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2006-07-10, 13:43 | Link #902 |
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Please people, do not post potentially inflammatory imagery to this thread.
Yes, some of the "stuff" floating around currently is very funny. I find some of it humorous as well, but please leave it at the door when entering this thread. "Retort" images tend to spiral out of control in fast moving flame wars and we really don't need that. Humans, especially young men are extremely visual by nature and can become quite excitable with visually stimulated. Please don’t fuel the simmering feelings of angst. If you enjoy razzing or taunting people visually, I suggest you join me at Fark.com. It's allowed and even encouraged to a degree. Thanks for your understanding. Cheers. PS. No, I'm not French. I'm an American, but my nationality never factors into my Mod decisions around here. If it did, I would have long ago change the title of this thread to The Official Soccer Thread. |
2006-07-10, 14:15 | Link #903 |
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I heard the Italian said something about his mother (who's very ill, maybe dying.) Zidane also lost some kind of father figure a few months ago.
And I don't see why it'd disgrace his carreer. Wasn't he always the generally-mild-but-with-an-explosive-temper type? (Still, I wish he'd waited until after the game. Then he could have kicked the other guy in the nuts or whatever.) |
2006-07-10, 16:04 | Link #904 | |
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2006-07-10, 16:45 | Link #905 |
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The real question is, why did Zidane stop at just a headbutt? He must have known he would be sent off and he's supposedly retiring soon so why not give him a royal asskicking? I'm not condoning what Zidane did, I think it was the stupidest thing any footballer could possibly have done (wouldn't be surprised if he did it on purpose, but that's another issue altogether), but as the saying goes "Might as well be hung for a sheep as for a lamb." If you've gotta do it, go the whole hog!
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2006-07-10, 17:19 | Link #906 | |
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to knock down Materazzi plus none of the referees had actually witness it ^^. Reminded me a bit at that incident, where cantona lauchned a kick at a crystal palast fan. Maybe because both are french. |
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2006-07-10, 19:01 | Link #908 | |
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Such a sweet victory and I am having such a great day reading comments on different forums from all kinds of Zidane fanboys trying to justify his actions. Yes, I know it's a guilty pleasure, I can't help it. If it was the other way round - Materazzi hitting Zidane, few people would bother to find justifications. But now - "Oh, God, Materazzi must have said something racist, let's just forget that Zidane has a history of going insane for a moment and being sent off.". Talk about jumping to conclusions... Oh well, Materazzi has the World Cup, so I guess he can bear the media idiocy. If it is proved he said something really bad - by all means, punish him in some way.Just make sure to punish every other trash talker out there too - let's say about half of the world footballers.
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2006-07-10, 21:11 | Link #909 | |
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A headbut to someone that pissing you off, its normal. well not normal in a soccer match and its certainly not something everyone would but taking thing to a physical level if they really! pissed you off in a certain way and you are the type to get annoyed is understandable. He knew it wasn't going to injure Materazzi doing it (i think ) and he wasn't trying to 'cheat' in the game, so i cant hate him for it. I guess also because I watch other sports were fights break out off the play.. that it seems human to do such a thing. Not that interested in what people say Materazzi said.. only when it comes from a few of the players will I listen. Still whatever Materazzi and anyone says still I love Zizou just as much for that headbut or mabye even more =) Last edited by evil-samurai; 2006-07-11 at 00:06. |
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2006-07-11, 05:13 | Link #910 | |
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While it's obvious there are unpleasant people here in Italy, like evreywhere in the world (France included), we Italians have the courage to criticize our best champions if they do something wrong, like we did with Totti some time ago. Anyway I have to thank sincerely average Frenchs and Germans: their offenses helped the re-born of a national feeling among us Italians and a dramatic reduction in Germans and Frenchs reputation over here. The truth is that the problems are evreywhere: in Italy like in French... where there are lots of "cultured people" and in the suburbs lots of black people poor and starving. Bye bye from Italy |
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2006-07-11, 06:24 | Link #911 |
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Well, I have some time so here are some comments on the WC.
