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The french resistance alone must have had oodles of uncelebrated warrior women. |
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2012-10-22, 10:56 | Link #82 | |
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But that may be a side effect of the "gender segregation" that Japan takes to media.
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2012-10-22, 13:07 | Link #84 | |
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Sexism in anime usually consists of three types: female characters in lots of actions or poses that are designed to titillate, affirmation of gender roles, and making female characters specifically weaker than male ones. All of these are fantasy-serving depictions that take the place of good charcterization. And when you boil it down, sexism is just an explanation for why a character is written or portrayed poorly.
Action Girls seem to me like a completely unrelated concept from this. Whether the depiction of a particular action girls is sexist would depend on how she is handled. I'm sure there are lots of examples of all these kinds. Quote:
The Soviets had some 800,000 women in the Red Army during World War II, many of them in front line combat. There were 89 women Heroes of the Soviet Union! It's going to be hard to top that.
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2012-10-22, 21:29 | Link #87 |
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You mean to only have lesbian innuendo? Seriously, there's lots of Western films with lesbians in them, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's true of European TV as well. It might not be common in Hollywood blockbusters or American TV, but it's your own fault for not watching other stuff.
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2012-10-23, 02:16 | Link #89 | |
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Is there something wrong with heterosexual women? When I think of soviet warrior women, I usually turn to the female pilots whose night bomb runs filled german hearts with fear. ^^ Last edited by relentlessflame; 2012-10-23 at 05:38. Reason: Please edit rather than double-posting |
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2012-10-23, 03:52 | Link #91 |
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asage: The embrace of yuri I think you're referring to is just another pandering/fanservice scheme towards men since it's so easily misinterpreted by privilege (both East and West), though, and would be included in the sexist category. With some exceptions, of course.
As a clever dude told me, and which I know ascribe to myself, they should try and write good balanced characters instead of sorting them into categories.
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2012-10-23, 11:40 | Link #92 | |
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2012-10-23, 11:49 | Link #93 |
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He is talking about the portrayal of lesbians in anime tho. In my opinion, those are just a poor reason to keep the girls celibate because the target audience would not stand their objects of adoration to be "just another guy's girl". I think this is what the Swede meant by "otaku pandering". As for the issue, I still stand by the opinion that it is still possible for a female character to kick ass, to be a loving wife and/or mother, and still be a strong and dignified character. My role model in that archetype, in fiction, is Sarah Connor. I can't think of an anime character that can stand the comparison to her.
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2012-10-23, 11:57 | Link #94 |
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What about it's sort of Canadian equivalent La Femme Nikita which I always used to see advertised on TV as a kid? Anyone else even remember this, I'm not sure how far down into the states it made it? It was supposedly based on a French film about a delinquent that is forced to become one of France's top assassins and her struggles trying to escape the life of a professional killer. I recall it being pretty good actually and being focused on character drama and morality as opposed to straight up action, but I never really saw all that much of it.
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2012-10-23, 13:13 | Link #96 |
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@4Tran: Yea, what Sheba said. The Wire comes to mind as an example where it's done well, for instance, and I'd agree it's often handled much more seriously. I wanted to point out something bad as well but actually couldn't come up with anything directly.
And the sheer mention of "Perfect Waifu" makes me cringe. Dang I hate that one.
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2012-10-23, 18:29 | Link #97 | |
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Some truly epic shit, only outdone by its predecessor the equally incredible Leon aka The Professional . Both examples of how an action movie need not be ultra-realistic to be good. Few TV shows depict homosexuality as honestly as The Wire. Kima Greggs is one of the coolest lesbians ever and Omar Little is pretty much the baddest character ever, gay or straight.
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2012-10-23, 22:32 | Link #98 |
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I think men and women should be free to sexualize their fictional representations of each other in fiction
Characters are not people. They are objects or concepts. Thus the author is free to do whatever they want with them. The alternative is censorship or thought crime. Though by the same logic, the audience is entitled to voice their opinion about it as long as the author is not bullied or pressured to modify his work. Other than that.. I don't ask much. I only ask for a female character to pass the Bechdel test. http://bechdeltest.com/ What this means is I ask for female characters to have other aspirations in life besides a man. It really bothers me when there is a token childhood or love interest character in a particular movie doesn't have any other friends besides the token male lead. It really bothers me when a girl's plan for college is to follow wherever A-kun is going to enroll in. It really bothers me when a girl's plan in life is "I want to be with A-kun forever and I need nothing else". It really bothers me when a girl's dream is to to help A-kun's dreams come true. God damnit.. even married wives have a life outside of her husband. At least the ones in civilized countries. To illustrate my point, I am going to use the heroines of Accel World and SAO as a comparison Snow Black: Deeply in love with Haruyuki. Some say, unrealistically. However, she has her own ambition and goals which are UNRELATED to Haruyuki. Her original intent was actually to use Haruyuki to fulfill her own goals. She has since became more personal with him, but at her core she's still ambitious and unwavering. Asuna: One of the best players in SAO. She falls in love with Kirito and... that's just it. I really don't see anything other facet of her other than "I want to be Kirito's wife". The treatment of her in the show doesn't help either. She is a prize for Kirito. She is something that he tried to win from Knights of Blood in a duel (why did she even consent to this? why didn't she fight for her own release?). And how she is something for him to win in ALO. It's hard to see her as a character instead of a trophy. So in regards to the original poster's examples: Akemi Homura (Madoka Magica) If she did all of that for a boy, I would personally be annoyed. But the context of the show makes me overlook a lot of things. There's more than just a "doing it for a girl" theme. There's also a moral aesop and a word of caution against wishes. Asuna Yuuki (Sword Art Online As stated Sakura Ichiko (Binbogami-ga) Delicious mix of selfish and nice But she's a comedy character. Why would I take anyone from a comedy seriously? Yui Takamura (Total Eclipse) She's comes of as a token love interest.. yes. But I can see that there's an other side to her besides "Yuuya... Yuuya!" x 99 Kuroyukihime (Accel World) I would join her legion Morgianna (Magi) I already read the manga but.. she's a solid character. She's really starting from zero and is trying to be a human being for the first time. Hakaze Kusaribe (Zetsuen No Tempest) Right now I don't consider her a character. I consider her the exposition narrator. Layla Malkal (Code Geass Akito The Rebellion) Don't know who that is. ..
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