Suisei no Gargantia - Episode 12 Discussion / Poll

[monir]

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[zztop]

Is this the final episode, or is there still 1 more to go? The net's been abuzz that there's a 13th ep of Gargantia.

[willyvereb]

It will have a 13th episode.
Also there will be 3 OVA episodes later, IIRC.

[Evil_Sephiroth]

Only 13...So rushed ;_;

[Shinhwa]

Although I feel Chamber getting destroyed or severely damaged at the end of the series is nearly unavoidable, in all truth I hope he doesn't get destroyed. Who would want our round round mecha Kyon-kun to die? D:

So, don't die Chamber!!!

[jeroz]

As much as no one knows how the story will move forward, I'm sure they will be "predictable" when looking back.

Will there be a mecha battle? How will Ledo react? Will there be sacrifices/casualties? Who will be the unlikely ally? There are still too many variables at the moment, the very first scene shall determine which route this story will take, before being dragged all the way back to a happy ending.

Personally I don't think there will actually be a fancy mech battle, and probably will have more arguments back and forth instead. Chamber will play a massive part in this episode, depending on how Ledo manipulates the military protocol to his favour. That being said, I think there will be sacrifices. I don't think Ledo is foolish enough to actually carry out the program if it involves bloodshed, he has learnt and gain enough self awareness during his time on Gargantia to know what's right.

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Edit: apparently the episode just finished. Judging by the screenshots, there's one convenience in the plot that I'm not sure what to think of. I would need to watch the subs to understand what happened.
Also, lulz this guy:
http://i.imgur.com/cYUx4IZ.jpg

[MisaoFan]

Spoiler for Episode 12:

I finished to watch the latest episode, but my views on it is the same as the previous few episodes: not enough Ledo/Amy moments. Other than that, it was pretty nice: the scene involving Ledo and Amy's squirrel named Grace was very heartwarming, I think the latter is probably spying since last episode just to help Gargantians. Unfortunately, things doesn't go too well, and Melty finally shows some signs of suffering but her life/death situation is saved by Amy. It turns out that Striker plays a evil wild card against Ledo and Chamber, they are fighting against each other with morality, and it even turn out that Pinion was controlled by the sect but is finally pairing with his friends and Rackage to defeat the sect. The biggest twist revealed this episode happens in the end, where Ledo is curious on what's going on inside of Striker, only to find out that Kugel is actually holographed from the start. My feelings are somewhat relieved when in the end, Amy will save Ledo and they will probably forgive each other and will live a normal life together as a potential couple, and this is the last candle I'm going to left it once it finishes!

[jeroz]

Originally Posted by MisaoFan

Spoiler for Episode 12:

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Spoiler for response:

so are they going to leave the whole ep13 back to the whole "integration into the society" aspect of the story? With Chamber seemingly intact, I'm not sure how I feel about this. Hopefully the epilogue next week shall fill up some of the needed characterisations that people has been asking for. At least Melty seem a bit more 3 dimensional (I hope) judging from your comments

[bastek66]

Two hours faster... damn I missed livestream

Spoiler for Inside Striker:

[konart]

Still have high hopes for Gen's 13th episode.

[Revan21]

Episode 12

Spoiler for Contents:

I knew Kugel was dead all along.

After seeing how they get rid off the sick and elderly it did not take long for Red and Pinion to change their allegiance. I had expected Chamber to refuse Red's orders but it was not so.

The last third of the episode was pure awesomeness. the way Red challanged the Striker to a dogfight (equiped with a huge machinegun he got from Pinion), while Lackage's lobster mecha was kicking ass and taking names on the ships. Pinion also reached bro tier by helping Red out with ground support.
This was one very resourceful mutiny.

It was also quite shocking when Red opened the cockpit and Kugel's body immediately started to decompose, to the point where even his head fell off O.o

All that's left is to utterly senmetsu the Striker, which should hold no moral problem for Red.

I wonder, how the Gargantia will take part in the fight and what's the golden key for? Hidden nukes?

[Principalities]

Spoiler for EPI 12:

As many predicted. Kugel was indeed dead. The reign of tyranny was Striker's doing all along.
Who knows. If Kugel did survive, things might not have turned out this way. However, without it's pilot, Striker went full GA nuts.

Chamber would never behave like Striker as long as Ledo is around. Ledo's arguments and thoughts do actually influence his Machine Caliber.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Yeah, like what we can see in the previous episode’s thread, many members (both Urobuchi veterans and non-veterans) here already guessed that Kugel isn’t kicking anymore the moment he appeared in hologram only. That resulted in no surprise whatsoever when it actually happens/comes true.

[lightbringer]

This episode ought to finally put to rest the recurring so often here question of why an all-powerful AI/mecha still needs a human pilot. Look at the shit that happens when there isn't one

I thought there would be about 50% chance that Kugel is dead, but it makes sense in retrospect - he was not exactly a sticker for rules, so he wouldn't have gone apeshit crazy like that.

[Forbin]

So my guess is we are far into the future where the war is over..but chamber kept Ledo alive

[Runa]

Spoiler:

gen really took that route ./omg

[LystAP]

Originally Posted by lightbringer

This episode ought to finally put to rest the recurring so often here question of why an all-powerful AI/mecha still needs a human pilot. Look at the shit that happens when there isn't one

I thought there would be about 50% chance that Kugel is dead, but it makes sense in retrospect - he was not exactly a sticker for rules, so he wouldn't have gone apeshit crazy like that.

Thinking about it, I suppose this should have been the most likely route the series would have taken, given it's limited operating time (only one episode left).

Perhaps they would have left Kugel alive had they more time to develop the story, but this probably concludes the storyline quickly and leaves it open to the "big surprise" they supposedly have in the last episode (I remember an interview where Army's seiyuu hinted as such).

[aohige]

Kinda figured, the whole thing felt so detached from emotion, it didn't feel like Kugel was the same character from the episode 1.
The "Kugel is dead" was the most popular, but I also saw some theory like "Kugel is turning half-squid, driving him insane" lol

[Gravitas Free Zone]

Spoiler for First page, eh?:

Since we'd already thoroughly poked into Striker puppeteering Kugel around, I wasn't surprised either. I did think that having Kugel's corpse shrivel up and decapitate itself was a little excessive though.

Pinion letting his hair down... unfortunately he didn't put on sunglasses.

Mecha combat: Nothing too spectacular by the standards of the genre, but it wasn't too bad either.

One more round chambered in Chekhov's Gun: The key and the tower (even if they've been using it as a sprinkler system). And Striker's external power supply, which might tie into whatever else they might have been doing over on the Heart of Darkness fleet to make everyone so compliant.

On that note, if Kugel expired relatively early on, I wonder how much detail Striker went into regarding directions. People are fairly creative, after all, so a simple "In the Alliance we space the old and infirm" could be turned into the elaborate ceremony with the chairs and the levers and the Big Red Button, but at some point the AI still has to sign off on things.

"I need a bigger temple."
"Purple is a good color."
"Etc."

[User210120]

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