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2013-02-06, 00:52 | Link #62 | |
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It'd be obnoxious if TOS/TNG had ensemble factions instead of focusing primarily from Star Fleet/The Federation's POV. It's mostly the antagonistic part of not-on-good-terms-with-the-Federation-already-races in conflict with them anyway.
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2013-02-07, 18:33 | Link #63 |
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Star Trek works best when it has a compelling story, or at least a semi-compelling story with a lot of nifty special effects going on.
While the Next Generation had some stories like this, the Original Series had at least as many good stories in its three years. The key for the Original was the character dynamics. It didn't take long for the audiance to care what happened to Kirk, Spock, McCoy, or Scotty. Their relationship with each other was well written. And Kirk and Scott's love of the Enterprise was also well written, to the point were the ship itself is almost a character (to the point where it is sad to see her go). The Next Generation had some of this. The audiance started to care what happened to Worf, Data, Picard, and Riker. The character interactions eventually got better, though the Enterprise-D never quite felt like a character the way the original did, nor did Picard or LaForge have the sort of relationship with it that Kirk and Scott did (that might be because the Enterprise-D was a new ship, while the older vessel was just that, and older starship with many parsecs behind her). This dynamic is what failed a lot of the time in DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise. It took a bit too long to get to the point the audiance actually cared about these people (if they ever got to that point at all). DS9 had the darker tone stories and some are very well written and acted, but the character connection is not quite there for most of the cast until later on (sometimes very later on). Worf and O'brian came in with people caring what happened to him, the it tooks four or five season for me to even care about Bashir, Kira, Odo, or Quark. I'm not sure if I every really cared about what happened to Sisko or Jake. I warmed up to Dax quickly enough though. Oddly it was some of the regular guest stars characters I cared about more. General Martok, later episodes with Nog, and Garrak. I don't think I ever got really attached to anyone on Voyager or Enterprise.
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2013-02-07, 18:43 | Link #64 | |
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2013-03-21, 09:13 | Link #66 |
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They need to stop with the new trailers. Each new trailer, while upping the action-thriller angle, makes the sequel seem like a painfully generic adventure film. We have enough hype already, just calm your ridiculously large man-boobs Paramount and show the trailers you already have (and why the hell isn't this being released with G.I. Joe? What's the point of trailers at the beginning of films if I've already seen them multiple times on my computer/phone before the official trailer has even been shown in theatres?).
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2013-03-21, 11:19 | Link #68 |
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It's not about what I'm expecting the film to be (I have no real expectations for the film beyond the idea that I will have a decent time watching it), it's how they are marketing it that is at fault. The more they market the action, the less it feels like a Star Trek vehicle (even if a sequel to the reformatted Star Trek) and more like any run of the mill Summer release (please no one start a purist Star Trek rant). They seem to be effectively giving us a film sequel where many sequels have gone before (dammit, I guess I do expect better than that). Here's hoping that what they are not showing is just as if not more interesting than what they are showing.
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2013-03-21, 11:35 | Link #69 | |
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2013-03-21, 12:34 | Link #70 |
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Okay, my son and I laughed our heads off at the 'BAAAAAAH!' musical effect in the first trailer. That appears to be required for all trailers in all epic movies any more.
This seems to be put a few more notches in the notion that it's a re-interpretation of the second Classic pilot episode.
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2013-03-21, 13:26 | Link #71 | |
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2013-03-21, 15:36 | Link #73 | |
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I can kinda agree with James on the trailer thing. I think making too many different trailers showing more and more of the film is bad idea. For the most part I try to avoid new trailers or ones that are abit lengthy as they do indeed give away too much of the film. But then I've always quite enjoy such trailers really, which is part of me I don't like I can say tho I am very much looking forward this, even if it's something not entirely Star Trek like I still think it will be a good watch.
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2013-03-21, 16:49 | Link #75 |
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yeah, the whole set up may be different and the justification/motive altered but ... yeah, Gary Mitchell and his blonde cohort Dr. Elizabeth Dehner (originally played by she otherwise remembered as Hot Lips Houlihan from the original movie MASH).
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2013-03-21, 18:07 | Link #76 | |
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That looks more like a Star Wars trailer than a Star Trek one. :\
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I do agree about the character interaction though. Kirk, Spock and McCoy have the classic Freudian trio going on, add Scotty to the mix you'll have a very appealing cast, especially for the big screen. If you compare this with Picard, Riker and Data which relation can described as the father, the perfect son-in-law and the son which is understandably not very appealing. On the other hand Uhura, Sulu and Chekov have nothing to add and can be replaced by anyone or anything and the TOS cast would still be the same. The same cannot be said of the TNG or DS9 cast. I thought Generations felt more like an extended episode.
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2013-03-21, 18:18 | Link #77 |
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Next Generation was setup to have a three tier of the same character at different points in their life/career.
You have the seasoned captain in Picard. He's been out there a while and has gotten a certain hard ass edge to him while also not being quite as young and brash as he once was. You have the young up and coming officer in Commander Riker, who is suppose to be a younger version of Picard in his traits. Still young and brash, but learning. Should be setup to become a great captain one day. And then we have Wesley Crusher. The teenage version of both these men. The intellect and drive to become like Picard, but completely inexperiance in almost everything except what he's studied. The Prodagy Child meant to do great things...someday...when he's older. It didn't quite work out that way. Wes got annoying to most people and the focus of the audiance and the writers shifted to Data and Worf. Data becoming the third man of the group over Wesley and Worf shifting to DS9 eventually to become even more important to the overall picture.
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2013-03-22, 01:08 | Link #78 |
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I actually found DS9 straight out bad, and the series that came after Voyager was so bad that I have actively blocked its name from memory.
Kirk and crew really were the best, and I rate Next Generation and Voyager roughly the same. No, scratch that. There were no main characters I actively despised in Voyager, whereas Next Generation...Will ******* Wheaton. To make it worse, Wheaton has gone on to be a nerd/dork/geek/sci-fi/etc spokesman/idol of sorts, which is like twisting the dagger after we've already been stabbed. As for the new movies...sure, some perfect movie would be fantastic, but if I had to choose between the special effects J.J. Abrams version of Star Trek, or some Star Trek movie that was in the vein of where the franchise had been going for the last 10 years, I'd choose J.J.'s vision in a heartbeat.
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2013-03-22, 02:33 | Link #79 | |
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While I'm sure I'll enjoy it, even if its just a generic pewpew fest (takes a lot to make me hate a movie, unless its by Ewe Bole), have to admit adding Reapers would take things in a hilariously awesome direction. I'd love to see legit cross-over movies some day.
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