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Old 2020-06-28, 20:58   Link #7181
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Remember those Evies abilities like a barrier that can protect them from physical attack and there's also a barrier used against magics. They can also analyze their opponent's weakness and used the necessary weapons against them. Plus there's also the issue of Vali becoming too exhausted because of consecutive fight against God class beings so I think Vali at that time cannot fully exert the current power of EJOD. Remember in EX even just Invade Fanatics (which power varies only from Dragon King class to Satan class)Ruma Ydura if I'm not mistaken is powerful that all of Issei's children and the residents of Hyoudou needs to band together to fight him and he also has an ability which can penetrate any barrier be it space, time and dimensional and he can also bombards or erase all history. So yeah even a Satan Class Evies is powerful much more for those who are more powerful Evies.
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Old 2020-06-29, 02:53   Link #7182
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it seems curious to me that the instincts of vali activated empireo juggernaut drive, being that in his normal balance breaker he should already be able to face the threats king dragon or satan level ... I say he defeated kokabiel in his normal balance breaker and that was at the beginning of dxd .
yes but he could use divide back then, now divide is a lost skill (? also if you pay attention vali was honestly nerfed the whole fight. guy can keep up whit nezha attacks but two hands at the same time and he cant do anything, not to mention how he let himself be used as a ping pong ball. poor vali always has to job
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Old 2020-06-29, 04:53   Link #7183
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Yes I agree Vali was too exhausted because of his consecutive fights against a transcendental beings and a god who both can placed in the current Top 10 strongest beings in the world which is Nezha and Hades so Vali in EJOD can't perform well against Gvardora and Bebevu Su.
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Old 2020-06-29, 07:13   Link #7184
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that still does not justify vali being a ping pong ball, he got tied and kicked over and over until he remembered he can actually attack
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Old 2020-06-29, 07:41   Link #7185
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It's too obvious Vali got caught by surprise at that moment by Gvardora after all the Evies abilities are still unknown to the Vali at that time plus there is his exhausted state that his armour got released on itself because of exhaustion of Stamina.
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Old 2020-06-29, 08:09   Link #7186
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vali has fought people when not knowing their abilities before, that part he straight up stood there to be kicked until he remembered that he can use aura. the problem is not getting caught in the threads, the problem is how long it took him to realize that he can escape them as easily as shooting at the hands
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Old 2020-07-04, 08:05   Link #7187
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For me this are the most plausible reasons for Vali's defeat against Gvardora and Bebevu Su based on their fight
1.Exhausted stamina due to consecutive fights against Hades and Nezha who both can be placed in the Top 10
2.Caught off guards as the Evies(machine lifeforms) are still new to them since this is the first time they encounter them.
3.Evies can analyze their opponent's even amidst the battle and use the weapons necessary weapons to fight against them example is them using optical weapons(which have some similarities to light weapons if I'm not mistaken)
4.Battle Styles of the Evies still unknown to the Vali team at that time.

They should be able to cope with them better than last time as Azazel already have some informations about Evies and they'll be in better shape unlike last time where they're exhausted because of consecutive fights.
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Old 2020-07-04, 08:14   Link #7188
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For me this are the most plausible reasons for Vali's defeat against Gvardora and Bebevu Su based on their fight
1.Exhausted stamina due to consecutive fights against Hades and Nezha who both can be placed in the Top 10
2.Caught off guards as the Evies(machine lifeforms) are still new to them since this is the first time they encounter them.
3.Evies can analyze their opponent's even amidst the battle and use the weapons necessary weapons to fight against them example is them using optical weapons(which have some similarities to light weapons if I'm not mistaken)
4.Battle Styles of the Evies still unknown to the Vali team at that time.

They should be able to cope with them better than last time as Azazel already have some informations about Evies and they'll be in better shape unlike last time where they're exhausted because of consecutive fights.
The factor surprise with the resistance is fundamental. At contrary of the two “invaders“ that know in part their enemies, Vali has seen for the first time something of unknown, not a normal life existence, but a machine with weapons not ordinary. Certainly everyone would be surprised and cautious, especially knowing that his resistance and stamina were very low.
Remembering that in Ex, we have seen ExE has a magic system or technology superior that was making the difference in the first meet with Gremory group.

