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DeathStrike · 2012-12-08, 11:34

Five new video
http://www.saiyanisland.com/2012/12/...film-z-videos/

Tons of scans!!!

Some drawings by Oda

SOGESNAKE · 2012-12-08, 12:40

O-Oh my... 12 year old Nami... so adorable~

MAX_COLA_POWER! · 2012-12-13, 07:15

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Originally Posted by SOGESNAKE

O-Oh my... 12 year old Nami... so adorable~

Spoiler for Real age:

Blackbeard D. Kuma · 2012-12-15, 14:45

Here's some more juicy info, guys. Credit goes to Sandman from AP forums.

Volume Z

Spoiler for Z's Life:

Spoiler for Other small tidbits of info:

So it looks like the shichibukai that cut off Z's forearm wasn't Doflamingo after all. It's one of the new shichibukai that was recruited over the time-skip. Now I'm really intrigued to see who this guy is in due time. And we've finally got the ages of the admirals. Kizaru is now 58, Akainu 55, and Aokiji 49. I didn't expect Z to be Whitebeard's age. Sure he's an old timer, but I expected him to be 70 tops. Clearly the man was well past his prime, as his history indicates during his last years.

DeathStrike · 2012-12-15, 16:14

One Piece Film Z Grosses 750 Million Yen On First Day at Box Office

http://www.saiyanisland.com/2012/12/...0-million-yen/

marvelB · 2012-12-15, 19:37

Yeah, that info is really interesting. I actually think it's fitting that Z is as old as he is, because in some sense he DOES seem to be like the marine equivalent of Whitebeard. The other admiral's ages are just about what I expected, as well. Though I do find it interesting that both Kizaru and Akainu were already "monsters" when they first joined the marines (well, Akainu isn't surprising considering that SBS pic of him as a kid, but for even a laid-back guy like Kizaru to be a monster at that time......).

As far as the shichibukai goes, I also agree that it seems we can cross Dofla off that list now. And while Law sounds like the ideal perpetrator, I'm not convinced it's him either, at this point. While it's true he fits some criteria here (someone who became a warlord recently, has a "cutting" power), there's kind of the fact that his powers are really only semi-permanent. That is, any limb he slices apart can still be reattached without his help. So unless Law completely mangled up Z's arm, I doubt he was responsible for crippling him. Therefore, it's quite likely that the warlord in question may be a completely new character.....

paradox13 · 2012-12-15, 22:36

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So unless Law completely mangled up Z's arm, I doubt he was responsible for crippling him. Therefore, it's quite likely that the warlord in question may be a completely new character.....

I feel that Law is too proud to beg for his life.. I don't think hes above such underhanded methods but when it comes to his pride, he's a little like Luffy.

orangejuicetang · 2012-12-15, 22:43

There's also the fact that the incident took place nine years ago, meaning that Law would have had to been able to cut off his hand at age what... 17 years old? I find it hard to believe he'd have been capable of a feat like that then. Especially since I feel like being able to do that would have meant his bounty would be much higher than 200 mil when we first see him.

By 'monster', do you think it might be possible that it means they both had devil fruits by then?

Blackbeard D. Kuma · 2012-12-16, 01:48

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Originally Posted by orangejuicetang

By 'monster', do you think it might be possible that it means they both had devil fruits by then?

More likely it means that they were exceptionally strong newcomers into the marines force. After all, we've seen that the admirals are in a class of their own in comparison to the rest. Collectively, they are known as the "ultimate assault force" for that very reason.

ronin myael · 2012-12-16, 07:30

interesting new info. now i'm even more curious about this particular shichibukai.

marvelB · 2012-12-16, 16:54

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Originally Posted by Blackbeard D. Kuma

More likely it means that they were exceptionally strong newcomers into the marines force. After all, we've seen that the admirals are in a class of their own in comparison to the rest. Collectively, they are known as the "ultimate assault force" for that very reason.

