Character Discussion - Lelouch

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

I believe that's because technically, V.V. isn't a Britannian.

Well, possibly. That sounds a bit too simple though...

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

Yeah but if he does that the people that seem to like Nunnally might defy him.

Oh, noes, Lelouch and his Black Knight would rebel! Who cares?

[Aquaman OS]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Oh, noes, Lelouch and his Black Knight would rebel! Who cares?

I was talking about Britannian people actually.

[Anh_Minh]

Yeah, sure. They'll fight the emperor for the sake of his blind crippled daughter. Very likely.

[Dann of Thursday]

The Britannian people really have nothing to gain by fighting the Emperor. If anything, they want him to win.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Yeah, sure. They'll fight the emperor for the sake of his blind crippled daughter. Very likely.

Quite a LOT of people within Britannia is quite willing to fight the Emperor if they think they stand a chance. People who are actually happy with Charle's rule are in the minority here.

That's why Zero is a threat; he becomes a figurehead for ALL oppressed people, Numbers or not. And it can pull anti-emperor sentiments out of the woodwork.

It happened once in Europe in the Code Geass universe, it can happen again.

[Dann of Thursday]

Oh, they are? I know the nobility is on his side, but do regular civilians gain that much by fighting him?

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

Oh, they are? I know the nobility is on his side, but do regular civilians gain that much by fighting him?

Ask Villetta. She is so frightened at the prospect of becoming a civilian again that she is committing treason. She is risking DEATH. All this wouldn't have been an issue if ordinary citizens were treated fairly.

I'd say the average Britannian had nothing to gain from the prosperity of the Britannian Empire. If you are not a Noble you are doomed, Numbered or not.

[Dean_the_Young]

Villetta fears losing her status, not her military employment. She doesn't want to be an Orange, which was one of her main character development points last season.

[Dann of Thursday]

She enjoys being of a higher rank than others. Anyone enjoys such a thing.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

She enjoys being of a higher rank than others. Anyone enjoys such a thing.

But Villetta was characterized as someone who was born into poverty. (Hinted at by her cooking skill in making a good meal out of few scant ingrediants in the fridge.) The only true rank she held before her recent Baroness position was a mere Knight title.

I remember discussions in season 1 about how Villetta rejected Ogi purely because she was afraid of becoming a commoner again. Hence she does still have feelings for him, as is now shown in R2.

[Dann of Thursday]

I suppose she could come to grips with the idea of being a commoner. It would probably make her happier anyway.

It would certainly help Lelouch even though he would still use her.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

I suppose she could come to grips with the idea of being a commoner. It would probably make her happier anyway.

It would certainly help Lelouch even though he would still use her.

She remember being a commoner. That's not new. She just has to realize that it is the System that is at fault, and not the poor and disadvantaged.

[Dann of Thursday]

I meant that it isn't a bad thing to simply being a commoner. That, like you said, it is the system and not the poor that are at fault.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

No what VCV meant was that the commoners have no chance of prosperity or that it's very very difficult.

Rolo asked Lelouch what university he wanted to go to but Lelouch replied that since he was a commoner, the prospects aren't that great. No matter what he does the nobles are the ones who hold the power or the positions.

Soooo technically speaking this SAR should also benefit normal britannian citizens.

On Rolo's assassination profiles we even see that they have a House of Commons vs. House or Lords and they have trouble pushing their agendas (Such as trying to prevent some areas being given correctional status).

I'm sure they would want as much equal opportunities or to be given a chance to be promoted to jobs that only Nobles are allowed to have.

[Dann of Thursday]

Oh, my bad.

I'd forgotten that some of Rolo's targets were people that were pushing correctional status.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Quite a LOT of people within Britannia is quite willing to fight the Emperor if they think they stand a chance. People who are actually happy with Charle's rule are in the minority here.

That's why Zero is a threat; he becomes a figurehead for ALL oppressed people, Numbers or not. And it can pull anti-emperor sentiments out of the woodwork.

It happened once in Europe in the Code Geass universe, it can happen again.

Possibly. But what's going to buy that are Zero's victories, and Nunally being angry because the Britanian army didn't respect her SAZ isn't going to be a factor, is all I'm saying.

[Terrestrial Dream]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Quite a LOT of people within Britannia is quite willing to fight the Emperor if they think they stand a chance. People who are actually happy with Charle's rule are in the minority here.

That's why Zero is a threat; he becomes a figurehead for ALL oppressed people, Numbers or not. And it can pull anti-emperor sentiments out of the woodwork.

It happened once in Europe in the Code Geass universe, it can happen again.

Really? From what I seen the common people seemed to be pretty happy (though satisfied might be better word). The reason is simple, because of the existence of numbers. As long as they have someone to look down on people they will feel better about themselves. Also Charles's speech in episode 7 reinforce this, his speech basically was Social Darwinism. Because of the propaganda I really don't think that Brittanian will join with Zero who has sided with Japanese or to Brittanian nothing more then bunch of elevens.

[miroku2192]

Originally Posted by Terrestrial Dream

Really? From what I seen the common people seemed to be pretty happy (though satisfied might be better word). The reason is simple, because of the existence of numbers. As long as they have someone to look down on people they will feel better about themselves. Also Charles's speech in episode 7 reinforce this, his speech basically was Social Darwinism. Because of the propaganda I really don't think that Brittanian will join with Zero who has sided with Japanese or to Brittanian nothing more then bunch of elevens.

social darwinism? but they're starting out unequal to begin with no? commoners aren't going to get past nobles...

if anything, it's like a bit of fascism mixed in with the whole darwinism idea

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Terrestrial Dream

Really? From what I seen the common people seemed to be pretty happy (though satisfied might be better word). The reason is simple, because of the existence of numbers. As long as they have someone to look down on people they will feel better about themselves. Also Charles's speech in episode 7 reinforce this, his speech basically was Social Darwinism. Because of the propaganda I really don't think that Brittanian will join with Zero who has sided with Japanese or to Brittanian nothing more then bunch of elevens.

Once again, I show Villetta as exhibit A.
You will never feel better about looking down on someone as long as you aren't a bastard and still have someone above you looking down on YOU. Joy of oppression is not a sport enjoyed by all.