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sky black swordman · 2012-12-16, 23:37

Don't count out the Patriots just yet. Current score 31-24.
Not A Patriots fan.

Edit: it's a tie game 31- 31

GDB · 2012-12-16, 23:40

Wilson won't because they've relied on the run so heavily up until just the past few weeks. Plus, no one cares about the Seahawks. Sad, but coverage and popularity are a factor. There's almost no chance it's anyone but Luck or RGIII, and odds are it'll depend on who gets further in the playoffs.

That said, if Wilson gets to the NFC Championship game and the other two don't get equally as far, he'd get a really good chance to steal it.

I agree on running up the score. The opponents are paid 6+ digits a year each to stop them from scoring. Can't do it? Be embarrassed and use it as fuel, like Arizona just did.

Also, the Packers don't suck. They definitely have some issues, but they're a high tier team. Unlike my Ravens who are usually high tier, but also enjoy playing low tier disturbingly often. That said, I noticed a lot of fans are now calling for Flacco's head... or contract, I guess. They're saying to just let him walk, take a fly on a late round in next year's draft, tank the season if need be, and pick up a really good QB in 2014.

Also, Pats just tied it up.

FDW · 2012-12-16, 23:51

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Originally Posted by creb

Russel Wilson better win rookie of the year.

I know he won't, and some overhyped kid who's stats are super-inflated via basic high-percentage plays and a playstyle that's exciting until teams get tape and shut it down completely like they have every single time that type of QB has put at least a full year under their belt, but hey. I can believe.

If Russel Wilson gets farther in the playoffs than Luck and RGIII (something that isn't completely improbable, given the Colts poor O-Line and injury issues that Washington has), then he gets RotY. (In fact, RotY is probably going to come down to which Rookie QB last longest in the playoffs)

YF19EX · 2012-12-17, 00:11

Whew close! On to Seattle!

sky black swordman · 2012-12-17, 00:19

^ Thats for sure.
Despite the amazing comeback, the Patriots lose to 49ers. 41-34.

Last Sinner · 2012-12-17, 00:49

I'd put Wilson ahead of Luck for sure. He'd be pretty close to RG3 atm. Despite Indy's standing, Luck's TD:INT ratio is almost 1:1. He has led good comebacks but he's got to be cleaner with the ball and avoid getting in those holes. Seatlle has beaten some big names but some of the shine might be taken by the defense. RG3 makes more big plays than Wilson which might steal more of the votes. However, if Seattle can make a decent playoff run, Wilson has a shot. But if Luck finishes ahead of Wilson, whatever body voted on it is crap.

Well, Kaerpernick held up well tonight. Brady's night kind of reminded me of Romo performances earlier in the year. When the run ain't getting it done, couple of costly INTs and you have to throw way too much to make a comeback but fall just short. 49ers were able to contain Ridley, something not many teams have done this year. Kaepernick was fairly clean and those mistakes that were costly against the Rams didn't appear tonight. It would be hard to argue against this being a plus in favour of Kaepernick in the QB spot. Granted, New England has a lacking secondary, but in the rain and on the road against one of the best is still valuable.

2013 QB class isn't exactly looking like much so Kansas, Jacksonville, Buffalo and Arizona's aspirations for a QB may stil go wanting. Buffalo's owner wants to trade up this draft for a QB? Think you're one year late, man.

creb · 2012-12-17, 01:38

It will be amusing to see what NFL team bites and makes Matt Barkley the next USC QB taken too early.

Anyways, while it certainly looks rather bleak for any team looking to draft a franchise QB, surprises do occur. Wilson is this year's QB-draft surprise, after-all (though, while I am very happy to see him doing well, I realize one good rookie year is rarely a barometer for future success at the position).

Presumably, Alex Smith will be traded, and he may not be an elite QB, but he'd probably be a vast upgrade for a good percent of the teams in the NFL.

Samari · 2012-12-17, 02:08

49ers be ballin. Don't give a shit about no Brady.

