Fate/Grand Order (Mobile RPG)

[Rizare]

Originally Posted by Kanon

I'm only at the beginning of section 2 so I don't know who she is yet. Nice to know her wardrobe is consistent with the lore surrounding her. We all know FGO takes extensive liberties.

And wow, Mash got a new sprite! She had been stuck in the same pose for the 200+ days I've been playing. The VN part being so cheap (no voices, no CGs save for a few exceptions, very little sprites) is probably the game's main weakness.

Early FGO was a thing... the expectation was the game would probably only last until part 1 ended. Whenever there are voice dramas or segments for VAs to voice lines from the game, I can't help but think it's a massive waste for the game to not be voiced.

A quick simple and funny example on how low expectations are, compare how short Valentine scenes for every servant before Valentine 2016 to anyone after that, the difference is very noticeable.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Kanon

Started Salem, the Pseudo-Singularity set in the "most puritan town in North America at the time" and was quickly greeted by a woman in a bikini. Yup, nothing strange there. I actually gave the game the benefit of the doubt and there was actually a reason none of the cast reacted. Still doesn't explain why she's just wearing a bikini though... but that one is probably just FGO being FGO.

I don't remember the specifics, but I'm pretty sure what we see, what's really there, and what the characters see can all be different things...

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Rizare

Early FGO was a thing... the expectation was the game would probably only last until part 1 ended. Whenever there are voice dramas or segments for VAs to voice lines from the game, I can't help but think it's a massive waste for the game to not be voiced.

A quick simple and funny example on how low expectations are, compare how short Valentine scenes for every servant before Valentine 2016 to anyone after that, the difference is very noticeable.

It is definitely a huge shame the game isn't voiced. I don't know if it's a technical limitation like the game being too huge if everything were voiced (I've never played another mobage) or if they're just too cheap to pay seiyuus for so many lines.

At least we had the anime adaptations.

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

I don't remember the specifics, but I'm pretty sure what we see, what's really there, and what the characters see can all be different things...

Yes, that's why I said there was a reason. Everyone's perception was altered. They realized it when they couldn't remember what she looked like.

I finished Salem yesterday and was surprised the ending was so happy, at least for Abby. There are some stuff I didn't understand though, like

Spoiler for Salem:

Sanson refusing to fake his death and outright dying. At the time they said we should trust him and he must have a plan but I have no clue what that accomplished. I probably wasn't paying enough attention, though. I know Salem brought his guilt to the surface, but dying for real didn't seem to have done much good to help everyone else.

Mephistopheles just randomly popping up to say this place really sucks and going kthxbye. Was it even him, or Ritsuka hallucinating?

Now I'll finally be able to find out what happened to Chaldea after their great escape in part 2's prologue. If you recall, I was forced to play the prologue because I had just finished part 1 and there was a rewards campaign for progressing in the main story and Epic of Remnant didn't count.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Kanon

It is definitely a huge shame the game isn't voiced. I don't know if it's a technical limitation like the game being too huge if everything were voiced (I've never played another mobage) or if they're just too cheap to pay seiyuus for so many lines.

At least we had the anime adaptations.



Yes, that's why I said there was a reason. Everyone's perception was altered. They realized it when they couldn't remember what she looked like.

I finished Salem yesterday and was surprised the ending was so happy, at least for Abby. There are some stuff I didn't understand though, like

Spoiler for Salem:

Sanson refusing to fake his death and outright dying. At the time they said we should trust him and he must have a plan but I have no clue what that accomplished. I probably wasn't paying enough attention, though. I know Salem brought his guilt to the surface, but dying for real didn't seem to have done much good to help everyone else.

Mephistopheles just randomly popping up to say this place really sucks and going kthxbye. Was it even him, or Ritsuka hallucinating?

Now I'll finally be able to find out what happened to Chaldea after their great escape in part 2's prologue. If you recall, I was forced to play the prologue because I had just finished part 1 and there was a rewards campaign for progressing in the main story and Epic of Remnant didn't count.

It's pretty rare for gacha games to be voiced for story content, at least in my limited experience. Genshin is, but Genshin is kinda just built different, at least in terms of production values.

FGO was, at least at the start, intended to be just another licensed gacha cashgrab because Nasu and Typemoon thought interest in Fate had run dry. So not a lot went into its original code. As it turns out Fate fans don't run dry ever and Nasu had kind of an emotional breakdown in a message where he thanked players for loving the franchise so much.

