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Oh and one more thing I think Red Dog and Doflamingo will get there shot at the King. Oh, I'm such a troll. (sorry can't not help it) Last edited by Master Mold; 2009-08-10 at 15:36. Reason: JK of coruse. |
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I've always thought that Mihawk might be a tad overrated by fans, not to detract anything from his real power and skill. However, he seems to be rated by fans as like the 2nd most powerful character in the series. Realistically, all we know about him is that he's the best swordsman in the world and that he's a Shichibukai, as well as he owned Zoro. His display of sheer incomparable power came a long time ago, back when Luffy and co. were still in the East Blue. After that, there isn't much to say about his power.
We know that him and Shanks used to be rivals. It would appear that somewhere along the line, Mihawk surpassed him and became world renowned. The thing that holds me up over that, however, is the fact that Mihawk is a Shichibukai. If he's as powerful as/more powerful than a Yonkou, why stay a Shichibukai. Why not rival the rest of the Yonkou, and to hell with the WG? A couple of things lend to this, imo, and you're free to disagree, but, first: when he came to Shanks to bring him news of Luffy's coming, Shanks said 'you come to challenge me?' If Mihawk was better, wouldn't the one expected to put the challenge forth be Shanks? Also, the way I read Mihawk's statement in the last chapter about Whitebeard indicated to me that there's quite a ways between them. For the sake of Mihawk being who he is in fandom, I do believe that he will probably defeat Jozu. At the same time, I don't think it'll be a runaway type victory, which seems to be the common conception. Just cuz Jozu isn't a captain himself, doesn't mean the commanders of Whitebeard's crew can't be as good as the major fighters on the WG's side. If we assume that the Shichibukai are close to one another in strength and that Luffy and Zoro have grown immensely since they fought Don Krieg, it's not inconceivable that Mihawk isn't an unreachable beacon of strength, like we think. Keeping in mind that they've defeated two Shichibukai, there's nothing to say that Mihawk is still that far ahead of them, even if we're to assume that he's the strongest of them. One can mention Kuma, but remember also that both times Kuma showed up, the Straw Hats had just finished a tiresome battle, and were in bad shape. |
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Mihawk said he does not care about fighting shanks since he only has one arm . That's why plain and simple . While mihawk is the greatest swordsman in the world that does not make him stronger than shanks. Mihawk is one who said he does not want to fight shanks anymore and maybe that is how there rivalry end.
Now maybe shanks only uses a sword we don't know. Also shanks is one of the few chars that we saw use haki out side amazon lily . Hell for all we know after losing him arm he went and learn something else other than swordsman ship . Now i am not saying shanks is stronger than mihawk or mihawk is stronger than shanks the truth is we just don't know. Mihawk surpass shanks in swordsman ship but we have no idea how shanks fights. For all we know shanks could have ate a DF in the 10 years or able to find a way to use haki to counter the lost of his arm . Him being strongest swordsman in the world is great but there alot of people out there that could give mihawk a hard time. |
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Yeah, that sounds like a fair statement. And also, just cuz Mihawk is the greatest swordsman in the world, it doesn't mean he's the only greatest swordsman in the world I know that's a stretch, but all I'm saying is that Shanks could be his equal as a swordsman.
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The way I see it, the reason Shanks' strength is overlooked is probably because he's considered a has-been after losing his arm, but he's too chill to care what he's considered, so he hasn't done anything to make people think otherwise. |
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Mihawk fights as far as we know with only his swordsman skills at least I doubt he has Haki/DF powers. On the other hand we know for certain that Shanks has Haki powers and I doubt he uses them to just make half the people on whitebeards ship pass out. More likely I expect him to be able to use Haki much like Rayleigh when he fought against the Admiral ontop of his own swordsman skills. My guess is swords vs swords only Mihawk wins, haki + swords vs swords Shanks will win.
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Right, I acknowledge that the title makes it seem as though Mihawk surpassed Shanks, but it could also be due to the fact that Shanks doesn't care about that Shanks doesn't care enough about it to do anything about it. That's what I secretly think in the back of my head.
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IMO its sh8t writing to build up one characters as the dream of Zoro only say "no no it this guy," and they call me a troll. |
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As for that about Zoro, I agree, which is why I think there's gotta be some kind of resolution with regards to how strong Shanks is/what Shanks can do, etc., and I'm sure there will be in time. What I've said thus far isn't conclusive, anyway. It's nothing more than speculation, but I don't feel it's wise to rule out Shanks that easily, just based on reputation and what is accepted as general fact in the OP world. I mean, according to the world and what we all believed up until Rayleigh told us otherwise, Roger was captured by Garp. |
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Volume 11: Shanks: 勝負でもしに来たか? Mihawk: フン・・・片腕の貴様と今さら決着をつけようなどとは思わん He clearly says he hasn't come here to bring a 決着 to their rivalry, now that Shanks is one armed. "kecchaku" (決着) is final, decisive conclusion to a battle. It's only used when there hasn't been a decisive victor yet. I don't know how these early parts were translated in the English volumes, and perhaps some nuances from the original Japanese text has been lost. Quote:
If you're not looking for a fight, you may want to restrain such comments. If you ARE looking for a fight, then you would rightly be labeled a troll. The fine line between constructive criticism and trolling is often decided simply by the amount of inflamatory nature in the post.
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So does that mean Shanks was surpassed or what? Quote:
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But when you make such statements at someone you're in conflict with, the rest of us easily feel disturbed as such bashing can be taken by any fan of the subject as flaming to all. Does that make sense?
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Whether you consider Mihawk "the victor" from that is up to you. Now, that's about the "rivalry". We don't know if their rivalry was over swordmanship, or just simply rivalry over "who is stronger". We don't know if this caused Mihawk to attain the title, we just know that it ended their rivalry. Same as Whitebeard. WB and Roger may have been rivals over being the greatest pirate of New World, and get to Raftel. Not over the title of "Pirate King".
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