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Old 2017-11-18, 13:02   Link #101
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Season 2 episode 6 is out.

All that pain Hina had to deal with...I just want to give her a hug.

On a funnier note, she lost against Rei at shogi despite that he was heavily handicapped.
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Old 2017-11-18, 13:59   Link #102
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Does that fuckin teacher finally realize the shit that's happening in her class now? Holy moly, I can't wait to see what goes down in the teacher's office.

And Chiho's in counseling now? Jesus, can she not take a break?
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Old 2017-11-18, 14:09   Link #103
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i have to say I don't really like when they just translate "Bitch" directly. From what I've seen the term has some difference in meaning over there. Over here it can mean a broad range of things from a person who's been "owned" and is thus looked down on, or a person who's viewed as having an awful personality, or other things. In Japan, at least in anime, it seems to mean "slut" about 90% of the time. I prefer that in cases like this too because, like I said, over here the word could be interpreted as them just calling her a really nasty piece of work or something, rather than them looking at a girl who's getting attention from a popular boy and calling her a slut.

Anyway, I like the way things are impacted by the fact that, while Chiho was just terrified and upset, Hina is at the same time seething mad, mad enough that I imagine she really would beat those girls into the ground and put them through everything they'd dished out if she thought it would do any good or she thought it'd be in any way OK. And frankly, her choice to leave the message on the chalkboard feels like it was meant as a counterstrike of her own: rather than remove the message in shame and then quietly sit down she left the evidence stand so that even the teacher would have to walk in and find it staring her in the face.

I know I've talked about it before, but I love how creative the team is in their animation of this material. At once they manage to pretty much just show what was in the manga without adding or subtracting, while also managing to put in so much style and unique presentation to make it come alive. They jump around in styles like crazy, and pallets even more, but there's a real careful and deliberate pattern to it that really makes it shine. Literally so when we have Hina and Rei together.

BTW, it feels kind of strange how much Hina switches around how she refers to Rei. For a long time she calls him "Rei-chan" or "Rei-kun" then suddenly it's nothing but "Kiriyama-kun" and no clear explanation for why she's suddenly being more formal and reserved, unless it's because she feels uneasy with all the bullying?

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Old 2017-11-18, 15:08   Link #104
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Was that end card done by Kozue Amano of Aria fame? That was absolutely lovely

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Old 2017-11-18, 17:43   Link #105
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Does that fuckin teacher finally realize the shit that's happening in her class now? Holy moly, I can't wait to see what goes down in the teacher's office.
Dude, she understandes it just fine but do not want to make thing public as it will mean risking hert position.

Huge issue with Japanese education is that they try to blame the teacher if schoolers misbehave and it causes significant commotion so it is not rare for teacher to just behave if nothing happens.
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Old 2017-11-18, 19:17   Link #106
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This is the first time I noticed Hina switches between "Kiriyama-kun" and "Rei-chan". Has she been doing that all along?

It was painful to see what she had to go through in class, and to learn that her friend is still struggling. It's good of Rei to lend a hear to Hina, but I think he kinda overstepped his bounds when he tried to enlist Baseball guy's help. It made things worse for her than they already were. However, this might turn out to be a good thing. Hina has reached her boiling point and is ready to strike back.

I loved that Hina revealed her darkest thoughts to Rei, it shows she trusts him deeply. Honestly can't blame her for wanting those girls to suffer as much as her friend did. I'd say it's pretty natural, actually.

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Old 2017-11-18, 19:54   Link #107
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Hina wanting to the people that bullied her friend to suffer is a natural feeling and quite a few people in her position would feel the same way. The fact that she was willing to tell Rei her feelings shows a lot of trust.

While Rei's help is welcome, it's also nice to see Hina is getting a support network at school itself. Takahashi is spending time with her and also stood up for her in his own way. I wouldn't be surprised if Hina made friends with some people on the baseball team through him. Her teacher also seems to finally realize how severe her bullying problem is.
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Old 2017-11-19, 00:52   Link #108
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It made things worse for her than they already were.
Not necessarily. It showed her she wasn't alone, even at school. That in turn reminded her she wasn't wrong, she didn't deserve this, and that the bullies were the jerks.