This was the point where Camelot was released iirc and the quality (of the writing) took a massive spike upwards that carried through to Solomon. EoR was a bit of mixed bag but still above average quality except for Adventures in Rape Land which I will again proceed to forget exists. Part 2 for the most part held to the higher standard of storytelling set by Camelot and Babylonia.

That said, storytelling aside FGO is still stuck on that same old base code that crashes if too many particle effects fill the screen and adding in more complex mechanics and game modes requires back-flipping through extra hoops on top of just making them in the first place. Iirc adding voicelines to the Valentines chocolate scenes nearly crashed the game lol

It's why you'll occasionally see fans toss around ideas of an FGO 2 that's less a sequel and more a continuation except built on better base code.

[Kanon]

They actually admitted it was intended to be a quick cashgrab? That's pretty bold.
I'd like a FGO2 where gameplay would be similar to Arcade or Extella. As in, actually controlling the servants and not just choosing cards. That would make losing your account and all its servants worth it, which would be the biggest hurdle to clear for a FGO2.

Playing Lostbelt 1 and I realized this is the very first time the companion servant is one Ritsuka actually summoned in the story. Usually it's either a stray servant or a human who would later go on to become a heroic spirit. It's not exactly a big change but I thought it was refreshing. I love the looks of the new mystic code too, Gudako's pose even changed! Yeah, I've been using her since the start because she's cute. When I have the option to play a cute girl, I pick it. It's a no brainer. A shame they went with Gudao for the anime, his design is really bland.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Kanon

They actually admitted it was intended to be a quick cashgrab? That's pretty bold.
I'd like a FGO2 where gameplay would be similar to Arcade or Extella. As in, actually controlling the servants and not just choosing cards. That would make losing your account and all its servants worth it, which would be the biggest hurdle to clear for a FGO2.

Playing Lostbelt 1 and I realized this is the very first time the companion servant is one Ritsuka actually summoned in the story. Usually it's either a stray servant or a human who would later go on to become a heroic spirit. It's not exactly a big change but I thought it was refreshing. I love the looks of the new mystic code too, Gudako's pose even changed! Yeah, I've been using her since the start because she's cute. When I have the option to play a cute girl, I pick it. It's a no brainer. A shame they went with Gudao for the anime, his design is really bland.

They didn't quite use the words "cashgrab", but Nasu's letter to the fanbase pretty much states they thought no one would really care about it at first.

Can't say I found Gudako appealing, but that's probably because I associate her with the Riyo manga. She's the representation of the gremlin mode troll side of the player character while Gudao is the actual story character in my mind

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by XFire

They didn't quite use the words "cashgrab", but Nasu's letter to the fanbase pretty much states they thought no one would really care about it at first.

Can't say I found Gudako appealing, but that's probably because I associate her with the Riyo manga. She's the representation of the gremlin mode troll side of the player character while Gudao is the actual story character in my mind

Her being a gacha addict and troll is part of what I like about her. I always choose the joke answers where there are some. I think you can end up with a pretty different vision of the character depending on how you play.

[larethian]

Originally Posted by Rizare

Early FGO was a thing... the expectation was the game would probably only last until part 1 ended. Whenever there are voice dramas or segments for VAs to voice lines from the game, I can't help but think it's a massive waste for the game to not be voiced.

Originally Posted by Kanon

It is definitely a huge shame the game isn't voiced. I don't know if it's a technical limitation like the game being too huge if everything were voiced (I've never played another mobage) or if they're just too cheap to pay seiyuus for so many lines.

The first BB event had some parts voiced, the prologue iirc and that caught people by surprise and everyone was fangasm'ing about it.

Originally Posted by XFire

It's pretty rare for gacha games to be voiced for story content, at least in my limited experience. Genshin is, but Genshin is kinda just built different, at least in terms of production values.

It's definitely less rare in recent years. Aside from Genshin, quite a few games I've played (or still playing) are either fully voiced, or fully voiced in main story (some of them already dead on or life support, some of them very niched and only in JP). But they are definitely still a small minority.

[Kanon]

The mechanics of the new event are a huge pain. It's very time consuming and requires a large roster if you want to clear it on time. Veteran players will have an easier time than newer ones. I only have 4 servants raised to max ascension in each class. I first optimized things by only bringing one max AOE servant with two at lvl1 and it works fine but later floors apparently have several waves and beefier enemies. I'm tempted to just skip it... especially since I'm in the middle of a Lostbelt.

This shit gives me Persona 3 PTSD, but at least P3 was fun to play.

[XFire]

This is actually my favorite type of event outside of the lottery ones. Most of the floors don't need a maxed out Servant anyway, just a three star with an AOE NP. Save your maxed ones for the event floors.

