(L) Claymore Manga

[RobotCat]

Changing from weekly to a 30 page monthly killed the pacing. There's also not a lot of tension in part 2, in part because almost everyone is plot armored compared to only a few people having plot armor in part 1.

[hamazura]

me too, im still reading this because its near end right? its not as impressive as before, now becomes very boring, prolonged and.... yeah just that, i hope clare and co wont get out the "laboratory" to fight dragon kin or whatever.

and this nude-claymore mode pris is too imba. not to mention her battle of regenerating arm leg etc etc with awkward and creepy smile all the time for 5239482342 chapter is so fvking boring.... not just her, the dust eater gigant boobs girl, and any other awakened / abyssal seems have boring unlimited regen as long as the author wants too.

[Fwarlord]

After reading the new update, I swear it portrayed Priscilla as a lone heroine who was gang up by a bunch of monsters and cowards. If Clare want to settle things with her and avenge Teresa, she should challenge Priscilla in in a one-on-one combat.

[Fenrir_valindri]

I would absolutely hate if it came down to a "only the main character can do anything" shounen final battle, when it has been stressed over and over that it just isn't possible for Clare to pull that off.

A stereotypical shounen final battle is the last thing Claymore needs. This isn't a duel to avenge Teresa's death, this is a desperate battle to destroy the greatest monster in existence.

Priscilla needs to die to prevent the entire island from becoming a desolate wasteland. You don't deal with that by challenging it to a 1 on 1 fight, you hit it with everything you've got and hope its enough.

[Kazu-kun]

^ Well, combined effort isn't going to work against Priscilla, so I hope Clare does have a shounen power-up up her sleeve. It might be cliche, but at this point I just want Priscilla to die and be done with it.

[Newhope]

Originally Posted by Nvis

I guess everyone just wants this to end already. Not as much discussion and no one posts anymore at the time(or even during RAWs) of release.

People lost interest simple as that, even Manga helpers forum where most of the old Animesuki posters went is pretty much dead now.

Since about the mid 90's chapters claymore went from a 9/10 manga to a 6 possibly 7 out of 10 manga for me I no longer follow it closely or buy the volumes.

[Tempest35]

Originally Posted by Fwarlord

After reading the new update, I swear it portrayed Priscilla as a lone heroine who was gang up by a bunch of monsters and cowards. If Clare want to settle things with her and avenge Teresa, she should challenge Priscilla in in a one-on-one combat.

...

Isn't that how we GOT into this entire MESS in the first place?

Because some rookie thought that' love and justice' was enough to take out the strongest of the No.1's of all time??? Likewise, a revenge duel is going to do about as much good as the first iteration of Clare vs Priscilla did.

[Fwarlord]

Originally Posted by Fenrir_valindri

I would absolutely hate if it came down to a "only the main character can do anything" shounen final battle, when it has been stressed over and over that it just isn't possible for Clare to pull that off.

A stereotypical shounen final battle is the last thing Claymore needs. This isn't a duel to avenge Teresa's death, this is a desperate battle to destroy the greatest monster in existence.

Priscilla needs to die to prevent the entire island from becoming a desolate wasteland. You don't deal with that by challenging it to a 1 on 1 fight, you hit it with everything you've got and hope its enough.

Ah, you got me wrong.
I didn't mean Clare can defeat Priscilla by herself. I mean if Clare want to avenge her savior then she should challenge Priscilla on her own, even if she will got own in an instant just like Raki.
And I cannot imagine a scenario when Priscilla gets defeated without some dues ex machina. She is just to OP now. The most logical way to save that island now is somehow convincing her to go to the mainland and let the dragon kings there challenge her power.

[germanturkey]

well, at least we got to the exciting part. we've only been waiting for this for a few years.

[Dj0rel]

Originally Posted by Fwarlord

The most logical way to save that island now is somehow convincing her to go to the mainland and let the dragon kings there challenge her power.

I actually wouldn't mind if it ended like this.

[Kazu-kun]

That's just boring. I want Clare to kick her ass. At this point I don't care if it doesn't make sense.

[germanturkey]

i just wanna see Teresa again.

