Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 14 Discussion / Poll

[lua thien]

Originally Posted by DX HBK

Jiiya and Fumina are sure good sleeper cell elements.

Yeah, you got that right. I'd be surprised if Hecate suddenly acts like the blind musician Sara from Samurai Champloo in regards to dealing with Yuji and Shana.

[alvinkhorfire]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Spoiler for ep15 preview:

The silver gradually becomes liquid and creeps out of Yuuji... not just the arm... but a head, a neck, and shoulders.

Spoiler for Thoughts On Episode 15 Preview:

Marjorie and them were assuming that Yuji serves as a clue to where the Silver is. Now that it appears that Silver will emerge from Yuji, I don't know how Marjorie would respond to that. That whatever she seeks is closer than she had ever imagined?

[KaneDragon]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Spoiler for ep15 preview:

But the arm that appeared out of Yuuji's chest was covered in silver flames.
The silver gradually becomes liquid and creeps out of Yuuji... not just the arm... but a head, a neck, and shoulders.

Haha, I called it.

Originally Posted by KaneDragon

Or maybe Silver got sucked into the Raging Mango? That would be... anticlimactic. Or maybe Silver is like a Transformer, and is the Raging Mango's true identity! Yuji having a robot transformation would be pretty... interesting...

[cnnydz]

Originally Posted by KaneDragon

Or maybe Silver got sucked into the Raging Mango? That would be... anticlimactic. Or maybe Silver is like a Transformer, and is the Raging Mango's true identity! Yuji having a robot transformation would be pretty... interesting...

not really true.

[KaneDragon]

Originally Posted by cnnydz

not really true.

Oh you. Don't ruin my fun.

[taelrak]

Eh 2nd half of the episode was nice, showing Pheles's past and of course the ending was fairly well done (I was waiting for that expression of utter stupidity and disbelief on Shana and Yoshida's faces for the entire episode ).

Most of the first half was just another waste though - the whole "naive/stupid girl(Yoshida)/guy(Sakai) who wants to hang onto some human remnants of self-identity and somehow create world peace through love" cliche has been already been overdone in this entire series more than 20 times - not really sure why they made us watch through yet another one of them (esp. since we just had to put up with it when Wilhelmina did the the exact same thing to Margery).

Not even going to talk about the other wasted screentime where Shana and Yoshida starts telling each other they're not going to lose...yet again...maybe they just have really bad memories and couldn't recall the other 50 times they said that before?

Spoiler for who am i kidding:

I'm just hoping that they don't waste yet another entire episode on Sakai being his normal indecisive/misguided/stupid self of indulging in self-examination when he goes through his identity crisis after being possessed....but I don't think I'll have my hopes up

On another note, I hope they skip over the rest of Pheles's background as well. The guy's dead - if they want to cover that entire volume, they can always animate a side story or OVA for it. Move along anime, move along!

[cnnydz]

Originally Posted by taelrak

On another note, I hope they skip over the rest of Pheles's background as well. The guy's dead - if they want to cover that entire volume, they can always animate a side story or OVA for it. Move along anime, move along!

johan is not dead, he is alive and was sealed inside reiji maigo

[Terrestrial Dream]

Ok I liked this episode a lot especially at the end, where Pheles shows her true side and how she tricked them all. Great epsiode and finally Bal Masqué are on the move . Also I am going to make a crazy guess, so what would be a chance that Johan is Silver? Yes, it's quite stupid and crazy but who knows (beside the people who reads the novel)
Also only 18people voted?

[edgewalker00]

good thing cnnydz is here since he knows SnS well,

i have a few questions as well as theories on wth happened on this ep.

Spoiler:

1) is the fecor guy that cnnydz talked about on the novels the butler of konoe/hecate?
2) according to the novel discussions, fecor and hecate appeared first before pheles in the anime version, it was planned beautifully in a sense that pheles took advantage of the confusion while sabrac and hecate took advantage of pheles' attempt.
3) from this point on, there would be a lot of fighting right?
4) would sairei no hebi come out of yuuji or would it only be his emissary, silver?
5) when will the shakugan no shanatan II be released? (offtopic
6) could it be that the reason why Sairei no Hebi was named as such is because he appeared at the end of the misaki festival, or could it be because pheles betrayed them all during the event? after all, festivals would always come to an end and the sairei no hebi is the harbinger of that end... (guess im so paranoid ~_~)
7) could it be coincidence that johan (who likes festivals and hates how it ends) is locked up along with SnH?

[Kristen]

This episode was strange. Even though it wasn't intensive or anything like the S1 episodes, I still enjoyed it. Maybe it was because Kazumi came closer to winning!

I'm giving this a 7. Next week, from the preview, looks to be amazing. I'm just a little nervous that too much is slated for one episode, since it'll be Pheles and Kanoe arcs. But I'm glad they're finally ending the stupid Kanoe stuff.

Now, for the big thing. I am hoping with desperation that they change the OP either next week or the week after. Because I think Pheles's arc may end next week. If they don't change it, then that means there will not be a single other enemy that hasn't appeared yet this season. And I honestly do not want to go through something like episodes 3-7 again.

