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Old 2017-12-02, 15:01   Link #121
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I rather enjoyed this episode. I kind of wish they'd give a specific diagnosis though. There are so many shows where you have a character with an "incurable illness" with a broad range of symptoms but nothing to give a specific name to it. In fact, in a lot of cases it at least seems like they just throw whatever symptoms would be convenient onto the character. I haven't really examined things carefully so it might actually be the case that the author has a specific condition in mind and is being careful about it, but still I get a little frustrated when it's left so vague.
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Old 2017-12-02, 19:36   Link #122
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I rather enjoyed this episode. I kind of wish they'd give a specific diagnosis though. There are so many shows where you have a character with an "incurable illness" with a broad range of symptoms but nothing to give a specific name to it. In fact, in a lot of cases it at least seems like they just throw whatever symptoms would be convenient onto the character. I haven't really examined things carefully so it might actually be the case that the author has a specific condition in mind and is being careful about it, but still I get a little frustrated when it's left so vague.
Eh, I thought the same thing watching the episode. Anime hates putting a name on diseases. I still kept waiting for it, since 3-Gatsu isn't your standard anime, but nope.

In any case, I loved that we finally got to learn more about Nikaidou. We knew he was sick, but I didn't think it was actually this bad. Rei will now see him in a new light, but I hope he won't change his attitude toward him. Well, being a little friendlier wouldn't hurt, but he should remain merciless when it comes to shogi. That's the best way to prove he respects him. A great guy like Nikaidou deserves at least this much.

The first chapter was good too. Hayashida truly is a great teacher. If I'm not mistaken, that's the first we've heard of the Kawamoto father. He sound like a real dick, abandoning his family like that.
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Old 2017-12-02, 21:02   Link #123
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Well, if they're going rip our hearts into shreds, at least they put it all into one episode.

This could be my "episode of the year" for its powerful mix of emotions and animation. Usually I wouldn't say that for a show with super-deformed sequences like those between Rei and the teacher, but this time I didn't care.

I really hope Nikkaido recovers. I never really warmed to him as a character until now. Sure, giving him an incurable disease is pretty melodramatic, but maybe I'm just a sucker for melodrama. I still think Yuuki in Moshidora is the prototype for this character, though, with her combination of beauty and weakness. Her lengthy hospitalization made me wonder about the Japanese medical system. Turns out Japan has the longest hospital stays in the developed world by a substantial margin.

I was hoping Rei would go over to Akari at the sink and give her a hug. She obviously needed one, but Rei doesn't know how to deal with his mix of feelings for her. I suspect he would have hugged Hina in the same situation.

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Old 2017-12-02, 21:42   Link #124
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I kind of wish they'd give a specific diagnosis though.... I haven't really examined things carefully so it might actually be the case that the author has a specific condition in mind and is being careful about it, but still I get a little frustrated when it's left so vague.
that is because the original, intended portrait character is an actual famous shoji player, most Japanese who know something about famous shoji players would know who Nikaido is supposed to be by “sight”, that would be Satoshi Murayama 9th dan, since this section is spoiler forbidden people who are interested can google him.

further, it was never explicit explain what Nikaido’s illness is, but there are sublet hints such as the baby fat that is actual edema, easy to tire, etc. the syndrome is obvious.

and one last, and IMO the most important point, is this allow the author the freedom to proceed her story with a free hand, by not mention what the illness is, (or is it terminal) the author is not restraint her story, (or being tied to history) so would Nikaido be saved? suspense builds good story, and this is a great story.
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Old 2017-12-02, 22:05   Link #125
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Old 2017-12-03, 02:03   Link #126
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All an actual name for the disease would do is give nitpickers a chance to say the symptoms aren't exactly textbook. Akari pegged it at "kidney problems", let it go at that.

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I was hoping Rei would go over to Akari at the sink and give her a hug. She obviously needed one, but Rei doesn't know how to deal with his mix of feelings for her. I suspect he would have hugged Hina in the same situation.
... I don't know about that. It looks awfully familiar to me. He's still clear on his position as "stranger".
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Old 2017-12-03, 08:32   Link #127
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...and one last, and IMO the most important point, is this allow the author the freedom to proceed her story with a free hand, by not mention what the illness is, (or is it terminal) the author is not restraint her story, (or being tied to history) so would Nikaido be saved? suspense builds good story, and this is a great story.
Makes sense. Probably also the reason she doesn't up and say Rei has Asperger or depression or any of the other things like that though someone who knows the conditions would have a fair chance of jumping and saying "that's almost TOO accurate".

But I'll have to look up this player, he sounds interesting.
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Old 2017-12-03, 13:21   Link #128
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It's not a medical drama, and that stuff wouldn't make sense to Rei anyways, so the "mystery ailment" treatment makes sense.

Clearly from the way he lives, you can tell the dude is on a clock.

I highly doubt he's gonna die as a semifinalist in a newcomer tournament. We got some pretty strong foreshadowing at the end that there will eventually be a final Nikaidou-Kiriyama showdown.
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Old 2017-12-03, 15:00   Link #129
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It's not a medical drama, and that stuff wouldn't make sense to Rei anyways, so the "mystery ailment" treatment makes sense.

Clearly from the way he lives, you can tell the dude is on a clock.

