(CR) Legend of the Galactic Heroes remake

[Ithekro]

This is a war where a trillion dead is a statistic. And if I remember correctly, will be happening eventually.

[JudgeKing]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

This is a war where a trillion dead is a statistic. And if I remember correctly, will be happening eventually.

The total population of humanity at the start of LoGH is ~40 billion.

[Ithekro]

I seem to recall the old version mentioning a trillion casualties from one of the longer campaigns as it if was nothing special. But then there might be the while long scale, short scale problem that sometimes comes up with the really large numbers in and outside the United States.

How many zeros in that billion? One short scale trillion is a long scale billion after all.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Kanon

I don't remember the exact dates, but we were told in the show that the FPA went undiscovered by the Empire for a few hundred years, giving them plenty of time to build up their strength, while, in the meantime, the empire was decaying.

If they ever go into details about the FPA's creation like the OVAs did, I hope they'll have more realistic numbers though. It struck me as completely ridiculous there.

FWIW, I looked it up in a wiki. The FPA was founded in 3327, and discovered in 3440.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

FWIW, I looked it up in a wiki. The FPA was founded in 3327, and discovered in 3440.

Less than I thought. There are other factors to take into account, like the people from the Empire who joined their side after they were discovered, but it's still hard if not impossible to believe they managed to mount a decent resistance in such a short time given that they started with only 400k people according to the wiki. I'm hoping they'll change that number here.

[JudgeKing]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

I seem to recall the old version mentioning a trillion casualties from one of the longer campaigns as it if was nothing special. But then there might be the while long scale, short scale problem that sometimes comes up with the really large numbers in and outside the United States.

How many zeros in that billion? One short scale trillion is a long scale billion after all.

40 billion as in 40,000,000,000.

Originally Posted by Kanon

Less than I thought. There are other factors to take into account, like the people from the Empire who joined their side after they were discovered, but it's still hard if not impossible to believe they managed to mount a decent resistance in such a short time given that they started with only 400k people according to the wiki. I'm hoping they'll change that number here.

The Exodus Fleet originally began with 400,000 people but by the time they reached the planet Heinessen, they were down to a mere 160,000.

[magnuskn]

Contrary to what people probably think, I really like this series. But the numbers don't add up very well.

[AntonKutovoi]

So, Andrew Fork is voiced by Hiroshi Kamiya? That’s... very fitting.
P.S. Translators can go the deepest Sithole and Falk themselves. No, seriously, why are they doing this?

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by AntonKutovoi

So, Andrew Fork is voiced by Hiroshi Kamiya? That’s... very fitting.
P.S. Translators can go the deepest Sithole and Falk themselves. No, seriously, why are they doing this?

Yeah, a lot of names feel really off.

[BloodyKitty]

Spoiler for ep 11:

So FPA's mission Falked up (funny name, I admit ) gloriously as much as the more rational FPA admirals have foretold, though the unexpected thing here is the Empire starving their own citizens to exhaust the FPA's supply. Without food arriving in time the Empire citizens of course started to rebel against the "liberating forces" from the FPA and stole their supply, then Reinhard's crew will come in as their savior to crush the FPA and give them food.

Reinhard can tell that Kircheis disagreed with this kind of plan that put a strain on their own citizens, but being the loyal friend he is Kircheis still trusts Reinhard with the victory in this battle anyway.

Seeing Admiral Bewcock destroying Falk with just his words is so satisfying.

[pervypig]

OMG, the guy actually get a fugging seizure while having a vid conference! How the heck did he even managed to get in the army if he's got medical condition?

[BloodyKitty]

Originally Posted by pervypig

OMG, the guy actually get a fugging seizure while having a vid conference! How the heck did he even managed to get in the army if he's got medical condition?

By the power of bluffing?

Maybe the FPA's army is currently so short of staff that the system has to become more lenient, which cause loop holes for guys like Falk to enter.

The quickest way is to check the other sources, given what the anime is telling right now there are still many other things that we can nitpick for days. But I still mostly enjoy what I'm seeing so I'll wait after the show ends.

Edit: https://twitter.com/kalengjelek/stat...86628101361664 The random soldiers in this episode actually have some interesting story, I need a fanfic for this

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by pervypig

OMG, the guy actually get a fugging seizure while having a vid conference! How the heck did he even managed to get in the army if he's got medical condition?

The commander in chief of that campaign doesn't look like God's gift to the military either. Nepotism and political connections would be my guess.