Yeah, this pretty much sums up my thoughts, as well. It's kinda similar to how Luffy and Zoro were already above East Blue standards early in the series, I think. Both Kizaru and Akainu must have went through some hardcore training growing up (and again, it wouldn't be surprising for Akainu, when you remember that SBS pic of him).....

Blackbeard D. Kuma · 2012-12-16, 17:42

It's funny how Oda explicitly points out that Luffy only beats Z because the latter was a former admiral, sick, old, and out of his prime. That's enough of an indication that he doesn't want people jumping to the automatic conclusion that Luffy is now admiral level. However, if everything in this film is completely legit, it would mean that logically Luffy is now close to admiral level. In the beginning of the film, Z and Kizaru are evenly matched; neither one got the best of the other. For Luffy to beat someone like that truly is something.

SOL66 · 2012-12-16, 18:19

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Ever since Roger's death, Rayleigh retired from piracy, and thus he has been inactive for the past 24 years. Despite that inactivity and rustiness, he's still able to fight on par with an admiral. So even accounting for Shiki weakening over the years, he shouldn't have lost so much of his strength to the point where pre-time-skip Luffy could beat him. There's absolutely no plausible explanation for Shiki's loss besides PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity).

And on that note, with Z being a former admiral, there's no doubt he's going to suffer the same BS fate just so the hero Luffy could win.

Technically, while it said shiki was a rival to roger, it never said he was able to have a decent fight against him, coby is a rival to luffy but got his ass beat by him pretty bad, same for buggy, and shiki has had to completely change how he fights, he went from being a swordsman(like zoro) to fighting only with kicks(like sanji), add to that his age and 20 years of doing nothing, he got a lot weaker. While rayleigh was able to fight on par with an admiral, he got tired very fast, and had haki, shiki never showed any use of haki.

Luffy+billy(bird with electric powers) beat shiki, plus luffy had the weather on his side, shiki was an old swordsman who didnt have any swords in his hands

Strong World and Z were both overseen by oda himself, and shiki was mentioned in the manga, so how strong they are is the same as if they would have been introduced in the manga instead, they aren't just made weaker for the film

Blackbeard D. Kuma · 2012-12-16, 18:51

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Originally Posted by SOL66

Technically, while it said shiki was a rival to roger, it never said he was able to have a decent fight against him, coby is a rival to luffy but got his ass beat by him pretty bad, same for buggy, and shiki has had to completely change how he fights, he went from being a swordsman(like zoro) to fighting only with kicks(like sanji), add to that his age and 20 years of doing nothing, he got a lot weaker. While rayleigh was able to fight on par with an admiral, he got tired very fast, and had haki, shiki never showed any use of haki.

Luffy+billy(bird with electric powers) beat shiki, plus luffy had the weather on his side, shiki was an old swordsman who lost a hand to hand battle

It doesn't have to be outright stated that Shiki was able to have a decent fight against Roger; it's automatically inferred that he was able to. That would be like saying Garp was considerably inferior to Roger because Roger's statement about them nearly killing each other several times didn't indicate exactly when those duels/incidents occurred. For all we know, Roger could have been referring to his rookie days, but has since grown much stronger than Garp. I highly doubt it was Oda's intention for us to interpret these statements like this. They're not meant to downplay the characters in question; quite the contrary, they're meant to hype them up.

You do know that Oda also originally planned for Whitebeard to mention Shiki's name alongside Roger, Garp, and Sengoku, but he chose not to in order to not confuse readers and give them too much info. Roger, Garp, and Sengoku, are all individuals that Whitebeard had a high degree of respect for. You don't get that kind of acknowledgement by being a weakling, something Shiki clearly wasn't.

It's virtually unanimously agreed upon that Shiki's loss was handled poorly. It made no sense whatsoever given his legendary status, hype, and hax DF. We even saw in the movie how easily he took care of the monster trio, Ussop, and Chopper, simultaneously with one attack. Even accounting for deterioration of strength due to old age, we've seen that the old timers are still ludicrously powerful and can still tango with the best of the best. Shiki should be no exception.

