Final Fantasy 7: Rebirth [Winter 2023] [PS5]

[Tactics]

Originally Posted by Kanon

He was implying it was planned as far back as AC, if not the original release of the game. I'm saying there's no way that's the case.

Original is impossible, but AC actually understandable.

Around time of VII Compilation progress there were ideas to tell stories post-VII AC planned to be using Nanaki and (implied) Genesis to tell story of Lifestream recovery, following Minerva reveal in Crisis Core and Omega excavation in Dirge, that will succeeded to put end to Shinra and make planet green again by epilogue (as shown by Nanaki being the last surviving party member).

I think they decided to ditch their original plan thanks to several issues (still undecided about how to do next-gen, contract with Gackt) but keeping some elements the same (Sephiroth, Nanaki and Aerith have awareness about Lifestream usage).

[Homura7]

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

Well "Rebirth" may also indicate Aerith being reborn into this new timeline which is why she has spotty memories of the original. That would also suggest that the 2nd game will delve more deeply into the concept of having this new timeline.

"Rebirth" refers to the core theme of FFVII: Life. Particularly, the stage after death.

Like how the different incarnations of Jenova we confront through the game represent the life cycle. Jenova's first incarnation was named Jenova:BIRTH. How much you want to bet that in FF7R that incarnation of Jenova will be this time called Jenova:REBIRTH, which will serve as major hint on what's going on in the new story.

People like to call this world of FF7R a new or alternate timeline, but I don't think that's what it is, I think the truth is much simple, much easier to pick up.

So instead of timeline why don't we just simply call it the second cycle. It fits more within the core theme of FFVII. It was also heavily alluded to during the exposition in Cosmo Canyon.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Tactics

contract with Gackt

You need to stop perpetuating this rumor when I already proved this to be false. You did this in the Crisis Core thread too.

https://twitter.com/finalfantasyvii/...47734926852096

https://www.psu.com/news/interview-w...etsuya-nomura/

There were rumours for the longest time that the reason we never saw a remaster or a port of Crisis Core onto console is because of the licensing deal with Gackt. Was there any substance behind this rumour or was it just more of a timing thing due to other projects?

Nomura: To answer the first part of your question, the rumours aren’t true, there was nothing to do with Gackt or a contract that was preventing a remastered version of Crisis Core, as you said this was more due to timing.

There were talks of making this Crisis Core remaster earlier but we were in the middle of developing the Final Fantasy VII Remake. If you play it there were quite a lot of things added from the original Final Fantasy VII.

So we felt it was appropriate to wait till the end of the Final Fantasy VII Remake before working on releasing Crisis Core reunion. On your 2nd question wherever there were any new lines recorded with Gackt. Crisis Core is fully voiced but no new lines recorded by Gackt.

All the lines needed from him were recorded with the original Crisis Core and nothing new was added this time.

[Tactics]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

You need to stop perpetuating this rumor when I already proved this to be false. You did this in the Crisis Core thread too.

https://twitter.com/finalfantasyvii/...47734926852096

https://www.psu.com/news/interview-w...etsuya-nomura/

Nomura mentioned it under [reason we never saw a remaster or a port of Crisis Core onto console]. My point OTOH is [Genesis somehow have zero appearance in FF side-games with detailed faces or voice while Angeal was able to]. Then, on that very same news: [No new lines recorded by Gackt. All the lines needed from him were recorded with the original Crisis Core and nothing new was added this time].

If there's no issue then logically they should be able to call him but they chose not to and confirm CC Remake will just reusing his CC voice library, which means it simply they failed to reach agreement when it comes to further usage of him, which aligned with [Crisis Core is unchanged]. To begin with, I never questioned about his CC presence but outside ones; this only serve as confirmation that agreement with Gackt is strictly to CC, outside from CC they will need extra effort and SE decided its not worth it.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Tactics

If there's no issue then logically they should be able to call him but they chose not to and confirm CC Remake will just reusing his CC voice library, which means it simply they failed to reach agreement when it comes to further usage of him, which aligned with [Crisis Core is unchanged].

No, it does not mean that.

All it means is that they chose not to record more lines for Genesis. Initiating any further negotiations with Gackt to even be able to fail reaching any agreement is only your presumption.

There are plenty of other possibilities, like the majority of Genesis' appearances and dialogue already being voiced in cutscenes in the original, or that they chose not to contact him in the first place.

[Tactics]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Initiating any further negotiations with Gackt to even be able to fail reaching any agreement is only your presumption.

Or that they chose not to contact him in the first place.

If the studio not contacting him then that means no agreement happened in regards to his appearance outside CC. You have to made agreement with VA to begin with; scheduling, revenue, number of appearances, etc. If they resorted to voice library from original CC then that as good as saying their option is limited and have neither a way nor intention to expand it ... despite all the chance during 13+ years after original CC as "planned this for long time".

Considering even Noctis still got some new voice lines to facilitate him in several games until Tatsuhisa Suzuki hiatus, for Genesis short of voiced appearance despite his lore not many explanation other than they're not reaching agreement when it comes to works other than CC until proven otherwise. As simple as that.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Tactics

If the studio not contacting him then that means no agreement happened in regards to his appearance outside CC. You have to made agreement with VA to begin with; scheduling, revenue, number of appearances, etc. If they resorted to voice library from original CC then that as good as saying their option is limited and have neither a way nor intention to expand it ... despite all the chance during 13+ years after original CC as "planned this for long time".

Voice actors are not on a salary or a long-term contract. They get paid by the job, nothing more, nothing less.

There is no such thing as a loose-ended agreement where the actor is supposed to appear in future games. The reason why they are recast is because the directors already have a personal relationship with them, so they ask for the same person again instead of holding an audition. The actor is still paid separately for any other appearances they make.

Reusing voicelines does not mean they tried to get the actor and failed. Nintendo has reused Mario's voice files from Smash Bros Brawl for games all the way to Ultimate despite having no issue getting Charles Martinet back if they wanted to.

Originally Posted by Tactics

Considering even Noctis still got some new voice lines to facilitate him in several games until Tatsuhisa Suzuki hiatus, for Genesis short of voiced appearance despite his lore not many explanation other than they're not reaching agreement when it comes to works other than CC until proven otherwise. As simple as that.

That is not how voice acting jobs work. The sound director for those games needed Noctis dialogue voiced, so they called Tatsuhisa('s agency) and formed a separate agreement for him to voice those games and paid him appropriately for it then.

His role in FF15 does not mean he automatically got paid in advance for his appearances in Dissidia and so on.