2009-03-12, 06:02 | Link #3844 |
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Mh... gotta check back all R2 episodes soon to see with my eyes how much evilness Gino show and how (if) it's counterbalanced with some human compassion. I kinda remember him calming down Anya about unnecessary use of force, but it could easily been a fake memory.
anyway, I agree with the fact that no matter how Gino might be ruthless in the battelfield, he's not the same as that pshycopath of Luciano, and I find the latter way more disturbing. On a general level, I feel there's a bit of confusion between 'racism' and 'nationalism'. It's not the same thing. Some Britannians might come off as racist because the only nation they are shown to deal with are from a different ethnic group - and the majority of them actually are - but this is not the case for everyone. Nina is racist; the random nobleman Lelouch pwns at chess are, the students Suzaku kicks are....Villeta was, but facts proved her wrong =P Leving aside the rest of the student council and Euphie, Lloyd and Cécile are not, altough being nationalists. Guilford is not, too, he praised the value of japanese fighters in the battle of Narita against JLF. S1 Cornelia is a mix of the two, I guess, but Schneizel isn't strictly racist, he approved of Euphie's ideas and organized a marriage between his brother and the chinese empress. He had his politicall convenience, but this is not something that a racist fanatic will bring up. Also, Frosty-dear, you have not given me your opininon on Jeremiah yet, and I'm waiting for it... =) |
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Good call. Jeremiah is a mixed bag, his actions are all based on his sense of loyalty which makes him quite the loon as all his actions would be arbitrary. He is also someone who is close to being an ideal soldier but he's also off his rocker with how his legiances are formed. He's not nearly as bad as Luciano, I'd also actually say that he's a better person/robot than Gino. Even in his darker days back in S1 when he was a purist he didn't look for excuses to kill Elevens, at least not hundreds of thousands of them. His history as a purist and soldier is also more pitiable (as in there is one) unlike the other two knights in blood stained armor. |
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2009-03-12, 07:23 | Link #3847 |
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Orenge was just as bad as any other britannian in season 1
he viewed killing them as fun (to the point of turning down a chance to pilot the lancelot for a chance to have some "fun") and after clovis died he wanted to use it as an excuse to crack down on the elevens in the army and make it so that only britaninas can be part of it (which is why he sets suzaku up to take the fall) he only LATER got some background history becouse he proved so popular at first he was just a racist ass-hole most britannians have been shown in such a way during the first stages of the show thats why suzaku is shown as such a contradictory character in season 1 he is much more "heroic" then lelouch but since the side he is fighting on is shown to be the more "evil" one (a racist occupation army that has no problem killing men women and children) he is basiclly the "hero" of the evil team
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Is it the path of knighthood that makes Jeremiah better than Gino? I don't know, I fail to see the real difference between them, if anything, Jeremiah is also a declared racist and greedy for power in s1. Gino's unawareness doesn't make him less guilty, but, at least for me, not even Jeremiah's loyalty makes his faults less. another question, to everybody now... do you think that Jeremiah deserved to pay/die in the end? |
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2009-03-12, 08:18 | Link #3849 | |||
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His extreme fascism is well enough evidant in his ideas for how to quell an uprising, his racism is underlined in his speach and mannerisms. Quote:
Gino has no shown desire of power because he is a KoR but to have reached that position he would have needed to have a desire for it. You are not just promoted without choice, people desire to rise in the ranks and those at the top are the most fueled by their ambitions. I would say at best they are comparable trash, both being 'evil' men. They aren't really that different in their loyalties but Gino I can argue is easily much more on the extreme. I wouldn't say Jeremiah got a happy ending, despite the wtfery of Anya being with him and at the wedding, he seems to be living in exile. |
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2009-03-13, 06:04 | Link #3850 |
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I have just thought up a theory, and I want your opinion on it
Code Geass R2 is secretly a gag series. After the Time slot change forced them to restart everything the pissed off staff rewrote the entire thing as a comedy, with every dramatic moment being ruined by someone making a comedic face. Look at the scene where C.C gets her code, in a straight dramatic series, the Nun would make a sad face, and C.C's clothes would be covered in blood. In this series the Nun is making a hilariously stupid face http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/ima...ssR2_15_07.jpg, and C.C is naked for no apparent reason. As a dramatic series Code Geass R2 is a huge drop in quality with frequent scenes of unintentional comedy constantly getting in the way of what could be sad scenes. As a comedy, R2 is the equal to South Park, and is probably one of the greatest comedies in anime history. |
2009-03-13, 06:27 | Link #3852 | |
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I mean look this thing is almost a constant in R2, where characters make stupid faces, the tv series version of Lelouch after the FLEIJA destroys most of Tokyo is one as well. |
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2009-03-13, 13:52 | Link #3854 |
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In terms of characters just being there mostly for no reason. Gino, Anya and Kannon take the cake. I guess the point for Gino was to say to an unconscious Kallen that she won the fight(He could said something more meaningful btw). Anya in my opinion was boring for the entire show(Only purpose for her character came in regards to Marianne). Kannon.......no comment.
Seemed like the only existed to satisfy certain fandoms(nothing but fanservice characters). They probably should have developed Gino and Anya together. Since they seemed close but that didn't happened.
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Anya, was the Marinanne-device, so i suppose she had a certain role while Kannon, god, NO COMMENT there, srsly. {squeeee Nina totally out of the alien blue} |
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2009-03-13, 15:10 | Link #3856 | |
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Speaking of which, does anyone actually like Kannon as an character? Just wondering.
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2009-03-13, 15:14 | Link #3857 | |
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I meant it, both ways actually. 8D What character? Was there a chara developed? I just saw a pretty-face-man, with a name "Kannon" Epitome of the fanservice, you have no idea. lol |
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2009-03-13, 16:41 | Link #3858 | |
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I think, if anything, they were originally intended to be evil villains to be beaten by Lelouch, and for the majority of the show that is exactly what they were. Gino is initially bortrayed as nothing short of a warmonger who smiles for genocide, Anya is a cold blooded, emotionless killer, Luciano is a loon, Bismark is a warmachine, and the others had no character depth at all. But, somewhere around Turn 20 that went out the window. Anya and Gino's characters seem to be completely new characters, who's crimes everyone completely ignores. The most ironic of them all is Gino's, though, since by Turn 25 he is back to saying that he wants his fascist regime back in power, rendering any "contemplation" he may have had pointless or... designed to show just how much of a bigot and fascist he himself is. Suffice to say, the only "real" ending Gino or Anya deserved was an execution, but that can be said for quite a few characters. |
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2009-03-13, 16:55 | Link #3860 | |
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And you have to question the point of Gino's talk with Kallen if two episodes later, he goes ahead and says he wants his old empire back. It amounts to "let me think about it, maybe... nope, I am a fascist bigot." |
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