2012-03-21, 14:26 | Link #2541 |
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The more articles on the shitstorm I read, the more I'm convinced that people are just completely missing the point.
The fans are annoyed that the ending is bad, yes. But the bulk of the rage comes from the fact that Bioware lied. They promised to sell us one thing, and then delivered something else, something less than what they advertised. If this was any other product, nobody would be defending Bioware and EA. If Intel sold you a quad-core CPU that runs at 3.5GHz, and you paid for it, received it, and installed it, then later discovered that it was actually a dual-core CPU running at 2.8GHz, nobody would be defending Intel. Especially if Intel was ignoring customer complaints, and all the tech blogs were calling the recipients whiny entitlement whores who should be happy that Intel deigned to create a CPU for them. That they shouldn't complain that the CPU was less than what they expected and purchased--they should just shut up and deal with it, "grow up" and move on. So why does the fact that ME3 is a game make the difference?
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2012-03-21, 15:04 | Link #2542 | |
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Now, you could argue that Bioware intentionally made a shoddy product. Something can be done about that problem. But, if your central argument is merely that you didn't enjoy the game as much as the company promised you would, then you have no real argument (or at least none that could ever result in legal action (which your computer analogy could have)). That being said, you can voice your outrage easily: simply do not buy any more products from the company in question (and sell you current product for cheap online, purposely denying the company further profit). The only way that Bioware will change is if you leave them. |
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2012-03-21, 15:18 | Link #2543 | |
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I'm mad because the game is incomplete. It's missing the ending. What Bioware calls "the ending" is not an ending. It doesn't end. It just stops, as if it was released unfinished. Oh, and I'm already not buying any more of their products. This shitstorm--but more importantly their reactions to it--have convinced me to not spend one more thin dime on anything EA makes, period.
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2012-03-21, 17:51 | Link #2546 |
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Everyone admits that their experience in Mass Effect 3 was magnificent. The game itself did prove to be the best, but like the earlier video on "Why we hate ME3 ending" said. With this upping the price for Mass Effect 3 on quite a large price (as said by TotalBiscuit), alongside the DLC content that has a Prothean comrade in it. Bioware said that they would make an epic conclusion to this trilogy, while at the same time having multiple different endings.
The fact that they broke this is the main reason people are just furious like synaesthetic said. Also on the fact that the ending itself was rushed, while the main game itself wasn't. You could tell it was rushed since they implanted said "God-Child" and made Shepard accept his fate with the endings just being in different colors. Mass Effect 2 atleast had a Renegade/Paragon ending.
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2012-03-21, 19:16 | Link #2548 |
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Perhaps we should go Renegade and convert the Retake movement into a Firesale movement. Once we make an example of BW, I'm sure even EA might feel a twing. If the gaming industry dies because of that... Too bad, it was going to die anyway.
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2012-03-21, 20:23 | Link #2549 | |
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http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/to...index/10056886 I'll copy/paste the post as well, Official Mass Effect Website http://masseffect.com/about/story/ “Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience and outcome.” Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer) http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/02/28/ma...3-mac-walters/ “[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.” Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer) http://business.financialpost.com/20...all-audiences/ “I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are optimal for different people “ Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer) http://www.computerandvideogames.com...issing-in-me2/ “And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as much as we are anyway.” Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer) http://www.360magazine.co.uk/intervi...erent-endings/ “There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any more than that…” Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer) http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...e-people-angry “Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens." “You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people.” “Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you didn't make” Interview with Casey Hudson (Director) http://www.gameinformer.com/b/featur...-effect-3.aspx “For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different based on what you would do in those situations.” Interview with Casey Hudson (Director) http://venturebeat.com/2012/03/02/ca...ans-interview/ “Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.” “Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.” Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?” Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with the fans. We use a lot of feedback.” Interview with Casey Hudson (Director) http://www.gameinformer.com/b/featur...ostPageIndex=2 Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?” Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.” “We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player decide what your story is.” EDIT: Couple more interesting quotes I found, enjoy......or not. Mike Gamble (Associate Producer) http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1027650...n_bioware.html Mass Effect 3 will shake up the player's moral choices more than ever before, even going so far as allowing the Reapers to win the battle for Earth, according to BioWare's community representative Mike Gamble. In an inteview with NowGamer at Gamescom, we asked if BioWare was taking risks with Mass Effect 3's plot, including a negative ending in which the Reapers win. Gamble simply said, "Yes". We asked him again to confirm what he had just said and he said, "Yes". Mike Gamble (Associate Producer) http://www.nowgamer.com/features/122...y_details.html "Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a totally different way of playing" Casey Hudson (Director) http://gamescatalyst.com/2012/03/cas...ctive-stories/ “The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.” Casey Hudson (Director) http://www.computerandvideogames.com...y-good/?page=2 “There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things - it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who plays it.” Ray Muzyka (Co-Founder of Bioware) http://penny-arcade.com/report/edito...ng-a-trilogy-a “I just finished an end to end playthrough, for me the ending was the most satisfying of any game I’ve ever played….the decisions you make in this game are epic,” “The team has been planning for this for years, since the beginning of the Mass Effect franchise. Largely the same team, most of the same leads have worked on this for years and years. They’ve thought about [the ending] for years and years. It’s not something they’ve had to solve in a week or a month even, but over the course of five or ten years.” edit All I can say is lol, they were rushed. |
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2012-03-22, 04:16 | Link #2550 |
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Similar to promises that president candidates make during their election campaign and then do nearly nothing that was promised.
Moving aside the ending discussions. What were your favourite moments in all the trilogy (including DLC)? Mine were: 1) Riding Mako in snow Noveria from ME 1 2)Punching the Shadow Broker in ME 2 DLC 3) Legion conversations maybe some other things but I don't really remember
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2012-03-22, 05:53 | Link #2552 | |
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For me the ME2 characters whose story was integrated with the main story was my favourite, Mordin and Thane in particular was extremely well written which made the ending look like crap. Spoiler for Mordin:
Thane kicking Kai Leng was by fun the most epic combat cutscene in the game and was such a touching death. Terminally Ill drell's kick way too much ass.
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2012-03-22, 10:15 | Link #2554 | |
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Even if they are rushed that doesn't mean they can take back official guarantees of what will be in the game. You can't just falsely advertise and get away with it. You can't say one thing and do another. Like the quotes from Nixl They promised us loads of stuff and in the end skimped on it. Whoever fault it is we as a customer then have the right to ask for our money back. And what do you think happens to ea's profit when mass effect 3 players get refunded... Not even mentioning possible lawsuits. There's no way EA can let this slide. The bad publicity is enough of a problem for them. |
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2012-03-22, 11:29 | Link #2556 |
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What the? Why is Miranda carrying a Krogan?
On that matter I still cannot understand why they couldn't have something like that. Would it have killed ME to have art like that as the epilogue? |
2012-03-22, 15:44 | Link #2559 | |
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While the majority of ME players play default male Shepard, they are also largely made up of people who are not hardcore fans of the series. Thus, they do not produce fanart or fanfiction, nor do they post about ME on forums or talk about it excessively with their friends. A lot of the hardcore fans roll female Shepard, and that's why it seems like she's everywhere. Default male Shepard is the most common choice by a large margin, but it's clear based on fan reaction online that the people choosing to play a default male Shepard are largely the rental type--people playing the game while not being heavily invested in the fandom.
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2012-03-22, 17:45 | Link #2560 |
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FemSheps are pretty much the 'vocal minority' you see on BSN, or the majority of the minority. Don't mind them, as long as they don't actively try and promote FemShep to be far superior to MShep/Sheploo, which has happened on a frequent basis in the past and still does.
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