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Old 2017-10-28, 05:07   Link #2981
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I'm a bit late to the party, I've been drowning in stuff to do I haven't been able to watch the second half of the show at all, but finally finished it.

I was speechless for a little bit.

Granted, I still don't entirely understand what was going on with Altair in the first place, but I do like how they effectively had to defeat her via asspull... And then the show acknowledged that an asspull was the only way to defeat her.

I have to stress that simply acknowledging that it was an asspull would on its own not be enough to make it "okay". It's the careful way in which the plot was written that makes the story work despite (or perhaps because of) the asspull. That shit's hard to do, man.


All in all it's been a show quite unlike everything I've seen before... Yet done so well. I'll give it my rare 10/10.
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Old 2017-10-28, 18:58   Link #2982
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Since I had a bit other wishes to where the show should have gone, I only gave it a 8.5/10, but it definitely was one of the best shows of the last years, with ideas which you see very seldomly explored in media.

BTW, Altair pretty clearly was stronger than Selesia in ep one, when their blades lock you can see that Selesia was struggling while Altair was not even straining herself holding Selesias blade in place.
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Old 2017-10-28, 19:26   Link #2983
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BTW, Altair pretty clearly was stronger than Selesia in ep one, when their blades lock you can see that Selesia was struggling while Altair was not even straining herself holding Selesias blade in place.
Well, Altair may well be stronger there, but my point is that you are not going to infer from that scene that Altair can throw robots with two fingers anytime soon - if that were true she can just "flick" Selesia away.
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Old 2017-10-28, 22:10   Link #2984
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Fair enough.
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Old 2017-11-03, 09:44   Link #2985
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And I still want the shows depicted in the series to be introduced as individual franchises...

So uh, DO IT.

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Old 2017-11-11, 06:52   Link #2986
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At least Vogelchevalier should be a real series.
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Old 2017-11-11, 09:33   Link #2987
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Its not much, but its a start!

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Old 2017-11-11, 17:29   Link #2988
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Aw. Too bad I'm not into collecting anime action figures, Meteora is my favorite.
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Old 2017-11-23, 14:13   Link #2989
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I can't believe I missed this show initially...and I can't believe it's not more popular than it is.

Obviously, I haven't been alone with the fantasy of living alongside all my favorite fictional characters. And since that's just a fantasy, thinking that we could at least have an anime like that.

Re:Creators is the answer to why we can't have that, and simultaneously is the closest to that which we can have. It's also an evocative story on its own merit, and produced with great class.

A true sleeper hit, 9/10 from me.
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Old 2017-11-23, 16:25   Link #2990
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I think it was reasonably popular. It's just that it's rather difficult to recommend to people without explaining to much. At least, it is for me.
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Old 2017-11-25, 14:37   Link #2991
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Oh, I recommended it all the way through to everybody, to the point where I think I annoyed quite a few of them.
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Old 2017-11-25, 15:21   Link #2992
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It's firmly my pick for best non-sequel series of the year - with that said, I think the lack of buzz around it was due to it being an Amazon exclusive and most people not wanting to go through the double paywall or wading the seven seas to watch it.

I am still hoping that Aniplex will do a home release of this and get it at least some more recognition in the US...
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Old 2017-12-28, 19:15   Link #2993
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You met her at the airport?