So, despite the intensification of the bullying, I'd say it's a net positive.
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Old 2017-11-25, 13:07   Link #109
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Episode 7:

Interesting episode. The drama revolving Hina fades as the show is building up for the upcoming shogi matches. It's a good thing that Rei helped out Hina and her family.

Nikaidou bought in a good amount of humor into this episode as usual.

Rei's shogi match is interesting. It got down to business pretty fast and the narratives coming from is his usual inner thoughts. Overall, good stuff.
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Old 2017-11-25, 13:23   Link #110
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That teacher is trash. She's so unfit.
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Old 2017-11-25, 13:39   Link #111
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Yeah, so I've played a lot of Go tournaments...not the same thing as Kiriyama since it's overseas and amateur level, but they're out there. That occasional player who just pisses everyone off.

Talking shit during the game. Vibrating the table with their nervous mannerisms. Going AFK for 40 minutes of their time to hang out with their buddies. Getting mad when they lose. Criticizing your move for being "unreasonable" even though they're losing. I just want to play the damn game...

You'd like to flip the table on them, but it's better even to just resign and go home. Hina is in a similar spot. So close to losing her shit and strangling a bitch. But as justified as such a thing would seem at the time, it'd just make things more difficult. I hope she can hold it together.
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Old 2017-11-25, 18:45   Link #112
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That teacher is trash. She's so unfit.
All she cares about is herself. I hope she'll get fired. Her attitude made me so mad. The irritated prince of shogi was nothing compared to her (though he did tick me off quite a bit too )
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Old 2017-11-25, 21:35   Link #113
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That teacher is trash. She's so unfit.
Just when the ending of last episode made you think that she would realize her mistake and try to help Hina to so as to prevent a repeat of what happened with Chiho, it turns out that she hasn't learned a her lesson. Hopefully she'll get a wake up call soon.
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Old 2017-11-25, 23:43   Link #114
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Hina's teacher embodies a still very pervasive mentality in Japanese schools. I find it very commendable that this series' creators -and broadcasters- don't shy away from depicting a teacher like this. Hopefully they'll persist in this infuriating portrayal - to reflect this unfortunate aspect of Japanese society. Many teachers agree with the bullies while assigning blame to those who are bullied for their own horrendous treatment. Maddening but real. Redeeming this teacher is very tempting but I hope it doesn't happen. Would consider it a cop out...
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Old 2017-11-26, 15:04   Link #115
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Hina's teacher embodies a still very pervasive mentality in Japanese schools. I find it very commendable that this series' creators -and broadcasters- don't shy away from depicting a teacher like this. Hopefully they'll persist in this infuriating portrayal - to reflect this unfortunate aspect of Japanese society. Many teachers agree with the bullies while assigning blame to those who are bullied for their own horrendous treatment. Maddening but real. Redeeming this teacher is very tempting but I hope it doesn't happen. Would consider it a cop out...
Don't go acting like anyone else is any better. This's something that all school systems struggle with. And it happens for multiple reasons. Frequently, bullies tend to be alpha personalities with at least a moderate degree of charisma and influence and an ability to put on a look that the teachers and other authorities will like, while first targeting those that are in at least some ways a little more lacking in these areas, so that the teachers and others tend to like the bullies to some extent while tending more toward dislike toward the victim. You can see that to some degree with Chiho: compared to the other girls she's slightly rounder, and seems a little more of a pushover, making her easy to target. This isn't true of Hina, but Hina wasn't chosen for any reason like that, but just as revenge for her having attacked the main bully earlier.

Additionally, you also have the battle-weary, who have been through so many tragedies and even situations that they'd wound up making worse until finally they're only able to make it through to the other end by pretending nothing's happening. At most such a person would try to convince the victim to keep her head low and be more "cooperative" so as to avoid arousing even worse attacks (as if that works). This type is a little better than the former as they don't legitimately look at the bullies as good or the victims as bad, but they're still useless at best. I don't know if I can call this lady "trash", but she definitely shouldn't be teaching students, particularly not students in such a difficult year without assistance from someone with the guts to stand up and say something.
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Old 2017-11-26, 23:40   Link #116
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Don't go acting like anyone else is any better... etc ...
I'm not. I'm lauding this series for explicitly and unflinchingly portraying this particular behaviour from a Japanese teacher in the context of a series set in Japan, in Japanese schools. Portraying events occurring with alarming regularity in Japanese society at large. Because this teacher's behaviour is quite common in Japan. I'm also hoping the creators persist in their portrayal of this particular teacher and I'm hoping that the creators don't pretend that those who behave this way don't consider themselves as the ones giving "proper" guidance to those bullied students entrusted to their care. Such views as articulated by Hina's teacher are wrong but persistent. Showing that such ideas persist is necessary.