[Tempest35]

It looks like it should have been the twin Goddesses, Clare and Miria instead of Clare and Teresa... Just saying.

[shalala]

Originally Posted by germanturkey

i just wanna see Teresa again.

I also want Irena to come back.

I'm sure Human Priscilla will do something again to hinder Priscilla. As she is far too OP.

[Gooral]

Originally Posted by Fenrir_valindri

I would absolutely hate if it came down to a "only the main character can do anything" shounen final battle, when it has been stressed over and over that it just isn't possible for Clare to pull that off.

A stereotypical shounen final battle is the last thing Claymore needs. This isn't a duel to avenge Teresa's death, this is a desperate battle to destroy the greatest monster in existence.

Priscilla needs to die to prevent the entire island from becoming a desolate wasteland. You don't deal with that by challenging it to a 1 on 1 fight, you hit it with everything you've got and hope its enough.

Couldn't disagree with you more (as always).

Firstly, the alternative, i.e. "nakama power can do anything" is at least as stereotypical as main hero vs. last boss fight. We've had a taste of this shit when Hysteria was defeated. It was the most ridiculous fight (maybe besides Prissy vs. Riful-doll but this one because of other reasons) in Claymore and one that was the breaking point for many Claymore fans. In fact the moment Clare was sat on a bench Claymore nose-dived big time. Constant resurrections (especially Miria's) and dumbing MiB down were main reasons for it. But I digress. My point is: anyone (including Miria) should be dead by now and no teamwork could change a thing. Not in this scale. Their power is so miniscule compared to Priscilla's that there might as well be an army of awakened Beings and it would still not make a difference. Alicia could decimate a dozen of stronger than average ABs in a matter of seconds and she was dealt with even more easily by Priscilla (and note that even Miria had a problem with army of AEs and couldn't do what Hysteria could do plus she considered remaining ABs as potentially more dangerous than Cassandra). I think further comment isn't necessary.

Secondly, Claymore was at its best when we were watching the story from Clare's POV. That's how Yagi got so many fans on board, not because of Miria, Deneve or Helen. And Claymore was at its best when the story was simple but logical, not chaotic and stupid (resurrections, blobs, jedi projections, not to mention walking ass...) It was another manga about revenge but presented in a way that appealed to many people. I would say that the way you present a story is more important than the story itself. The same is with jokes, some people can make you laugh when they tell even the worst joke and some people can't even with the best one. But I digress again... Point is: it was Clare wanting to kill Priscilla story and it was to be expected that sooner or later she will confront her. Yagi constructed it in a way that would give her a huge chance, i.e. he powered Clare with Teresa, the only being stronger than Priscilla (which Priscilla subconsciously knows, hence she let Clare live). In fact, he's reminding of this fact with each chapter, including 145. Seeing how easily Priscilla dealt with Clare's QS (which according to Clare and Priscilla is as powerful as Irene's) and how Priscilla was easily dealt with we can clearly see a gap between them.

Also, I find it interesting that you've changed your mind and now think that Priscilla needs to die. Waiting to see you acknowledging the fact Teresa was stronger than Priscilla :].

[Kazu-kun]

I'm with Gooral. This began as the story of Clare trying to kill Priscilla, and it should go back to that basic premise now that it's about to end. Maybe the motivation has changed, maybe Clare doesn't want revenge anymore. It matters not. Dealing with Priscilla is still up to Clare. That's what we all signed for after all.

[germanturkey]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

That's what we all signed for after all.

you do realize its been like 10 years since that. haha

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by germanturkey

you do realize its been like 10 years since that. haha

The more reason to go back to the basis.

[Dj0rel]

Originally Posted by Gooral

Firstly, the alternative, i.e. "nakama power can do anything" is at least as stereotypical as main hero vs. last boss fight.

Name one example as most mangas that keep talking about as you put it "nakama power" still fall down to as you say "main hero vs. last boss fight".

Originally Posted by Gooral

We've had a taste of this shit when Hysteria was defeated. It was the most ridiculous fight (maybe besides Prissy vs. Riful-doll but this one because of other reasons) in Claymore and one that was the breaking point for many Claymore fans.

If by "many Claymore fans" you mean vocal minority then yes it was a breaking point.

