portray heavy usage of Guns, Killing, Sexual Harassment, and more would be underneath this ban. This includes long running anime such as Detective Conan and One Piece. Majority of Otaku-related anime are also targeted by this ban, such as Welcome to NHK!, Full Metal Panic (and company), and the recent The World God Only Knows and Ore no Imouto are also underneath of these conditions.

When does the Ban Start?
April 1st, 2011 is the first voluntary enforcement of the ban, where corporations have to show that they are starting to work on a process to adhere to the ban's conditions. July 1st, 2011 is the official mandatory first day.

Is the Anime Still Available?
Yes it is. The ban simply states that all anime which falls within its terms is no longer an anime with a age rating of youth (15+), but instead rated as adult (18+). In leau of this, that means that the anime cannot be readily accessible to minors without an ID check. Similarly, this means that broadcasting companies cannot broadcast the anime over the network.

Does this Effect Manga?
It is the same situation with Manga as Anime: marked as 18+ and sale is restricted. All of the policies listed apply similarly to manga publishers and sales divisions.

What does all of this mean?
It means that anime/manga that falls under the ban will no longer be able to be broadcast from stations located inside of Tokyo. This will ultimately result in less anime being produced, as many publishers are not willing to produce OADs or to digitally stream their anime. Similarly, sections that are littered with anime/manga related materials such as Akihabara will be strong armed, as majority of the content held in those shops are easily accessible to minors; thus failing at the condition of restricting sales to minors.


Credit goes to M of Ichigo Forums for breaking it down

[gohmifune]

Good post, but I honestly don't see the significance. This still leaves fairly liberal censorship laws, and is very reminiscent of the USA. If anything, it should encourage a wider range of series and less fan service ridden series.

The terms of the ban are vague, but so is what define pornography in the USA.

[Guardian Enzo]

There's actually a topic on this if you scroll down, it's been posted on within the last day or two. Also - there are quite a few inaccuracies in your summary so I would read that aforementioned thread and clarify your understanding of the issue a little.