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So, I have to ask. Is starvation the normal state of affairs in that region of space? If not, how did Reinhard organize the confiscation of food so fast? If you don't want to resort to bombing depots and fields, that's got to be even harder a logistical problem than feeding them. And if you do want to resort to it, why didn't the FPA notice the craters when they arrived?

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

So, I have to ask. Is starvation the normal state of affairs in that region of space? If not, how did Reinhard organize the confiscation of food so fast? If you don't want to resort to bombing depots and fields, that's got to be even harder a logistical problem than feeding them. And if you do want to resort to it, why didn't the FPA notice the craters when they arrived?

Not sure if it was anime original content, but in the OVAs, he sent his fleets and had them confiscate all the food and evacuate the nobles ruling those planets. I don't remember how much time he had to do that.

[thundrakkon]

Even though all the food might be confiscated, it's unimaginable that whole planets with populations are unable to self sustain and provide additional food. When the Alliance troops arrived and brought them food from the supply line, there was enough time with supplied food for the planets to replenish their own food chain.


I love the story, but this was one of the parts I've always questioned in logic. Each planet should be at least self-sustainable with its own food supplies, even if all the reserves were taken.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Even though all the food might be confiscated, it's unimaginable that whole planets with populations are unable to self sustain and provide additional food. When the Alliance troops arrived and brought them food from the supply line, there was enough time with supplied food for the planets to replenish their own food chain.


I love the story, but this was one of the parts I've always questioned in logic. Each planet should be at least self-sustainable with its own food supplies, even if all the reserves were taken.

Yeah, that. I mean, Scorched Earth is a thing, but it should leave more visible scorching. (And even just taking the reserves is a non-trivial proposition.)

[Ithekro]

The Empire strikes me as one were all the food is sent to the nobles and redistributed (old feudal states), were, if its outside of harvest time, there is only the lords reserves. And who can guess how much is slated to feed the fleet, or worlds that don't or can't grow food for whatever reason.

Many of these worlds I don't see as self-sustaining. I seem some as purpose inhabited for specific resources and food is shipped from world to world from argo worlds and the like.

[HunterSeeker]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Yeah, that. I mean, Scorched Earth is a thing, but it should leave more visible scorching. (And even just taking the reserves is a non-trivial proposition.)

Actually, the Empire (especially the outer rim planets) are pretty poor as most of the wealth are being controlled by the nobles/administrators. Think about feudalism by a larger scale. They may have farms and livestocks left, but the point is that they don't have enough to feed all of themselves; even they do, they can't do it for long, so Reinhard basically leaves the peasants to be fed by FPA, draining their limited resources at the same time.

[Skaddix]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

I seem to recall the old version mentioning a trillion casualties from one of the longer campaigns as it if was nothing special. But then there might be the while long scale, short scale problem that sometimes comes up with the really large numbers in and outside the United States.

How many zeros in that billion? One short scale trillion is a long scale billion after all.

9 zeros at least and really they should have kept the old numbers I think Earth Alone in something like the Expanse has 30 Billion and they are still stuck in the solar system.

Hard to imagine you can have two forces with hundreds a habituated worlds and the population is only 30 Billion. Those are some pretty sparsely populated worlds hard to imagine the farmers are starving to death with that much arable land even in a Psuedo Feudal System and rich nobles hoarding the food.

[Jan-Poo]

I think this should be seen in the perspective that this is a galactic Empire and it is structured around that.

It's like in the past every civilization could sustain itself locally, but right now? There are several nations including first world nations that would face food shortage should they suddenly become isolated from the rest of the world. This is the effect of specialization.

I'm sure any of those planets could potentially become self-sufficient the likely problem is that they never were structured that way. If a planet, for instance, was colonized for mineral extraction, no effort was made to create extensive farming because it was more economically convenient to invest on the mining aspect and just import food from more fertile planets in the Empire.

But I think there's more than that, and it's likely the reason why Siegfried isn't happy with the whole plan. Reinhard has probably made sure to create faults in those planets' economical systems by removing key persons when he evacuated them.

So even if the planets can sustain themselves the production chain is in disarray.

Of course all of these problems could have been easily solved by investing a bit of time in repairing and restructuring the production and economic system of the liberated planets. But that's the main failing of this whole operation. the FPA has made the shortsighted decision to liberate the whole Galactic Empire when they should have rather decided to liberate one planet at a time.