FDW · 2012-12-17, 02:20

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Originally Posted by creb

Presumably, Alex Smith will be traded, and he may not be an elite QB, but he'd probably be a vast upgrade for a good percent of the teams in the NFL.

Depends on how the last few weeks of the season go and how the Niners front office wants to use their gobs of cap space next season.

Last Sinner · 2012-12-17, 02:47

I somehow get the feeling Buffalo would go after Smith and that Kansas would bite on Barkley.

GDB · 2012-12-17, 08:41

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Originally Posted by Last Sinner

2013 QB class isn't exactly looking like much so Kansas, Jacksonville, Buffalo and Arizona's aspirations for a QB may stil go wanting. Buffalo's owner wants to trade up this draft for a QB? Think you're one year late, man.

Yeah, seriously. After an amazing class like this, the next one isn't going to be that good. It'd take 2-3 years before you got another crop of good QBs. They're going to suffer until 2014, 2015, or even 2016. This also kind of sucks for the Ravens, since Flacco really isn't that good (above average, at best), but with no other options I don't see the higher ups letting him walk.

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Originally Posted by creb

Presumably, Alex Smith will be traded, and he may not be an elite QB, but he'd probably be a vast upgrade for a good percent of the teams in the NFL.

Pretty sure Alex Smith is going to be a free agent. They'd have to sign him and then trade him, which I don't think most teams would be willing to do.

RWBladewing · 2012-12-17, 08:53

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Originally Posted by Last Sinner

I somehow get the feeling Buffalo would go after Smith and that Kansas would bite on Barkley.

I've been telling everyone this is going to happen since Smith was benched. I don't think he's what this team needs but it's probably the best choice if they don't get rid of this coaching staff. Exposing a rookie to this incredible sideshow of failure would be a disaster.

Dilla · 2012-12-17, 09:00

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Originally Posted by Last Sinner

I somehow get the feeling Buffalo would go after Smith and that Kansas would bite on Barkley.

Barkley right now is the 2nd rated QB on most boards, after West Virginia's Geno Smith.

Last Sinner · 2012-12-17, 09:51

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Originally Posted by RWBladewing

I've been telling everyone this is going to happen since Smith was benched. I don't think he's what this team needs but it's probably the best choice if they don't get rid of this coaching staff. Exposing a rookie to this incredible sideshow of failure would be a disaster.

Well, that's the reality of it all. And yeah, Gailey is a goose. That showing against Seattle was laughable. Russel Wilson running 3 TDs himself without hinderance as QB...and the TD throws were uncontested to boot. Spend 100 million on Mario Williams and they're still deficient in so many other spots?

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Originally Posted by Dilla

Barkley right now is the 2nd rated QB on most boards, after West Virginia's Geno Smith.

I know Barkley is definitely not the #1 QB in that crop on the ratings and that his senior year hasn't been that good compared to previous years. But Kansas aren't exactly known for making smart choices in that spot lately. Cassell, Quinn, Palko...

Dilla · 2012-12-17, 23:39

I know this is beating a dead horse. . . but Jesus Christ the Jets.

Eliminated from playoff contention, mercifully.

creb · 2012-12-18, 00:30

I think the team isn't nearly as bad as they're outings make them seem, and that's from the perspective of someone who laughs like a little girl whenever the Jets play.

But, they need to get rid of Sanchez. I don't think I'd even sign him as a #2 QB. At best, he's #3 material, though by now he's such damaged goods that I doubt I'd ever been in a situation where I'd want him in throwing for my team. Get rid of Tebow by trading him to Jacksonville. No one else can possibly allow you to profit from him. Trade for/draft/sign a QB who can throw, even a little. Get rid of Holmes.

The cap hit is going to suck, but sometimes you need to suffer to grit through it in order to improve.

Alex Smith/Kirk Cousins will both presumably be available. I don't think either are really franchise QBs you're going to go to the Superbowl with, but you need to take what you can get while you wait for something better to show up.