Rayleigh didn't get tired very fast against Kizaru. Just because he panted a little doesn't equate to him getting exhausted. By that logic, we can say that Zoro and Luffy, for example, should have lost their battles against their respective past enemies because they panted in battle whereas their enemies didn't. Some people always blow that scene way out of proportion. The fact of the matter is that Rayleigh and Kizaru were locked in a stalemate, and Rayleigh was more than confident in stalling Kizaru despite his rustiness due to inactivity over the past 20 years.

As for characters not showing Haki pre-skip, I'm quite sure that Oda didn't visibly show haki's effects during those times either because he hadn't completely worked out the mechanics of Haki yet or because he didn't want to confuse readers about what was going on without explaining anything.

Blackbeard D. Kuma · 2012-12-16, 23:29

Update

It looks like some small tidbits of info got extracted from those scans Deathstrike posted above. Here it is an a nutshell:

-The marine has approximately 200 branches distributed throughout the 5 seas(Grand Line + the blues)
-there are 16 viceadmirals

It's good how there aren't many vice admirals. They're also an exceptional group of strong individuals in their own right second only to the admirals. Moreover, they're the ones that will eventually be promoted to admiral status in the future, so it's only proper that a small pool of candidates is used to make those decisions.

paradox13 · 2012-12-16, 23:52

Only 16? So have all of them appeared in the manga?

Blackbeard D. Kuma · 2012-12-17, 00:06

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Only 16? So have all of them appeared in the manga?

Yes, all of them have appeared in the manga. Here are all of their names:

1) Tsuru
2) John Giant
3) Comil (G-2)
4) Momonga (G-1)
5) Onigumo
6) Doberman
7) Strawberry
8) Yamakaji
9) Lacroix
10) Ronse
11) Stainless
12) Mozambia
13) Cancer
14) Dalmatian
15) Bastille
16) Smoker (G-5)
17) Vergo (G-5)

I guess they're not counting Vergo because he'll be exposed as a mole, stripped of his status, and locked up in jail once Smoker reports him (assuming he doesn't get swallowed up by Shinokuni).

paradox13 · 2012-12-17, 00:15

Are you sure none of them have died, been promoted or demoted in the time skip?

Blackbeard D. Kuma · 2012-12-17, 00:20

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Are you sure none of them have died, been promoted or demoted in the time skip?

Well, this info was compiled from those scans, which reflects what's going on post-skip. Notice how Garp is no longer a Vice Admiral since he retired/stepped down. But I know what you mean. Some of those 16 I mentioned may have been demoted or killed during the time skip, and thus some newcomers may have taken their spots.

marvelB · 2012-12-17, 18:24

I'm actually not surprised that there's sixteen VAs in total. In fact, it makes sense since it matches up with the number of commanders Whitebeard had in his crew (a couple of whom were already dead/incapacitated by the time the war happened). I also agree that we'll probably be seeing a bit of a shift in roster, though.... from what I can see, those scans are just going off from info we already knew. At the very least, I can see one or two of the Buster Call VAs taking an admiral's seat since two spots opened up during the skip.....

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Blackbeard D. Kuma Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007	Here's some more juicy info, guys. Credit goes to Sandman from AP forums. Volume Z Spoiler for Z's Life: [Age 14] Z entered the Naval Academy. He wanted to be a hero. [Age 18] He took part in actual fighting for the first time. [Age 28] Z was promoted to petty officer. He mastered Rokushiki. He realized that Marine is not always a hero. [Age 34] He began to be called "Black Arm". He was the master of Armament haki. [Age 38] He was promoted to Admiral. Zephr was popular among his subordinates. Roger and Whitebeard were in their golden age at that time. Z married. [Age 39] Z's son was born. [Age 42] Z's family were killed by a pirate. Z intended to resign Marine, but higer officer persuaded him to stay Marine. Z became an instructor. Akainu (age 23) and Kizaru (age 26) joined Marine. Both of them were already "Monsters". [Age 44] Aokiji (age 19) joined Marine. [Age 50] Z gave strict lessons to his disciples. [Age 65] A pirate cut Z's arm off. [Age 70] A Marine scientist gave "Battle Smasher" to Z. [Age 73] The pirate who had cut Z's arm off joined Shichibukai. [Age 74] Luffy beats Z. Spoiler for Other small tidbits of info: Z never killed his enemies. The pirate who cut Z's arm off had been caputured by Z once, but he had managed to run away praying for his life. He had told Z that he had family. Oda says that Luffy won the fight because Z was "former" Admiral. So it looks like the shichibukai that cut off Z's forearm wasn't Doflamingo after all. It's one of the new shichibukai that was recruited over the time-skip. Now I'm really intrigued to see who this guy is in due time. And we've finally got the ages of the admirals. Kizaru is now 58, Akainu 55, and Aokiji 49. I didn't expect Z to be Whitebeard's age. Sure he's an old timer, but I expected him to be 70 tops. Clearly the man was well past his prime, as his history indicates during his last years. __________________ Speed is weight. Have you ever been kicked at the speed of light?

