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2010-03-22, 14:04 | Link #843 | |
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seriously the concept coupled with the art was interesting at first but it's growing to be goddamn boring every minute. It's not helped by the terrible decision of making 12 40-minute episodes each spread over a month, either. Expanding a bit on my opinion of the series, the thing is that it's trying to base itself around character development (so much talk so little action) when there's only one remotely interesting character, Togame. And even she's not that interesting in herself. The hero bloke is as bland as a mentally retarded, son-of-the-jungle character can get. Seriously, if they were trying to pull off witty dialogues or something like that we should have at least got someone remotely interesting (hi Lawrence). The rest of the cast is pointless and even though there are some interesting side-characters (the miko in episode 3) they obviously don't get nearly enough screen time to warrant anything given the "monster of the week" approach of the series. And don't even get me started on the ninjas.
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2010-03-22, 14:35 | Link #844 | |
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And I'm sure that was only episode 2. Anyway, it's only really been three episodes. There's already hint of the rather cold blooded nature of Shichika and Togame's guilt.
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2010-03-22, 15:03 | Link #845 | ||
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2010-03-22, 15:16 | Link #846 | |
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2010-03-22, 15:28 | Link #847 | ||
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2010-03-22, 15:29 | Link #848 | |
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I love this show, but I also agree the show requires one-of-a-kind audience. We who like this show are definitely special just like our mom told us. Conclusion: WanderingKnight is not special. Kidding!
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2010-03-22, 15:32 | Link #849 | |
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2010-03-22, 16:07 | Link #851 | |
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Since you said you found the concept initially interesting: in each of the episodes, despite all the time wasted on fourth-wall 'meta' referencing, at least as much dialogue has been devoted to the peculiarities and attributes of the swords themselves. And that basically is the concept of this series, right? A quest to collect 12 individually interesting swords, all presumably held by equally individually interesting wielders. I honestly can't see how anybody intrigued enough by this series' premise to watch it could find episode 3's dialogue, with so much of it exploring the connection between the 1000 formed Sentou Tsurugi and Meisai's empty-hand Sentouryou fighting style, to be 'boring every minute'. More importantly: given the poignancy of Meisai's death, I can't see how you could really think that this series' opponents are just 'monsters of the month' who are merely stepping stones for the main characters' development. Certainly the writers wouldn't devote so much time crafting Meisai's backstory, and portray her death as the culmination of something like 'fate', if this was truly the case, right? In every episode, I think the side and supporting characters are just as important as the recurring mains themselves. Considering that the original form of each episode was a novel, they almost have to be (while it might be okay for a single anime episode to focus entirely on the development of its main characters, in the case of an entire novel, the antagonists certainly must be enough of an entity in themselves to make the protagonist's triumph over them meaningful, don't you think?). Each episode in and of itself is a complete story; I think that's also enough to make the monthly release rate appropriate. Rather than seeing every release as an 'episode', maybe it would be more appropriate, in the context of other anime series, to see each episode as an 'arc'. That way you might be able to see the antagonist characters with enough weight in and of themselves (as the big bad of an arc, that is), taking the focus off your issues with Shichika, and also alleviating your issues with the release rate (1 month = 4 episodes usually = 1 arc? Seems pretty reasonable to me.). |
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2010-03-22, 16:23 | Link #852 | |
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I'm pretty sure Shichika is meant to be a deconstruction of the typical Raised By Wolves character type. Not played straight as you suggest.
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2010-03-22, 17:12 | Link #853 | |
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But it is, I suppose, about the characters. Not Shichika. Maybe about Togame, long term. Taking it slowly. Mostly, though, it's about the antagonists. Who are those people, holding on to their swords with all they have? What do they hope to accomplish? Maybe that's why the first ninja was so boring. His motivation - money - was so mundane. So lacking in nobility. Quote:
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I don't think he's devoid of compassion. Otherwise, why would he have cared about Togame's sob story at all? But yeah, if someone draws a sword against him, he considers it natural to go against that person with deadly force, too. And really, why wouldn't he? |
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2010-03-22, 18:02 | Link #855 | |
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2010-03-22, 18:08 | Link #856 | |
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WanderingKnight is doing it wrong. If you dislike the main character that much, you drop the show unless you are masochist.
"Jungle boy" isn't that simple and that much of a jungle boy too if you pay attention to what he does and says. Also it is the best show for me, the least boring and the most funny (even funnier than pure comedies like Hanamaru kindergarten and a show of bakas aka class F). Actually the arguably second best show this season - Durararararararararararara bores me to tears literally. So, Katanagatari doesn't even have a real contender =) I do agree that all ninjas are unnecessary eccentric so far. Quote:
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Speaking of Meisai: I disagree with this idea that her death was a 'sad' thing. It was a very significant thing, but I don't feel that it was sad. Meisai herself, towards the end of their fight, was contemplating what she had lived and fought for. She was the one most prepared for her own death, and the consequences it represented. That she was killed by Shichika is something I don't think Meisai would ever regret, so I just find it kinda weird that everyone piles on Togame's words and are regretting it for her. Quote:
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I love their eccentricities, they distinguish the ninjas from random ninja/pirate/"ghost" fodders (but still are fodders ... so far)! |
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