Originally Posted by Gooral

In fact the moment Clare was sat on a bench Claymore nose-dived big time. Constant resurrections (especially Miria's) and dumbing MiB down were main reasons for it. But I digress.

Yeah there was a lot of whining when Miria turned out to be alive. Vocal minority claimed that she was brought back due to negative reaction to her "death". But there was never any proof that this was the case. I on the other hand actually have the proof that Miria return was planed from the start. I admit that I too was fooled after I read that chapter but looking back now I clearly see that Miria's death was faker than porn star's breasts.

Originally Posted by Gooral

My point is: anyone (including Miria) should be dead by now and no teamwork could change a thing. Not in this scale.

So that's why the organization was sending four warriors after the AB's instead of one. Because teamwork doesn't change a thing.

Originally Posted by Gooral

Their power is so miniscule compared to Priscilla's that there might as well be an army of awakened Beings and it would still not make a difference. Alicia could decimate a dozen of stronger than average ABs in a matter of seconds and she was dealt with even more easily by Priscilla (and note that even Miria had a problem with army of AEs and couldn't do what Hysteria could do plus she considered remaining ABs as potentially more dangerous than Cassandra). I think further comment isn't necessary.

So according to your logic, one character whose power is miniscule compared to Priscilla should have a better chance than a bunch of them? Did you forget already what happened last time Clare tried to fight Priscilla on her own.

Originally Posted by Gooral

Secondly, Claymore was at its best when we were watching the story from Clare's POV. That's how Yagi got so many fans on board, not because of Miria, Deneve or Helen. And Claymore was at its best when the story was simple but logical, not chaotic and stupid (resurrections, blobs, jedi projections, not to mention walking ass...) It was another manga about revenge but presented in a way that appealed to many people. I would say that the way you present a story is more important than the story itself. The same is with jokes, some people can make you laugh when they tell even the worst joke and some people can't even with the best one.

You talk about the importance of story presentation and then complain about story itself.

Originally Posted by Gooral

Point is: it was Clare wanting to kill Priscilla story and it was to be expected that sooner or later she will confront her.

No, it's wasn't. It wasn't ever since Priscilla was established as the strongest and hungriest AB ever. The stakes were too big to get resolved by something as simple as revenge. Tell me, why does Clare have any more right to kill Priscilla than say Galatea? The answer is she doesn't. Priscilla is a huge threat to everyone on the continent equally and eliminating her takes top priority. Who is the person that gets to do it is completely irrelevant.

Oh, and Clare wanting to kill Priscilla is not a story, it's part of her character.

Originally Posted by Gooral

Yagi constructed it in a way that would give her a huge chance, i.e. he powered Clare with Teresa, the only being stronger than Priscilla (which Priscilla subconsciously knows, hence she let Clare live). In fact, he's reminding of this fact with each chapter, including 145. Seeing how easily Priscilla dealt with Clare's QS (which according to Clare and Priscilla is as powerful as Irene's) and how Priscilla was easily dealt with we can clearly see a gap between them.

Clare has up until this point never shown to inherit any portion of Teresa's power. In fact everything points to the fact that the opposite is truth. Anyone who has ever known about Teresa being inside Clare has said that Clare is weaker because of it. Through all of the story Clare had to gain her own strength and if all of this gets resolved by Clare suddenly calling upon Teresa's power it will be an... hmm what's that word again, the one you like to use so much... oh that's right an asspull.

During these past few years there had been a lot of bitching and whining about Claymore by selected few but I've never seen any legitimate criticism.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Dj0rel

Clare wanting to kill Priscilla is not a story, it's part of her character.

It's both, since Clare is the main character and a story is primarily defined by a main character seeking to achieve a goal. Of course, stories can change along the way, and this story certainly changed as Clare got over her revenge motivation. But up to that point, the main premise of this story was indeed "Clare wanting to kill Priscilla."

That been said, I expect we're going to go back full circle one way or another. Clare might have gotten over her revenge, but she's still the main protagonist and Priscilla is the main antagonist and I'm pretty sure things will ultimately come down to a one on one fight between them. At most I expect Raki to factor into it somehow, but that's about it.