2010-07-05, 22:44 | Link #2301 | |
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2. Assuming Shkanon is right, we have one body doing work for two servants.
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You asked me to give an explanation about what Shkanon explains. It doesn't need to convince you. An explanation you wanted and explanation I gave you. Now I won't let you start arguments on how "this explanation doesn't convince me" so that you can say later "no one gave me an explanation" because those are two completely different statements Tell me how this explanation doesn't answer your question Not how this explanation sounds bullshit to you Quote:
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Keep believing that the love trial was just bullshit but I can only think that you are doing a terrible mistake in doing so. And I never said that Beatrice was created by accident. And no it can't be a facade. A facade wouldn't have half the soul of the original host. The split makes them on the very same ground. Keep thinking that it's all bullshit what that person said, but I don't. You are making a terrible mistake. Quote:
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I don't need to prove that shkanon explain the most important thing about the gameboard to prove that it isn't true that shkanon doesn't explain crap. I just need to prove it explain something to prove your statement false. About Bern Yada yada. She's deceiving not a liar. I said it all. You can't see difference? You want to say that it's the same thing? I'm not going to follow you there. And that's no reason to deny anything that Bern says. Really Bern said a lot of things and do you think the few stuff you mentioned amount to even 5% of all the things she said? If you can't make it at least 50% I guess that means there's a higher probability that taking a bern statement randomly you'll find a truth rather than a lie. In conclusion: Prove that in the particular cases that I mentioned she was lying. Quote:
If I start replying to all those questions I'll just double the points I'm debating. Most of them are repetition of what you asked me already and I'm answering already. I can't believe that in order to deny the single statement that "shkanon doesn't explain anything" I need to write a poem. I repeat: I only need to prove that shkanon explains something in order to disprove your statement.
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2010-07-05, 22:50 | Link #2303 | |
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I mean, really, she HAS to have her relationships with Shannon and Kanon be a lie if the two are one and the same. Perhaps if she went on "Buisness trips" often like Rosa did, I could see where you are coming from, but since she's known Shanon for all her life, I can't buy your argument. |
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2010-07-05, 22:51 | Link #2304 |
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Okay I'll bite. Jessica like any other human being spends 1/3rd of her life sleeping (at least 8 hours a day). And assuming she has about 8 hours of school and about 2 hours of home work that's about 18 hours not being together every day not counting sundays, which is a day off in Japan.
She still has 52 hours left every week to figure out: "Hey! something is going on here! Maybe my best friend is trying to make me feel better by pretending to be my fake boyfriend that doesn't even really exist! I should do something about that..."
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2010-07-05, 23:02 | Link #2305 |
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Well, I'm sorry you refuse to do even the simplest thing I asked of you, Jan-Poo, and responded to all the other things and completely ignored the one part I clearly wanted you to answer. But thank you for making your perspective on the story absolutely clear. Since you only care about which theory is right, even at the expense of characterization, theme, artistic merit, or just about anything else that doesn't directly pertain to the text, I won't bother discussing why the text has any literary value. I apologize for wasting your time with something you do not care about. I just wish you could be honest with me that you don't care about the methodology I take to approach things and refuse to share your own with someone who, I admit, looks at it from a different approach.
I know we disagree, but I'm not being dishonest about wanting to listen. If someone is willing to step in and defend the literary necessity of Shkanon, please. By all means. Anyone at all. I don't care if you're just playing devil's advocate on it. Make me understand why this work needs this element to advance its point. I don't think, and I could be wrong, that you really care about that aspect of it. You just care that you think you have the answer which is factually correct. Is that really it? If you know the truth now, don't you have further to go with it? There's more to a story than the narrative, isn't there? However, I will continue to talk about my perspective because I do believe it matters, and that colors which theories I am willing to entertain. I don't deny you could be right, since that seems to be the only thing you want to hear from me. But if you are right... well I'm sorry, I wasted my time reading something that isn't really any good. I'll acknowledge you were factually correct when that time comes, but it's not going to be the thing that disappoints me about the revelation. It will be because the work is void of anything to say to me about love, human nature, evil, deception, theatrics, genres, or the role of the author... you know, all those themes that keep coming up in the text. Those questions are still open to you, or to anyone else. Doesn't even have to be Shkanon that you believe in. I'm actually quite interested in people's opinions on the thematic purpose to this story and why their pet theory enhances it.
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2010-07-05, 23:07 | Link #2306 | |
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This culprit has been methodical and careful enough to not have been caught murdering 15ish people, so you are going to take Jessica's 'sharpness' over the killer's brilliance. I think not. Frankly, thinking this way will get us no where because it is a matter of opinion. No matter how much you say it is not, it is.
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2010-07-05, 23:13 | Link #2308 | |
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What is the simplest thing you asked me? If it was that simple why you couldn't make it in the form of a single question?
I'm doing my best to try to give the answer you want but in the sea of questions and points you made I can't see which is that very one you want me to answer the most. from this last post you made maybe I can somehow imagine what it is. But am I really getting it? I'll assume this question is: Quote:
If you can answer these questions I am sure you can also answer it in the case of shkanon. After all the answer would be the same: A story needs some kind of strange and unusual development to be interesting.
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2010-07-05, 23:14 | Link #2309 | |
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We'll agree to disagree though. All I wanted to point out is she has a lot more time than you think to figure it out. Even with school.
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2010-07-05, 23:14 | Link #2310 | |
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In the forest of Rokkenjima, a hidden mansion called Kuwadorian exists. In 1967, in a hidden mansion on Rokkenjima, Beatrice existed as a human. It's very possible that Beatrice's old clothes still existed in Kuwadorian and could be used as a disguise.
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2010-07-05, 23:22 | Link #2312 | |
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2010-07-05, 23:26 | Link #2313 |
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Well, isn't it Suit Beato that appears to Battler? All Sayo would have to do is use some of Jessica's old clothing, which would be nearby, right? The thought of her putting on new clothing next to the corpse of her deceased friend is rather disgusting, though.
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2010-07-05, 23:27 | Link #2314 | |
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2010-07-05, 23:28 | Link #2316 | |
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Though you brought up an interesting point with Maria and Kinzo, I completely forgot about that.
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2010-07-05, 23:29 | Link #2318 | |
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EDIT: oh crap Seagull beat me to it!
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2010-07-05, 23:33 | Link #2319 | |
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2010-07-05, 23:33 | Link #2320 | |
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Rudolf with Asumu and Kyrie. Considering he's been holding on to some secret since EP1, there's a good chance there's going to be some major story impact here, although it's unclear what. Maria's father. Just look at the wonderful family situation caused by Rosa's bitterness over her loss. Beatrice leaving Kinzo behind(?). Also Kinzo loving Beatrice instead of his wife. Just look at how much of a wreck the guy is. And I don't mean after he dies. Battler getting Shannon's hopes up 6 years ago. Several people hypothesize this is Battler's sin, and there's no need to explain how major that is. And finally, we might have Shkanontrice unable to decide between George, Jessica, and Battler. If this is correct, then motive will be impossible to explain without the thematic element of unfaithfulness in love, in which case the concept of furniture and the truth behind Shkanon are central points to the narrative itself. |
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