Anyways, here's to any and all Kazumi-ists out there!



They also had a plot hole. Yuji has many times more Power of Existance than he did in S1, and really did not use anywhere close to all of it in creating the Fuzetsu. Why does he need to wait to midnight to give it away?

[edgewalker00]

Originally Posted by ChrissieXD

They also had a plot hole. Yuji has many times more Power of Existance than he did in S1, and really did not use anywhere close to all of it in creating the Fuzetsu. Why does he need to wait to midnight to give it away?

well nobody knows what might happen in a day. i think that the reason they use it only on midnight is because they're too cautious. if yuuji used all his PoE hourse before midnight and a strong enemy comes, yuuji would be left with little to no PoE to handle the repairs.

at least at midnight, it is sure that we doesnt have to hold the battle long before recharging his PoE...

that's my opinion though

[Terrestrial Dream]

Originally Posted by ChrissieXD

They also had a plot hole. Yuji has many times more Power of Existance than he did in S1, and really did not use anywhere close to all of it in creating the Fuzetsu. Why does he need to wait to midnight to give it away?

I think they were waiting till midnight to check the reaction of Reiji Maigo when it charges again.

[minhtam1638]

Okay, speaking of Sterling01's spoiler, anybody worried that J.C. Staff might be rushing this one like they did with Zero no Tsukaima II? It just seems that somehow, the pace seems much too quick.

[taelrak]

Originally Posted by minhtam2448

Okay, speaking of Sterling01's spoiler, anybody worried that J.C. Staff might be rushing this one like they did with Zero no Tsukaima II? It just seems that somehow, the pace seems much too quick.

Well they only spent 12 episodes on completely irrelevant and pointless material, so I guess they're running out of episodes now? Granted the novels had a lot of pointless material too, but still..

They'll probably have to come up with some original ending anyway, unless they want to wait another year or so for season 3...(assuming they wait for the novels to come out with new material, as opposed to just making stuff up).

[serenade_beta]

We should keep novel spoilers in the novel thread.

[HashiriyaR32]

This image practically screams "JUST AS PLANNED!"



And I knew all along that Fumina and her "butler" were fakes.

[taelrak]

Pheles is awesome (compared to the rest of the cast so far that is)...

She manages to sum up the entirety of everyone in one sentence upon her arrival:

Wilhelmina: an old friend (which is of course her role to everyone else in every single situation in the past and now)

Margery: a spellcaster who doesn't care to see anything other than her objective

Shana: a hunter who indulges in her friendship

Yoshida: a single-minded, foolish girl

If the writers could have such awesome brevity, why didn't the apply it for an entire season+12 episodes?

Too bad her vision is so narrow...she'd be awesome if she had more perspective.

[Klashikari]

This episode was more or less average as the pace of events was quite fast, but the episode pace itself wasn't exactly balanced (the start was really draggy, to say the least).
I wonder if they are doing another budget episode. It isn't as silly as the infamous "wow teacher" erratic character design, but the traits were overly simple and disproportionate, with very dull colors and such.

Wilhelmina's lack of cautiousness was a bit strange: she knew that pheles had such avatar spell, but she didn't expect that until it shows up... Well, obviously it might be not obvious to expect that, but seriously, some doubt would be preferable.
Now, the real cringe session was the complete lack of reaction from the crew when the avatar exploded, and pheles enters in the stage...
I mean, why are they waiting like... 45 seconds (20:51 => 21:36) like bunch of sitting ducks (especially that yuuji was encased in that wind spell as soon as pheles arrived)? They didn't even try to do anything when Pheles went happily extracting on Yuuji?
I would expect Shana as hotblooded/hast to jump on the gun, but no, nothing...

The last scene was quite nice to deal a shocker and reversed situation, but seriously, the whole episode wasn't exactly flowing well.


Now, for a different matter, I will quote Serenade beta:

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

We should keep novel spoilers in the novel thread.

Except one slight correction: we must keep novel spoilers in the novel thread.
As stated in the weekly episode thread guidelines, future events spoilers are prohibited on such type of thread, even in spoiler tags. Please keep them in the spoiler thread and the novel thread. Any other spoiler of this kind in an episode thread will be deleted.

[OverFunk]

Oh wow. Can't say I saw that coming. I mean, the Pheles thing was in the realm of expectations, but after that, wow.

I was dissapointed on how Pheles had seemed to give up so easily on 13, then she more than made up for it on this episode.

[Southern Cross]

Originally Posted by HashiriyaR32

This image practically screams "JUST AS PLANNED!"

Hah, yeah, I caught the same impression when she made that smile.

Man, quite a few interesting images over this episode. There was one at the end that screamed "OWNED!"


I mean that expression in her face is priceless, especially considering that "just as planned" smile she gave out earlier. I'm sure she didn't see that coming.

This episode built up quite nicely - a little slow at the start, but the ending picked up quite a lot. I'll give it a fair 8, and I expect the next one to top it big time!