[Dextro]

I agree with XFire, these are the most enjoyable types of events for me. But I can understand why Kanon is having issues with it since they're at a disadvantage in time compared to us folks who've been playing for years.

One tip I can give is to note the level requirements. For the lower floors, the recommended levels are around the 40/50s. You can probably use some minor characters you don't usually use to clear those lower levels. Also: don't try and fill all the 6 slots. Usually you can get by with just 2 or 3 servants per fight (on the lower levels at least).

[GDB]

Even as a Day 1 player, I hate the tower style event and the ones like... what's it called... Ooku? The one Kama was in. It's just so time consuming (the former for having to make a new party every floor, and the latter for all the 1ap story nodes).

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Dextro

I agree with XFire, these are the most enjoyable types of events for me. But I can understand why Kanon is having issues with it since they're at a disadvantage in time compared to us folks who've been playing for years.

One tip I can give is to note the level requirements. For the lower floors, the recommended levels are around the 40/50s. You can probably use some minor characters you don't usually use to clear those lower levels. Also: don't try and fill all the 6 slots. Usually you can get by with just 2 or 3 servants per fight (on the lower levels at least).

I've been using one strong servants with two level 1 servants. I'd use just one but the game forces you to field three. Even that way, I ran out of compatible AOE servants after 15 floors or so.

And like GDB said, it's super time consuming.

The rewards are good though, so I'll just keep going leisurely without worrying about completing it.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Kanon

I've been using one strong servants with two level 1 servants. I'd use just one but the game forces you to field three. Even that way, I ran out of compatible AOE servants after 15 floors or so.

And like GDB said, it's super time consuming.

The rewards are good though, so I'll just keep going leisurely without worrying about completing it.

There's a total of 200 floors iirc, so even if you only do 15 floors twice a day you'll clear the entire thing easily

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by XFire

There's a total of 200 floors iirc, so even if you only do 15 floors twice a day you'll clear the entire thing easily

Hum, that's actually what I managed for the entire day...

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Kanon

Hum, that's actually what I managed for the entire day...

The refresh time is like six hours at most I think, so you should be able to do it twice a day even if you burn through your whole roster

Also you don't have to just use AOE Servants, the nodes outside events and the....I think the 5th level for every ten? is just one round of two weak guys and a slightly beefier dude. So single target servants can also clean house nearly as quickly (sometimes faster if your AOE can't one-shot the beefy one)

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by XFire

The refresh time is like six hours at most I think, so you should be able to do it twice a day even if you burn through your whole roster

Also you don't have to just use AOE Servants, the nodes outside events and the....I think the 5th level for every ten? is just one round of two weak guys and a slightly beefier dude. So single target servants can also clean house nearly as quickly (sometimes faster if your AOE can't one-shot the beefy one)

That depends on the day, but most the of time I only have time for a quick log in at noon and then another in the evening where I get most stuff done. If not for FGA I would never be able to complete the events... and it's useless here for obvious reasons.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Kanon

That depends on the day, but most the of time I only have time for a quick log in at noon and then another in the evening where I get most stuff done. If not for FGA I would never be able to complete the events... and it's useless here for obvious reasons.

Well, the story ends at either 50 or 100 from what I recall and then the rest is basically bonus points, so you should still be able to make it even with only 15 a day (or even 10 if the later nodes slow you down). You might miss some mats or the last couple of lores, but that should be it.

[Dextro]

Originally Posted by Kanon

I've been using one strong servants with two level 1 servants. I'd use just one but the game forces you to field three. Even that way, I ran out of compatible AOE servants after 15 floors or so.

And like GDB said, it's super time consuming.

The rewards are good though, so I'll just keep going leisurely without worrying about completing it.

Yeah, I forgot to mention that. Just take it leisurely and don't worry about it is my take as well. There's no wellfare servant or anything like that so no point in pushing it

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by XFire

Well, the story ends at either 50 or 100 from what I recall and then the rest is basically bonus points, so you should still be able to make it even with only 15 a day (or even 10 if the later nodes slow you down). You might miss some mats or the last couple of lores, but that should be it.

Good to know.

I was free this afternoon so I ended up playing and the factor that makes it impossible to continue is that you sometimes have several nodes of the same class very close to each other, so I exhaust the servants from the opposite class and then I'm stuck. 15 or so floors seem to be my limit in one go. I'm doing the back alley fights as they unlock though, maybe I shouldn't?

Anyway, even if I had a bigger roster, I would still end up stopping around that point, because I would get exhausted first. I'm finding the entire thing very tedious. It feels like I'm working rather than playing a game...