Yeah, she is still in the "real world", they even made some sort of manga short with her after the show ended. Her powers will fade, though, but she probably had quite a lot of cash squared away from her time during the series.
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Old 2017-12-28, 19:33   Link #2994
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Promising for only the first two episodes, here it is; the most witless anime of 2017 that wants to tell you it's the best of the year. Selling its artificial soul every which way for mainstream recognition, Re:Creators is Anime for Dummies sludge, confusing its faint sprinkles of meta-fiction for a provoking commentary on japanimation sub-culture. That Re:Creators is advertised as the brainchild of Ei Aoki and Rei Hiroe means, for once, you know exactly who to blame. Aoki (of Girls Bravo...remember?) cribs Testuro Araki's flair for super-powered explosions, CG-animated titans and an epic Hiroyuki Sawano score, but without Araki's isolationist dabbling, Aoki has no particular targets to aim his shock and awe. Meanwhile, Rei Hiroe (of Black Lagoon) horribly exposes his inexperience in the small screen medium; without the friendly confines of a manga layout, his characters dabble in monologues which feel like 90% of the running time is evaporating from your attention. I correct myself, his character, if you realize one alone is required to drone away the 23 remaining minutes after the 2 minutes of choppy action have broadcast. Aoki and Hiroe are ying and yang in a bad way; the former isn't as smart as you hope, and the latter isn't as fun as you expect.

Re:Creators is this year's Kuromukuro, a terrible anime whose lack of derision is largely due to its distinction for being aggressively indistinct with its science fiction. It radiates this unhealthy obsession with mundane people doing mundane things, the message being that even though you're not piloting a mecha, you're still, you know, special. Shots of 2ch, Niconico Douga, and the like flash up as if the animators wanted to say, “We feel you man, we're topical!” Compare these brief snippets of otaku culture to how, in the original High School DxD, Issei unwittingly pumps himself up for combat after he debates with an otaku about the merits of “Drag So Ball Z”. High School DxD is smart because it knows why we love anime without spewing out the bullet points or telling us the virtues of being normal. Re:Creators thinks it's smart because, for instance, it knows how to parody Pixiv; it's immensely condescending to the point of boring. I saw a shot too of Tokyo Big Sight in an ED, but nothing else came of it; not topical enough, I guess.

The best character in Re:Creators, for the longest duration, is the swordswoman Selestia, who benefits immensely by the fact that she's the creation with the least desire for monologue and the most need for action sequences. When she isn't putting her sword through villains or windows, she's getting her driver's license, teases her beauty at a young boy, and ponders a mug of coffee. In short, she's an actual character and rarely ever a slave to the plot…until way late in the show when the animators remind us she has a fake boyfriend.

Meteora, on the other hand, is a cute fraud, everything this show shouldn't stand for and does. The walking, talking instruction manual of why reality and fiction have collided easily tops everyone else in monologue, and preventing the plot from nudging along. Her best moment is the only one with a spark of sublime, when she and Selestia check for onlookers, then float right over a gate to check out a temple. The scene would play a lot better of course if Meteora's monotonous narration wasn't joining forces with the music score to snuff the charm out. Meteora is a straight-faced Scrappy Doo, the character obviously smarter than everyone else, and the one everyone stops to listen to, because the series rarely allows anybody to do their own thing. We should be grateful that no one thought Re:Creators was going to be the next Dragonball, or the stupor of this girl may never end.

And she's indicative of this show's direction; Re:Creators claims it's smarter than you, because it alleges to discuss, drum roll please, real life. This means that despite the good action sequences with flying girls trying to blow each other away, much more time is spent on the people whose characters are brought to life. This bogs the excitement factor of the enterprise when a battle with a mecha pilot comes screeching to a halt, as a ministry figure flips her badge and then leads everyone into resolving the attack of anime creations through committee meetings galore because apparently that's how the actual Japanese handle every affair, politics or anime. Re:Creators then becomes not so much fantasy or adventure, but, of all possibilities, a procedural. Its decisive conceit, that a bunch of vaunted artists and writers in the anime/manga industry can work together to save the day, is rendered ever more cynical by the real-life murmurs that this series was originally conceived as a crossover event for actual, top-selling anime franchises, until disagreements amongst their creators undid the plan.