The troubling problem is the fact that ExE already now is going to build specific weapons against DxD life form, improving their weakness having a machine body
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Old 2020-07-04, 11:01   Link #7189
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The troubling problem is the fact that ExE already now is going to build specific weapons against DxD life form, improving their weakness having a machine body
on the other hand machines can be stolen, reverse-engineered, reprogrammed and mass-produced so DxD side might feasibly start making their own ULs.
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Old 2020-07-04, 12:53   Link #7190
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on the other hand machines can be stolen, reverse-engineered, reprogrammed and mass-produced so DxD side might feasibly start making their own ULs.
DxD world has not the abilities to make a such thing, furthemore ExE machine have an onw will and we do not know nothing.
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Old 2020-07-04, 14:05   Link #7191
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DxD world has not the abilities to make a such thing, furthemore ExE machine have an onw will and we do not know nothing.
azazel built a megazord for the hell of it, they built fafnir tanks, they have a longinus that controls machines and lets not mention ajuka who can create artificial dimensions, there exists gog magog. they definitely should be able to build their own ULs eventually, yes the generals have their own will but im pretty sure they can also make ones that are willingly on their side. when put into scrutiny guys like azazel or ajuka are straight up cartoonish in their inventions
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Old 2020-07-05, 05:38   Link #7192
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I think there's a very big differences between UL(Machine Lifeforms) and machines. Azazel,Ajuka and the others can create weapons, Machines ,artificial sacred gear, artificial dimension etc.. but they shouldn't be able to create machine lifeforms but they should be able to create at least something close to it like maybe Gogmagog.
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Old 2020-07-05, 05:48   Link #7193
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The factor surprise with the resistance is fundamental. At contrary of the two “invaders“ that know in part their enemies, Vali has seen for the first time something of unknown, not a normal life existence, but a machine with weapons not ordinary. Certainly everyone would be surprised and cautious, especially knowing that his resistance and stamina were very low.
Remembering that in Ex, we have seen ExE has a magic system or technology superior that was making the difference in the first meet with Gremory group.

The troubling problem is the fact that ExE already now is going to build specific weapons against DxD life form, improving their weakness having a machine body
They should be able to fare better than last time the next time they fight against the Evies as Azazel have some informations about ExE and the ULs which was brought to him by the Future Gasper and he already also encounter the ULs.

Hope Ishi will introduce the Dragon form of Issei kind of like the Crimson Dragon Issei in EX.
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Old 2020-07-05, 07:14   Link #7194
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The Rating Game is the best time to unleash his dragon transformation. I do believe very much Issei is not gonna fight Diehauser with True DxD, so as a dragon instead would be great and more exciting to see than Issei in armour again.
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Old Yesterday, 07:35   Link #7195
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Yeah it should finally be the time for Ishi to introduced Issei's Crimson Dragon form. Itll be interesting to see Issei in his Dragon form and Ddraig wrecking havoc against Diehauser team and possibly Indra team. Issei will also need it as there's some Evies who are humongous or very large in size so it'll be more convenient for Issei to do widescale techniques in Dragon form rather than his Scale mail forms.
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Old Yesterday, 21:33   Link #7196
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They should be able to fare better than last time the next time they fight against the Evies as Azazel have some informations about ExE and the ULs which was brought to him by the Future Gasper and he already also encounter the ULs.

Hope Ishi will introduce the Dragon form of Issei kind of like the Crimson Dragon Issei in EX.
I would like it, but would be too sudden and incoherent, considering that issei never train himself in the partial transformation. When the only time showed, he could transform only a part of his body, not counting the obligated transformation with Dragon’s blood of vol20.

To be honest, I would Have liked see that form as final power of Shin as ExE, considering the dimensions of ExE
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Old Today, 08:24   Link #7197
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That Crimson Dragon form of Issei in EX should be Dragonification of Issei just like the other dragons who can turn into human like Crom and can turn into their Dragon form or their true form like the one showed by Crom in Volume 21 as based on EX he torn off the arm of Chief God class Evie Rezzwo Ruado.That Crimson Dragon definitely not ExE otherwise he can just kill that Chief god class Evie with the power of his final powerup ExE or whatever .Dragonification will be utilized greatly against the Evies much more for the humongous ones as he can do more large scale attacks in this form so I hope Ishi will introduce it in the near future.
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