As for Rex and Tan...my gut reaction is to clean house there as well. Rex's coaching decisions are just perplexing, and Tan needs to fall on the sword for putting together this bunch of players.

The only reason I'd like to see the Jets improve is that the Patriots need some actual competition so I don't have to keep seeing them waltzing into the playoffs.

Kyuu · 2012-12-18, 00:37

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Originally Posted by creb

But, they need to get rid of Sanchez.

And maybe Rex Ryan for not making the call to bench his ass -- especially after either the 5-INT game way back in Week 3 or 4. And the Butt Fumble game.

In contrast, y'got the Niners thriving over a convenient QB switch, despite having a previously established QB.

Point of the matter: coaches are hired to make these kinds of calls... the best calls possible to make the team thrive.

Last Sinner · 2012-12-18, 04:05

Just when you think the Jets can't sink the game any lower...they do...HOW did they even get 6 wins this year...

Get rid of Rex, Tannebaum, Sanchez and Bart Scott. Rex could still coach defense somewhere else but not head coach.

AFC is almost done for who's getting in. If Cincy win next week against Pittsburgh it's a done deal. NFC won't be until Sunday night in 2 weeks.

sky black swordman · 2012-12-18, 07:55

Taking in to consideration how the Jets played all season long, I expected the Jets to lose this game against Titans.
Jets need to cut their losses and cut Mark Sanchez.
And the Jets playoff hopes are now gone, this just cements the firing of Rex Ryan.

GDB · 2012-12-18, 08:40

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Originally Posted by creb

Kirk Cousins will presumably be available.

As a trade, maybe. He's definitely not going to be a FA. He signed a 4-year rookie deal, and this is still his first season.

2012-12-16, 23:37	Link #5961
sky black swordman Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: California	Don't count out the Patriots just yet. Current score 31-24. Not A Patriots fan. Edit: it's a tie game 31- 31 __________________

2012-12-17, 00:19	Link #5965
sky black swordman Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: California	^ Thats for sure. Despite the amazing comeback, the Patriots lose to 49ers. 41-34. __________________

2012-12-17, 00:49	Link #5966
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	I'd put Wilson ahead of Luck for sure. He'd be pretty close to RG3 atm. Despite Indy's standing, Luck's TD:INT ratio is almost 1:1. He has led good comebacks but he's got to be cleaner with the ball and avoid getting in those holes. Seatlle has beaten some big names but some of the shine might be taken by the defense. RG3 makes more big plays than Wilson which might steal more of the votes. However, if Seattle can make a decent playoff run, Wilson has a shot. But if Luck finishes ahead of Wilson, whatever body voted on it is crap. Well, Kaerpernick held up well tonight. Brady's night kind of reminded me of Romo performances earlier in the year. When the run ain't getting it done, couple of costly INTs and you have to throw way too much to make a comeback but fall just short. 49ers were able to contain Ridley, something not many teams have done this year. Kaepernick was fairly clean and those mistakes that were costly against the Rams didn't appear tonight. It would be hard to argue against this being a plus in favour of Kaepernick in the QB spot. Granted, New England has a lacking secondary, but in the rain and on the road against one of the best is still valuable. 2013 QB class isn't exactly looking like much so Kansas, Jacksonville, Buffalo and Arizona's aspirations for a QB may stil go wanting. Buffalo's owner wants to trade up this draft for a QB? Think you're one year late, man. __________________

2012-12-17, 01:38	Link #5967
creb Hiding Under Your Bed Join Date: May 2008	It will be amusing to see what NFL team bites and makes Matt Barkley the next USC QB taken too early. Anyways, while it certainly looks rather bleak for any team looking to draft a franchise QB, surprises do occur. Wilson is this year's QB-draft surprise, after-all (though, while I am very happy to see him doing well, I realize one good rookie year is rarely a barometer for future success at the position). Presumably, Alex Smith will be traded, and he may not be an elite QB, but he'd probably be a vast upgrade for a good percent of the teams in the NFL. __________________ http://myanimelist.net/animelist/creb http://myanimelist.net/mangalist/creb It feels like years since they've been updated, btw. Also, cake.