Blaming the bullied person for the treatment received is quite common and it is very useful to expose that. Hope is nice but often it must come from different people than from a teacher with this pervasive mentality and I therefore hope these creators stick with the scenario they've been following for this particular teacher - shown in conjunction with the collaborative anti-bullying campaign mentioned earlier, designed to offer alternatives to those who do not have supportive teachers, relatives and/or close friends and peers in whom to confide and from whom to receive encouragement and some measure of comfort when confronted with bullies and the far too common less than encouraging response from faculty and other authority figures.

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"playing among friends" *
The photo was taken in September 30, 2016. The student who took the picture of her own desk and chair attempted to take her own life in February 2017.

"An independent panel concluded that bullying by classmates led to the suicide attempt and that the school had failed to deal with the problem.

It said if the private senior high school had taken effective action, it is highly likely the student would not have attempted to take her own life in February."

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"The report said the teacher in charge of the victim's class regarded the plastering of the girl's desk and chair with masses of pieces of paper as just "playing among friends," and did not officially inform the school of the situation."

From: "Bullying at Kobe school leads to teenager's suicide attempt", an article By Hiroshi Takamatsu / Staff Writer for Asahi Shimbun - posted online November 27, 2017 at 15:45 JST

* Japanese: 「(仲間同士の)じゃれ合い」

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Old 2017-11-27, 12:44   Link #117
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Since this series is being used in conjunction with a national anti-bullying campaign, the portrayal of Hina's teacher seems especially pointed. I wonder if this portrayal caused much controversy at the NHK or MEXT when the campaign was being discussed.

I've been impressed by the ease with which SHAFT moves from realism to surrealism in this anime. I presume that the manga operates in the same fashion?

So after their encounter on the bridge, is Rei discovering he has feelings for Akari beyond her being an onee-sama? I found this striking since Hina seems to have been portrayed in the romantic partner role despite being only twelve. Akari is reportedly 21 on fan sites, so the age gap isn't all that large, four years or so.
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Old 2017-11-27, 14:34   Link #118
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Since this series is being used in conjunction with a national anti-bullying campaign, the portrayal of Hina's teacher seems especially pointed. I wonder if this portrayal caused much controversy at the NHK or MEXT when the campaign was being discussed.

I've been impressed by the ease with which SHAFT moves from realism to surrealism in this anime. I presume that the manga operates in the same fashion?

So after their encounter on the bridge, is Rei discovering he has feelings for Akari beyond her being an onee-sama? I found this striking since Hina seems to have been portrayed in the romantic partner role despite being only twelve. Akari is reportedly 21 on fan sites, so the age gap isn't all that large, four years or so.
Hina is in her last year of middle school which would make her 14/15. Last year of middle school in Japan, would correspond to the first year of most American's high school life, aka 9th grade.
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Old 2017-11-27, 22:22   Link #119
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Since this series is being used in conjunction with a national anti-bullying campaign, the portrayal of Hina's teacher seems especially pointed. I wonder if this portrayal caused much controversy at the NHK or MEXT when the campaign was being discussed.
Certainly hope some earnest discussion took place when adaptation of this series for broadcast by NHK was considered as well as with and within MEXT at the time this collaboration was proposed. Good reminder since I've been meaning to check if attention for this series and the anti-bullying campaign collaboration has made it into media coverage beyond anime/manga related sites - coverage in more general news outlets. Initial reactions and perhaps -early- reports on impact.
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Old 2017-12-02, 13:00   Link #120
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Season 2, episode 8:

Haha, Rei's homeroom teacher is a hothead.
I like the way they adapted the scenes with the devil gimmick and making fun of the characters' personalities in particular the first half of this episode.

Really glad they focused more on Nikaidou's character this episode. It not only showed his background story but also his connection with Shimada. Really insightful stuff. Nikaidou has been a comic relief but this episode shows him in a different light, one that is important in this season.

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