Whatever Re:Creators was intended to be, it should not be this boring. It shields its lack of nuance by alleging to be in the know of the anime/manga industry, helpfully informing us that writers and illustrators do sit around tables and talk. A lot. Oh sure, because Aoki and Hiroe are veterans of their respective industries, they must be authentic in their portrayal, so give them a pass. The people who gave us the superior Shirobako also were in the know, but at least they showed us the hassles, the absurdities and the minor victories accrued by the industry's worker bees, complete with chase sequences over a parking spot (Re:Creators even steals Shirobako's trope of a voluptuous girl next door as a weary artist). More importantly, Shirobako wasn't very happy with the industry and let us know that. Because Re:Creators drowns in so much talk, we get arguments, we get people walking out the door, and we get a few scribbles and crumpled papers, but the scope of what the industry is feels restricted, dare I say guarded. Consider the jarring addition of a buck-toothed geek who created a cute heroine come to life. The problem isn't that he's a pervert and thereby he's out of tone with the rest of the cast. The problem is if Aoki and Hiroe know such people exist, even flourish in the industry, what do they think of them? Sadly, the answer they cared to provide is the stuff of shopworn scripts; he is a pervert, but deep down inside he's a noble guy who cares for...oh, whatever.

The show's indecisiveness reaches its nadir in the teenage protagonist Souta, an amateur artist but not a professional. His lack of perspective in the field means he's on the outside, lower than tertiary next to nearly every industrial figure in the blabber queue, and his deep, dark secret, the one he unhelpfully hides until halfway through the series, is tangential not so much to the plot, but to the intentions of this production. Is Re:Creators about a departed's avatar of vengeance, or a behind-the-scenes look at how the anime industry saves Japan? If the answer is both, then one of Re:Creators's greatest failings is to glue these tonal dissonances together with soporific dialogue/monologue and a lead who sometimes appears with neither action nor dialogue just to remind us he's there. Much of Re:Creators's plot twists operate on time delay; you get the nagging sense the plot saves material in its pockets because the animators need to stretch it out for 22 episodes, but are unsure what to supply in the meantime. By the end of the series, we learn two more things about Souta. One, he is capable of creating a great character as long as she's one-dimensional and somebody has a weakness for said character. Two, he draws lousy pictures on Pixiv.

Its few attempts at humor are self-mocking, to its detriment. When Meteora recaps the first half of the series (like a production this smothered in dialogue needs a recap) as a buxom, tanned likeness of herself, it's intended as a fourth wall moment a la that South Park episode in which the kids, stuck in a school bus, tack on incongruous happy endings to their recollections. The problem is apart from bodily upgrades, the moment Meteora alters is still played too straight for incongruity; Altair is not just defeated, but killed. Cue the cymbals. The comedy falls flat because we don't doubt at all that Meteora, tanned or otherwise, is incapable of killing Altair; this alteration doesn't veer from the norm, but conforms to it. The sexy Meteora then isn't so much titillation as it is desperation, and while it may serve the meta-textual task of asking how much better a central source of exposition would look sporting cleavage and a butt crack, I don't see how admitting your own lost potential is supposed to absolve all the time you waste in the process.

Not helped by its flimsy humor, Re:Creators employs wildly inconsistent logic. A creation leaves a pool of blood on the floor, then vanishes into a cloud of pixelated cubes, while the blood remains. A far wittier course would allow the creation to bleed and then sink into shades of ink, leaving behind, to the horror of her witness, the colorful demarcation of a corpse laid against the walkway. But no, Re:Creators not only lacks the courage inherent in its concepts, it must conceal its dimness behind snazzy digital and sound effects, because, I don't know, 2-D animation always looks cooler when combined with CG. Remember when the effects juggernaut Who Framed Roger Rabbit? not only explained, but established what can kill a 'toon? No matter how much mumbo jumbo is put to use, Re:Creators is more about the technos than the pathos. The spinning swords were pretty cool though.