2012-12-17, 02:08	Link #5968
Samari World's Greatest Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: San Francisco Age: 36	49ers be ballin. Don't give a shit about no Brady. __________________ "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!" 永遠不要失去信心，你的命運。

2012-12-16, 23:40	Link #5962
GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	Wilson won't because they've relied on the run so heavily up until just the past few weeks. Plus, no one cares about the Seahawks. Sad, but coverage and popularity are a factor. There's almost no chance it's anyone but Luck or RGIII, and odds are it'll depend on who gets further in the playoffs. That said, if Wilson gets to the NFC Championship game and the other two don't get equally as far, he'd get a really good chance to steal it. I agree on running up the score. The opponents are paid 6+ digits a year each to stop them from scoring. Can't do it? Be embarrassed and use it as fuel, like Arizona just did. Also, the Packers don't suck. They definitely have some issues, but they're a high tier team. Unlike my Ravens who are usually high tier, but also enjoy playing low tier disturbingly often. That said, I noticed a lot of fans are now calling for Flacco's head... or contract, I guess. They're saying to just let him walk, take a fly on a late round in next year's draft, tank the season if need be, and pick up a really good QB in 2014. Also, Pats just tied it up.

2012-12-17, 00:11	Link #5964
YF19EX Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Bad Chicken! Mess You Up!	Whew close! On to Seattle!

2012-12-17, 02:47	Link #5970
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	I somehow get the feeling Buffalo would go after Smith and that Kansas would bite on Barkley. __________________

2012-12-17, 23:39	Link #5975
Dilla 'Sup Ballers Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: North Carolina, USA Age: 34	I know this is beating a dead horse. . . but Jesus Christ the Jets. Eliminated from playoff contention, mercifully.

2012-12-18, 00:30	Link #5976
creb Hiding Under Your Bed Join Date: May 2008	I think the team isn't nearly as bad as they're outings make them seem, and that's from the perspective of someone who laughs like a little girl whenever the Jets play. But, they need to get rid of Sanchez. I don't think I'd even sign him as a #2 QB. At best, he's #3 material, though by now he's such damaged goods that I doubt I'd ever been in a situation where I'd want him in throwing for my team. Get rid of Tebow by trading him to Jacksonville. No one else can possibly allow you to profit from him. Trade for/draft/sign a QB who can throw, even a little. Get rid of Holmes. The cap hit is going to suck, but sometimes you need to suffer to grit through it in order to improve. Alex Smith/Kirk Cousins will both presumably be available. I don't think either are really franchise QBs you're going to go to the Superbowl with, but you need to take what you can get while you wait for something better to show up. As for Rex and Tan...my gut reaction is to clean house there as well. Rex's coaching decisions are just perplexing, and Tan needs to fall on the sword for putting together this bunch of players. The only reason I'd like to see the Jets improve is that the Patriots need some actual competition so I don't have to keep seeing them waltzing into the playoffs. __________________ http://myanimelist.net/animelist/creb http://myanimelist.net/mangalist/creb It feels like years since they've been updated, btw. Also, cake.

2012-12-18, 04:05	Link #5978
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	Just when you think the Jets can't sink the game any lower...they do...HOW did they even get 6 wins this year... Get rid of Rex, Tannebaum, Sanchez and Bart Scott. Rex could still coach defense somewhere else but not head coach. AFC is almost done for who's getting in. If Cincy win next week against Pittsburgh it's a done deal. NFC won't be until Sunday night in 2 weeks. __________________

2012-12-18, 07:55	Link #5979
sky black swordman Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: California	Taking in to consideration how the Jets played all season long, I expected the Jets to lose this game against Titans. Jets need to cut their losses and cut Mark Sanchez. And the Jets playoff hopes are now gone, this just cements the firing of Rex Ryan. __________________