This is probably one of the poorest WC that I've seen. No offense to French or Italians, but both teams don't have (at this time) what it takes to call themselves champions of the world. Just check how they went forward in the competition. Sad, sad.... The other big bucks that were a let down were Brazil, Germany and England. Brazil playing with France was a joke, Roberto Carlos was adjusting his freaking socks while Henry passed by him and scored. No one didn't do anything, the so called best player in the world didn't score once in the competition, and Ronaldo after hitting the all time biggest scorer position in WCs just relaxed. England? With my countryman Sven as coach, they were bound to lose I think. But not like that.. Germany?? What happened to Germany? Oh, yeah, they are good hosts and let other people win...but I was expecting more from Germany... And for those in here discussing Zidane, Italy and related prejudices, sometime ago some people here were raving how nice was to have European-only countries in a final. Is that what we have to show to the rest of the world? /end of rant |
2006-07-11, 06:52 | Link #912 | |
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But, what made me laugh, if it is correct of course, Materazzi's comments regarding the incident, saying that [after the claims that he called Zidane a terrorist (or according to a British mouth reader, using this word for his mother)] he doesn't even know the meaning of the word Islamic terrorist/terrorism. Now, that is a comment deserving a great laugh, maybe in a "laughing to the pitiful state" kind of way. PS: Zidane shouldn't have been awarded the Golden Ball mainly because of the incident, but it seems that many people have chosen to ignore it. |
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2006-07-11, 09:08 | Link #913 | |
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2006-07-11, 10:51 | Link #915 | |
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In fact, the general knowlegde that he is so volatile makes their reactions even more incredulous. Hence my: "Come on, thats Zizou! What do you expect??" line. |
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2006-07-11, 14:22 | Link #916 |
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The thing is, Materazzi IS a racist scumbag. He's always been. While that doesn't justify what Zidane did and his red was deserved, people are looking for the reason for that kind of reaction.
Moreover, assuming Materazzi said nothing is still as much of an assumption as assuming he said something. And considering his track record as a cheat I know which one is safer. To be honest, I'm sorry to say this to the italian fans, but although the red was fully deserved the team's reaction was disgraceful (and unfortunately hardly unusual). One player on the ground whining as if he'd been sniped with the rest of the team complaining to the ref. I'm sometimes even disgusted at my own team's behaviour with the diving and whining, too. I think it ruins football. Anyway, I'm not too bothered by Italy winning the cup so long as this doesn't affect the corruption case. But daddy Silvio always has an ace up his sleeve to save Milan so god knows...
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2006-07-11, 14:26 | Link #917 | |
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Bullshit. I just found out what that italian guy said to zidane... and all i have to say is GOOD JOB ZIDANE. Should of knocked the shit out of that guy some more. I can't believe their are still racist people in such a large event like the world cup. |
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2006-07-11, 14:32 | Link #918 | |
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Apparently provoking one's opponent is all part of the game in Italy and indeed all over Europe: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...06/5168622.stm
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2006-07-11, 19:04 | Link #920 |
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The problem with trashtalking in soccer is that the refs and FIFA try to make it be a completely whitewashed sport. Oh no, a guy fell down because of contact! FOUL!!!! OMG, a guy fell down because Zidane gave him a headbutt! RED CARD!!! WAAAAAAAH!!! CLEAN UP YOUR ACTS, WE ARE ALL LOVE AND HUGS PEOPLE!
I mean for the most part, soccer has EXTREME amounts of sportsmanship, with opposing players picking each other up after unintentional fouls, smiles, hugs and handshakes, and just about all of the best gestures you can see in sports that make American sports look like the lowest of trash in comparison. The problem with soccer is that there will always be those few scumbags that ruin it for everyone else. Christiano Ronaldo, the whiny diving bitch, and Matterazzi, that racist insulting asshole that can drive any player so insane that they lose their tempers. The worst thing was, though, that Zidane has a HUGE history of being on a short fuse with a very fiery temper. In 1998, he STOMPED on the back of a saudi player. In 2000, he headbutted a german player in some world championship or something, and now he decks Matterazzi. Though in such an otherwise clean game, those who would resort to insults and other dirty tricks to get the best of their opponents should be banned from the game since they ruin so much of its spirit. And heck, even after that headbutt, I don't think of Zidane as any less of a guy. He's a genius with the ball, and a generally genuine-seeming guy without it, being extremely upstanding in all situations in this world cup except this one. Though IMHO the rules of soccer need to have a little slackening to prevent divers drawing fouls. If the ball is played, even if the guy gets decked, there needs to be no foul. The only time there should be a foul is if the man simply gets decked, but the ball is missed. So tactical fouls would still be called, but as for diving, no thx. Too bad there can't be divecams 1000 or something...so that if a player dove intentionally, he'd get a yellow for unsportsmanlike conduct.
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