I highly doubt he's gonna die as a semifinalist in a newcomer tournament. We got some pretty strong foreshadowing at the end that there will eventually be a final Nikaidou-Kiriyama showdown.
True and fair enough. I only noted it as part of a general trend in anime. I hardly ever see any real definition given to diseases and syndromes. At least his issue doesn't seem to be his heart, which feels both the most cliché and the most incredibly generalized, with everyone suffering from similar symptoms and facing the same "ticking clock" which always has a "dangerous" surgery that'll immediately fix everything. Compared to that sort of stuff, this is nothing.

I wonder if Rei or any of the other major kishi were modeled after specific individuals...
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Old 2017-12-03, 21:57   Link #130
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It was good to see Hayashida get mad on Hina's behalf - to see him get outraged because of his pride in his profession as well. I don't always agree with the way he handles Rei's situation but seeing this teacher act like that because of the behaviour and words of another teacher in their treatment of a bullied student was a welcome moment in this episode nonetheless. A welcome reinforcement to us watching along that the reaction and inaction of Hina's teacher are unacceptable when confronted with the treatment Hina is receiving from her peers in her classroom.

Still, the imagery, his metamorphosis, the teacher who acts appropriately -or at least acts with the intention to assist Hina based on the conclusion that Hina isn't wrong - is depicted as a destructive monster. Has ゴジラ always been a misunderstood incarnation of righteous indignation?

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Old 2017-12-04, 00:14   Link #131
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Old 2017-12-09, 13:04   Link #132
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What a beautiful episode too. The amount of human feelings and the way Rei cares about his new family, especially Hina is just heartwarming. I love the psychology going on in his shogi match too.
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Old 2017-12-09, 13:05   Link #133
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Old 2017-12-09, 13:34   Link #134
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Awesome as always. Don't know if the animators are enjoying themselves or stressing themselves out, but they're really putting their heart into ever last frame of this.

I'm glad Hina had the courage to go on the trip. She may indeed have remembered and regretted having "run away" for years to come otherwise. But kudos to Rei there; he turned what would have been just another sad memory of constant isolation into a moment when he brought light to her once again. These two really do great together; Hina makes Rei feel like he belongs in the light, and Rei helps her find comfort when things get dark.

That said, might want to be careful with that stomach medicine. It was made for adults after all and Hina's really tiny. Giving her a medicine you don't know about could be a little risky.
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Old 2017-12-09, 18:12   Link #135
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That said, might want to be careful with that stomach medicine. It was made for adults after all and Hina's really tiny. Giving her a medicine you don't know about could be a little risky.
This conversation sounds familiar! Looks like I'm from a generation that is more risk-acceptant about managing medications than ones after me.

This show relentlessly pulls my strings every week. The scene at the river was cliched but beautiful and moving nonetheless.

Objects fly through the air in most scenes like this. Sometimes they are sakura blossoms, but this isn't the season for those. Falling leaves, perhaps?
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Old 2017-12-09, 20:16   Link #136
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I don't say it enough, but I agree Shaft is doing a terrific job on this show. The visuals are always beautiful, creative, and fit the mood perfectly.

Loved the episode from beginning to end. I'm so glad Rei won the tournament thanks to Nikaidou's previous advice. And of course, Rei being so concerned about Hina and demonstrating he knows her really well was awesome.
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Old 2017-12-10, 12:11   Link #137
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This conversation sounds familiar! Looks like I'm from a generation that is more risk-acceptant about managing medications than ones after me.

This show relentlessly pulls my strings every week. The scene at the river was cliched but beautiful and moving nonetheless.

Objects fly through the air in most scenes like this. Sometimes they are sakura blossoms, but this isn't the season for those. Falling leaves, perhaps?
We're talking about a medicine for nerve-related pain. If it's a drug for pain connected to things like stress and anxiety, then you really need to be careful. Simple pain relievers are one thing, but things that work on neurogenic problems can be dangerous. Anyway, I was just saying he'd better make sure to check and make sure he tells her the "kids'" dosage, because an adult dose in that tiny body could be dangerous.

And yeah, scenes like the river scene are cliché. But you know, fiction clichés develop because they're used so much, but they're used so much because they really work. Everything happening here rings true emotionally, and it's really easy to empathize and be moved by this sort of scenario, as long as there's nothing to shatter one's ability to believe. So if you know you have the right situation and story for it, and you know you have the talent to pull it off, why would anyone not go with a scene bound to move?
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Old 2017-12-10, 12:22   Link #138
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We're probably talking about over the counter stuff, though. I doubt Shimada or Yokomizo would be so irresponsible with prescription drugs as to give it away like candy.
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Old 2017-12-10, 17:44   Link #139
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So if you know you have the right situation and story for it, and you know you have the talent to pull it off, why would anyone not go with a scene bound to move?
As I said, I found it moving myself. I was impressed at how well they could turn what might be a cliche moment into a realistic emotional experience.
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Old 2017-12-11, 13:23   Link #140
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As I said, I found it moving myself. I was impressed at how well they could turn what might be a cliche moment into a realistic emotional experience.
Sorry, I wasn't meaning to suggest any sort of disagreement or anything. If anything I was voicing a kind of agreement: this, like a number of things, became a cliché because it's great when you know what you're doing, and the author clearly knows EXACTLY what she's doing.
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