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orangejuicetang Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Age: 32	There's also the fact that the incident took place nine years ago, meaning that Law would have had to been able to cut off his hand at age what... 17 years old? I find it hard to believe he'd have been capable of a feat like that then. Especially since I feel like being able to do that would have meant his bounty would be much higher than 200 mil when we first see him. By 'monster', do you think it might be possible that it means they both had devil fruits by then? __________________ WORDS IN THE HEART CANNOT BE TAKEN If a corrupt court will not behead an evil king, than the watchman should do it himself.

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marvelB Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Yeah, that info is really interesting. I actually think it's fitting that Z is as old as he is, because in some sense he DOES seem to be like the marine equivalent of Whitebeard. The other admiral's ages are just about what I expected, as well. Though I do find it interesting that both Kizaru and Akainu were already "monsters" when they first joined the marines (well, Akainu isn't surprising considering that SBS pic of him as a kid, but for even a laid-back guy like Kizaru to be a monster at that time......). As far as the shichibukai goes, I also agree that it seems we can cross Dofla off that list now. And while Law sounds like the ideal perpetrator, I'm not convinced it's him either, at this point. While it's true he fits some criteria here (someone who became a warlord recently, has a "cutting" power), there's kind of the fact that his powers are really only semi-permanent. That is, any limb he slices apart can still be reattached without his help. So unless Law completely mangled up Z's arm, I doubt he was responsible for crippling him. Therefore, it's quite likely that the warlord in question may be a completely new character.....

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Blackbeard D. Kuma Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007	It's funny how Oda explicitly points out that Luffy only beats Z because the latter was a former admiral, sick, old, and out of his prime. That's enough of an indication that he doesn't want people jumping to the automatic conclusion that Luffy is now admiral level. However, if everything in this film is completely legit, it would mean that logically Luffy is now close to admiral level. In the beginning of the film, Z and Kizaru are evenly matched; neither one got the best of the other. For Luffy to beat someone like that truly is something. __________________ Speed is weight. Have you ever been kicked at the speed of light?

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Blackbeard D. Kuma Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007	Update It looks like some small tidbits of info got extracted from those scans Deathstrike posted above. Here it is an a nutshell: -The marine has approximately 200 branches distributed throughout the 5 seas(Grand Line + the blues) -there are 16 viceadmirals It's good how there aren't many vice admirals. They're also an exceptional group of strong individuals in their own right second only to the admirals. Moreover, they're the ones that will eventually be promoted to admiral status in the future, so it's only proper that a small pool of candidates is used to make those decisions. __________________ Speed is weight. Have you ever been kicked at the speed of light?

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marvelB Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	I'm actually not surprised that there's sixteen VAs in total. In fact, it makes sense since it matches up with the number of commanders Whitebeard had in his crew (a couple of whom were already dead/incapacitated by the time the war happened). I also agree that we'll probably be seeing a bit of a shift in roster, though.... from what I can see, those scans are just going off from info we already knew. At the very least, I can see one or two of the Buster Call VAs taking an admiral's seat since two spots opened up during the skip.....