And for all it claims to be about art and imagination, its heart is pumping yen for blood cells. One of the story's most moronic sequences occurs when a creator guilt-trips her creation into joining the good guys after taking a bullet to the midsection, and then revealing, with blood running down her chin, she brought the creation's “daughter” back to life. The security guards then escort the hobbling creator, who shows her now-reformed creation that all along she was wearing a bulletproof vest, because, as the creator, she knew full well he could never shoot her in the head, because, gee, I don't know, she never wrote that he would? And how did she know the blunt force trauma from that Hellboy-sized gun was good enough to draw only a little blood, or that her insides weren't irreparably damaged? You'd think as his creator that she could dial his cell phone number and just tell him it's a girl.

The underlying message of Re:Creators cowardly holds the expression of art in disdain, that imagination is a very wonderful thing...so long as it gives everybody what they want. None of the Japanese citizens suffer the bulk of the creations' damage to the public streets, because in this realistic world they're all anime fans smart enough to safely confine themselves either at home or in a big dome, enjoying the Elimination Chamber live event in which Bray Wyatt..oops, wrong network. The show's all-too manufactured happy ending requires that some creators be crushed with grief to see their creations die, but all's well and good because they are set for promising careers ahead and their series are signed up for new seasons. The ending also necessitates that the most anarchic creation, the one who murders in cold blood, steals a hero's weapon, does absolutely nothing onscreen with it, and gives it back without any repercussions, then does further service to Souta and friends by walking away before the final two episodes, because consequences...what consequences? Let's not forget, too, how the villainous Altair, she of unspeakable, unrelenting power, is essentially bribed into wimping out because of Souta's specially forged idol, one of the biggest cosmic jokes in anime history, in which a crucial tragedy saves the day through, get this, its reenactment. By arguing that Japan's beloved subculture best appeases idiots, Re:Creators unintentionally makes a good case for why the anime/manga industry deserves to die.

The real shame here is that Aoki and Hiroe have to be connected to this morass when you know they're capable of spinning straw into gold. Hiroe's Black Lagoon is best when it's a shameless pulp ode with gun-toting maids, cross-dressing killer tykes, and a Chow Yun-Fat wannabe. I loved Aoki's Girls Bravo then and I still do (and watch how he mutated Mario Kaneda's original slop into subversive glee for the ecchi harem genre) and of course realize Re:Creators can't compare to the director's previous work Ga-Rei Zero, a braver effort with half the length, thrice the grit and blood, and no Hiroyuki Sawano soundtrack to provide cover. Sawano makes everything on the screen look better than it is; so much so, you wish his score made the only sounds in this series. The series's final gesture is the one that makes complete and total sense. When Meteora sets to becoming a writer herself, we learn that Aoki and Hiroe couldn't intend a more suitable candidate to pass the buck. Her career is doomed.

Rating: 1/10
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Old 2017-12-28, 21:35   Link #2995
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I Was Just Drifting a shame here there is not like as you deserved one thousand of those, the best comentary here, i only endure till chapter 5 but seems the series just got as expected a failure in every level.
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Old 2018-01-02, 23:34   Link #2996
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Eh, in retrospect it clearly was the best anime of the year for me. But whatever floats your boat.
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Old 2018-01-06, 16:58   Link #2997
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Yeah, while I can't say it was definitely best anime of year, it's certainly most memorable one and also one that I will most likely rewatch. It's was nice show and I have no regrets to watch it now or in future.
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Old 2018-01-06, 20:24   Link #2998
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Eh, in retrospect it clearly was the best anime of the year for me. But whatever floats your boat.
It's not even the best anime concept of the year. Not when Seikaisuru Kado (with its disappointment of an ending) exists.
Also, Uchouten Kazoku S2 or Made in Abyss would easily demolish Re:Creators as anime of the year.
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Old 2018-01-06, 20:52   Link #2999
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Also, Uchouten Kazoku S2 or Made in Abyss would easily demolish Re:Creators as anime of the year.
Yeah, I quite like R:C but I agree that Uchouten 2 & Abyss are more refined and have better writing and visuals overall (all three have their visual ups and downs). There's also Rakugo S2.
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Old 2018-01-10, 00:48   Link #3000
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